| Be interested to see how squad looks at start of next season.... 20:50 - May 10 with 6926 views | itfcjoe |
....feel as though we've retained a few players with intention of still shifting them and that feels a risky strategy with so many players out of contract in this close season if we are anticipating even picking up nominal fees for some.
Squad is still quite bloated already, and if Cook wants to bring in 10 players or so we need to start shifting some players - feels as though that is not an easy task
I make it the below as genuine first teamers:
GK
Holy
Cornell
RB
Vincent Young
Donacien
LB
Kenlock
CB
Woolfenden
Nsiala
Ndaba
CMs
Nolan
Downes
Dozzell
McGavin
AMs
(Edwards)
Lankester
Bishop
El Mizouni
Dobra
FWs
Jackson
Norwood
Drinan
Hawkins
But 21 players who you would say are not going to be in U23s next year, before you consider those who may break through from below there as well i.e. Baggott, Gibbs, Simpson
Could easily lose (or could have done before today in some cases!) a keeper, Donacien, Drinan, Hawkins, Jackson, McGavin, Edwards and not be much worse off.
I hope we don't go into next season with 30 players in the first team squad |  |
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| Be interested to see how squad looks at start of next season.... on 08:44 - May 11 with 1272 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Be interested to see how squad looks at start of next season.... on 08:40 - May 11 by PrideOfTheEast |
Absolutely peanuts which is why it’s odd they didn’t simply move them on and get on with it. It is so important that the first day back at pre-season is a new beginning and, for me, having some of those players present negatively impacts that.
Very surprised and by the decisions. And I know how involved the new regime was which concerns me more. |
We were offered £500k for Jackson in January. £50k for Donacien. Nsiala will be wanted by clubs at this level.
Even if we can get £300-£400k for all three of them - that's a nice little pot to use when starting to settle/partially settle the contracts of those with 1 year left, i.e Hawkins, Cornell etc. |  | | |
| Be interested to see how squad looks at start of next season.... on 08:48 - May 11 with 1248 views | itfcjoe |
| Be interested to see how squad looks at start of next season.... on 08:44 - May 11 by tractorboy1978 |
We were offered £500k for Jackson in January. £50k for Donacien. Nsiala will be wanted by clubs at this level.
Even if we can get £300-£400k for all three of them - that's a nice little pot to use when starting to settle/partially settle the contracts of those with 1 year left, i.e Hawkins, Cornell etc. |
Clubs at this level won't be paying fees this summer in the main, it's usually the case plus there are hundreds of players out of contract.
The only player who may attract a fee is Jackson of £200k-£300k or so as a Championship club may take a cheap punt. Fees like £50k for Donacien would have been to effectively pay his contract up as a nominal fee, it's a very risky move and we are committing to paying these players wages until they do go, and they are likely in the higher end of wages in L1 so won't be easy to shift. | |
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| Be interested to see how squad looks at start of next season.... on 08:51 - May 11 with 1236 views | xrayspecs |
The mood music is that a large number of the players who are under contract are not part of PC plans for next season and will be allowed to leave the club.
It is clear that the club have taken options on players where they believe they can get a fee (Jackson, Donacien and possibly El Mizouni, who is now quite a long way behind Dobra).
I reckon there could be as few as four regular starters in the remaining 21 players (KVY, Wolf, Downes, Dozzell) and 7 (Cornell, Kenlock, Nsiala, Nolan, Bishop, Dobra and Norwood) kept on as cover.
Of those remaining, agree that Holy, Donacien, Drinan, Hawkins, Jackson and McGavin look surplus to requirements and I cannot see Edwards signing a new deal. While it is possible that we keep on one or two of Nbada, Lankaster and EL Mizouni, I would not be surprised to see all three depart.
So somewhere around 10 additions to the squad.
I suspect that PC will seek to bring in the players he wants first before letting those not in his plans to move on. Players can be have their contracts settled at any time and I believe sign elsewhere as free agents.
