| Our player of the season 09:55 - May 22 with 3092 views | textbackup |
“I think we under-achieved in terms of the fans’ eyes, but if you look at the squad on paper we weren’t really ready to get promoted.”
Underachieved in fans eyes - so Wilson felt the season was ok
That’s one hell of a mentality
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| Our player of the season on 10:06 - May 22 with 2645 views | patrickswell |
It’s a hell of a diplomatic way of saying “Everybody was phoning in it, because to do more was too much effort”.
Also goes to show just how much the hierarchy at the club were working to try and get everybody to accept mid-table in League One as the height of the club’s ambitions. [Post edited 22 May 2021 10:08]
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| Our player of the season on 10:13 - May 22 with 2607 views | floridaboy |
Can see now why the players basically didn't want to know when Cook came in.
Had had it pretty cushy, getting a very safe and objected to Cook coming in and telling them they are unfit and not good enough!
Well done PC IMHO! |  | | |
| Our player of the season on 10:29 - May 22 with 2544 views | bournemouthblue |
| Our player of the season on 10:13 - May 22 by floridaboy |
Can see now why the players basically didn't want to know when Cook came in.
Had had it pretty cushy, getting a very safe and objected to Cook coming in and telling them they are unfit and not good enough!
Well done PC IMHO! |
It's interesting that whilst Hurst was a disaster, he saw something in the squad that worried him fitnesswise
I know Cole Skuse reckoned the Pre-Season under Hurst is hardest one he had ever experienced
When Paul Cook turned up here, he was amazed how unfit the squad was as well
I'm told he had some sort of practice game going on and as punishment afterwards, he made them do laps around the field and told them to do it until he came back, he then didn't reappear. [Post edited 22 May 2021 10:31]
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| Our player of the season on 10:40 - May 22 with 2501 views | pointofblue |
To be honest, creatively he has a point - we weren’t nearly good enough squad wise in the final third of the pitch. And, despite that, we were still one point off the play offs when Cook took over which shows how horrific League One was in 20/21. | |
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| Our player of the season on 10:50 - May 22 with 2473 views | textbackup |
| Our player of the season on 10:29 - May 22 by bournemouthblue |
It's interesting that whilst Hurst was a disaster