[EDIT: Lankester and El Miz may be kept on as U23s/loanees given they are U21 by EFL rules next season. Still think we are looking at around 10 new arrivals.] [Post edited 11 May 2021 8:56]
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| Be interested to see how squad looks at start of next season.... on 08:56 - May 11 with 1216 views | gordon |
| Be interested to see how squad looks at start of next season.... on 20:58 - May 10 by homer_123 |
Let's not delude ourselves how difficult a task rebuilding this squad will be.
There seems to be an assumption that our financial situation coupled with so many players out of contract means we should find it easy to attract the right players.
It might not be the case. We could easily find ourselves fighting off many other clubs for the players we want and need. Just because there will be a dearth of players on the market doesn't mean they will be the ones we want.
I hope we don't rue the missed opportunity this year with the absolute non-attempt at getting in the play-offs when Cook arrived. |
Yes, I think it's going to be way, way harder than we're currently realising - just because there'll be loads of dross available for free as squads are trimmed back doesn't mean that the quality players will be any cheaper. |  | | |
| Be interested to see how squad looks at start of next season.... on 08:58 - May 11 with 1199 views | gordon |
| Be interested to see how squad looks at start of next season.... on 22:20 - May 10 by davblue |
Jackson 250k to 500k now if we are lucky.
I don’t see Donacien going for any more than 100k again if we are lucky. |
Can't see why anyone would pay a fee for Donacien, will be lots of equivalent players available for free. | | | |
| Be interested to see how squad looks at start of next season.... on 09:04 - May 11 with 1169 views | gordon |
| Be interested to see how squad looks at start of next season.... on 21:51 - May 10 by PhilTWTD |
I do wonder what money they'd get for some of those taken the options on. |
Given that it's going to be a very busy summer anyway, it seems a bit self-defeating to give the club extra work in trying to get fees for the likes of Jackson, Donacien and Nsiala (and Drinan?).
Would've thought that there wouldn't be much serious interest at all beyond nominal offers until right at the end of the transfer window, when someone might have had a player poached at the last minute and be desperate to sign someone.
They'd then potentially be hanging around during pre-season training as well when we're trying to get the new regime underway etc | | | |
| Be interested to see how squad looks at start of next season.... on 09:09 - May 11 with 1143 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Be interested to see how squad looks at start of next season.... on 08:48 - May 11 by itfcjoe |
Clubs at this level won't be paying fees this summer in the main, it's usually the case plus there are hundreds of players out of contract.
The only player who may attract a fee is Jackson of £200k-£300k or so as a Championship club may take a cheap punt. Fees like £50k for Donacien would have been to effectively pay his contract up as a nominal fee, it's a very risky move and we are committing to paying these players wages until they do go, and they are likely in the higher end of wages in L1 so won't be easy to shift. |
Agree it's risky but they must be confident we aren't going to end up down whether that be selling or worst case finding a club to cover their wages on a loan. I'm just inclined to pay little attention to the decisions made for another couple of months. The squad will look very different come the first week of August I am sure and with a significant number of those on your list not here. | | | |
| Be interested to see how squad looks at start of next season.... on 09:15 - May 11 with 1127 views | MrTown |
Players will still be shifted on.
Some of the them players retained will be due to the fact they could be some of the few who are deemed to have residual value.
Donacien, Jackson were subject to bids in January. Nsiala, Nolan, Hawkins, Holy could also move on. |  |
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| Be interested to see how squad looks at start of next season.... on 09:19 - May 11 with 1111 views | Blue_badge |
This and a few other threads show so many people are wetting their knickers when all they have to do is be patient.
All that happened yesterday was that players with 'Options' available were told yes or no. You may not like the decisions made but tough, have some trust in our manager. I'm happy in all cases where options were refused, where they were taken up I'm variously happy or trusting that Cook has his reasons.
The exits of players still under contract - all the others - need to be negotiated. This takes time and Town won't make public statements until something is agreed with another club or the players themselves. Many of those statements wont come until June, so relax for a while. |  | | |
| Be interested to see how squad looks at start of next season.... on 09:21 - May 11 with 1097 views | gordon |
| Be interested to see how squad looks at start of next season.... on 09:19 - May 11 by Blue_badge |
This and a few other threads show so many people are wetting their knickers when all they have to do is be patient.
All that happened yesterday was that players with 'Options' available were told yes or no. You may not like the decisions made but tough, have some trust in our manager. I'm happy in all cases where options were refused, where they were taken up I'm variously happy or trusting that Cook has his reasons.
The exits of players still under contract - all the others - need to be negotiated. This takes time and Town won't make public statements until something is agreed with another club or the players themselves. Many of those statements wont come until June, so relax for a while. |
Really can't see anyone wetting their knickers apart from you - people are just understandably discussing the pros and cons of the important decisions being made by the club, which is the whole point of this forum. | | | |
| Be interested to see how squad looks at start of next season.... on 09:24 - May 11 with 1089 views | jayessess |
I'm really struggling to work out what the logic is, to be honest.
If we're genuinely keeping all these players, then why all the "huge changes, demolition man, these players are rubbish" stuff? Especially given the expectations it will have built up. Also, having spent weeks and weeks talking about not working with so many players out of contract, unless new contracts are in the pipeline, we've just set ourselves up to have 16 players out of contract in 2022.
If we have put them under contract to realise some transfer value from them, it all seems such a meagre risk/reward return. I'd imagine a year of Jackson's wages is more than we'd get for any of the players we've retained? |  |
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| Be interested to see how squad looks at start of next season.... on 09:25 - May 11 with 1089 views | clive_baker |
A large number of those are either going to be out or they're squad players, depending on what the next few weeks brings. I can't see Ndaba, McGavin, Holy, Donacien, Drinan or Hawkins playing much part in next season. You can possibly add Lankester and Jackson to that list too. Which would beg the question why some of the options were triggered, but I think we'll definitely see a few more out of the door before the season starts. |  |
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| Be interested to see how squad looks at start of next season.... on 09:30 - May 11 with 1063 views | wkj |
| Be interested to see how squad looks at start of next season.... on 08:48 - May 11 by itfcjoe |
Clubs at this level won't be paying fees this summer in the main, it's usually the case plus there are hundreds of players out of contract.
The only player who may attract a fee is Jackson of £200k-£300k or so as a Championship club may take a cheap punt. Fees like £50k for Donacien would have been to effectively pay his contract up as a nominal fee, it's a very risky move and we are committing to paying these players wages until they do go, and they are likely in the higher end of wages in L1 so won't be easy to shift. |
They may not be paying fees, but I bet you they will be a fair number of swaps/exchanges with players.
Also, I can't see how all of those players will be at ITFC next season anyhow - I am sure Cook will want a few out on loan to get an idea for how they press on and develop. |  |
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| Be interested to see how squad looks at start of next season.... on 09:36 - May 11 with 1051 views | MrTown |
| Be interested to see how squad looks at start of next season.... on 09:25 - May 11 by clive_baker |
A large number of those are either going to be out or they're squad players, depending on what the next few weeks brings. I can't see Ndaba, McGavin, Holy, Donacien, Drinan or Hawkins playing much part in next season. You can possibly add Lankester and Jackson to that list too. Which would beg the question why some of the options were triggered, but I think we'll definitely see a few more out of the door before the season starts. |
I think that is a fair point. I agree I can't see Holy, Drinan, Hawkins, Donacien, Ndaba, McGavin being in too many matchday squads, maybe the odd cup games.
Possibility of loans for like of El Mizouni, Dobra, Lankester.
Still more activity to happen throughout the summer, both in and out. | |
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| Be interested to see how squad looks at start of next season.... on 09:38 - May 11 with 1043 views | clive_baker |
| Be interested to see how squad looks at start of next season.... on 09:30 - May 11 by wkj |
They may not be paying fees, but I bet you they will be a fair number of swaps/exchanges with players.
Also, I can't see how all of those players will be at ITFC next season anyhow - I am sure Cook will want a few out on loan to get an idea for how they press on and develop. |
They won't be, I'm sure he'll be looking to bring in 7 or 8 of his own so he'll have to make room for them. I'm not nervous about it, some of these will be very cheap & easy to move on as the summer progresses. It might be a case of Cook having a bit of a look at the likes of McGavin & Ndaba etc and making a call on their futures later, but he's not made a decision to extended these guys, and they will be relatively easy to move on should we wish to do so in a couple of months.
For all of these players we're talking about, the only ones he's really made a contentious call to extend are Nsiala, Bishop, Jackson, Donacien, Drinan IMO. Bishop I think makes sense given we know he can be a player, and perhaps a game changer off the bench. I can't see us being in a position where we're struggling to offload any of those others TBH, as I say even just on loan. | |
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| Be interested to see how squad looks at start of next season.... on 09:41 - May 11 with 1026 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Be interested to see how squad looks at start of next season.... on 09:30 - May 11 by wkj |
They may not be paying fees, but I bet you they will be a fair number of swaps/exchanges with players.
Also, I can't see how all of those players will be at ITFC next season anyhow - I am sure Cook will want a few out on loan to get an idea for how they press on and develop. |
The swaps point is a good one. Don't think there is any doubt Donacien, Nsiala, Jackson will be wanted by other clubs. | | | |
| Be interested to see how squad looks at start of next season.... on 09:46 - May 11 with 1015 views | jayessess |
| Be interested to see how squad looks at start of next season.... on 09:30 - May 11 by wkj |
They may not be paying fees, but I bet you they will be a fair number of swaps/exchanges with players.
Also, I can't see how all of those players will be at ITFC next season anyhow - I am sure Cook will want a few out on loan to get an idea for how they press on and develop. |
Why would you bet that? Exchange transfers are vanishingly rare in football. | |
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| Be interested to see how squad looks at start of next season.... on 09:50 - May 11 with 1008 views | WeWereZombies |
| Be interested to see how squad looks at start of next season.... on 08:51 - May 11 by xrayspecs |
The mood music is that a large number of the players who are under contract are not part of PC plans for next season and will be allowed to leave the club.
It is clear that the club have taken options on players where they believe they can get a fee (Jackson, Donacien and possibly El Mizouni, who is now quite a long way behind Dobra).
I reckon there could be as few as four regular starters in the remaining 21 players (KVY, Wolf, Downes, Dozzell) and 7 (Cornell, Kenlock, Nsiala, Nolan, Bishop, Dobra and Norwood) kept on as cover.
Of those remaining, agree that Holy, Donacien, Drinan, Hawkins, Jackson and McGavin look surplus to requirements and I cannot see Edwards signing a new deal. While it is possible that we keep on one or two of Nbada, Lankaster and EL Mizouni, I would not be surprised to see all three depart.
So somewhere around 10 additions to the squad.
I suspect that PC will seek to bring in the players he wants first before letting those not in his plans to move on. Players can be have their contracts settled at any time and I believe sign elsewhere as free agents.
[EDIT: Lankester and El Miz may be kept on as U23s/loanees given they are U21 by EFL rules next season. Still think we are looking at around 10 new arrivals.] [Post edited 11 May 2021 8:56]
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Yes, that makes sense. If we had the complete clear out that some wanted even expected, then we would be left with a squad full of many gaps that we were desperate to fill in good time for pre-season. Agents and other clubs would have seen this and exploited it to ensure that we paid over the odds for the players that we needed, or even players we were unsure about. As things stand anyone who tries to hold the Club to ransom can be walked away from as we have cover, of a sort... |  |
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| Be interested to see how squad looks at start of next season.... on 10:14 - May 11 with 975 views | monty_radio |
| Be interested to see how squad looks at start of next season.... on 09:24 - May 11 by jayessess |
I'm really struggling to work out what the logic is, to be honest.
If we're genuinely keeping all these players, then why all the "huge changes, demolition man, these players are rubbish" stuff? Especially given the expectations it will have built up. Also, having spent weeks and weeks talking about not working with so many players out of contract, unless new contracts are in the pipeline, we've just set ourselves up to have 16 players out of contract in 2022.
If we have put them under contract to realise some transfer value from them, it all seems such a meagre risk/reward return. I'd imagine a year of Jackson's wages is more than we'd get for any of the players we've retained? |
Most of this underwhelming response to yesterday's "demolition" was premissed on Cook's own utterances. We have learnt already that he talks from the heart without necessarily weighing the consequences - he's said as much himself. Taken on its own terms, it's a reasonable first attempt at slimming the overblown resources, but it certainly seems to indicate that, even given the many weeks still available, producing a lean, hungry squad will not be the doddle Cook at first seemed to say it would be. | |
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| Be interested to see how squad looks at start of next season.... on 10:26 - May 11 with 940 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Be interested to see how squad looks at start of next season.... on 09:30 - May 11 by wkj |
They may not be paying fees, but I bet you they will be a fair number of swaps/exchanges with players.
Also, I can't see how all of those players will be at ITFC next season anyhow - I am sure Cook will want a few out on loan to get an idea for how they press on and develop. |
The only fees dime clubs will be paying is agents fees. Dread to think how much Town will donate to agents. |  |
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| Be interested to see how squad looks at start of next season.... on 10:30 - May 11 with 928 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Be interested to see how squad looks at start of next season.... on 10:14 - May 11 by monty_radio |
Most of this underwhelming response to yesterday's "demolition" was premissed on Cook's own utterances. We have learnt already that he talks from the heart without necessarily weighing the consequences - he's said as much himself. Taken on its own terms, it's a reasonable first attempt at slimming the overblown resources, but it certainly seems to indicate that, even given the many weeks still available, producing a lean, hungry squad will not be the doddle Cook at first seemed to say it would be. |
He’s playing in the FM way, keep what you have in case you don’t end up with better.
OK, if you know what you are doing, but no CTL/ALT/DLT option. | |
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| Be interested to see how squad looks at start of next season.... on 10:58 - May 11 with 884 views | Muncher |
It's not necessarily a question of just generating transfer fees, selling someone like Donacien on for a nominal fee, with a hefty sell on might pay dividends. | | | |
| Be interested to see how squad looks at start of next season.... on 11:01 - May 11 with 870 views | monty_radio |
| Be interested to see how squad looks at start of next season.... on 10:58 - May 11 by Muncher |
It's not necessarily a question of just generating transfer fees, selling someone like Donacien on for a nominal fee, with a hefty sell on might pay dividends. |
Gosh! - that's a step of faith in your consideration of the possible improvement of a 27 yr-old who has just spent a season on loan at Fleetwood. | |
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| Be interested to see how squad looks at start of next season.... on 11:04 - May 11 with 858 views | jayessess |
| Be interested to see how squad looks at start of next season.... on 10:58 - May 11 by Muncher |
It's not necessarily a question of just generating transfer fees, selling someone like Donacien on for a nominal fee, with a hefty sell on might pay dividends. |
What "hefty sell on" is going to transpire for a 27-year-old who is only passably decent in League 1. I'd say it's extremely unlikely he'll ever move a fee again in his entire career? | |
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| Be interested to see how squad looks at start of next season.... on 12:46 - May 11 with 806 views | Muncher |
| Be interested to see how squad looks at start of next season.... on 11:04 - May 11 by jayessess |
What "hefty sell on" is going to transpire for a 27-year-old who is only passably decent in League 1. I'd say it's extremely unlikely he'll ever move a fee again in his entire career? |
Probably unlikely but if you are pretty certain that someone wants him, why not take the opportunity to earn a %? I don't see anyone paying fees for them myself but you never know. | | | |
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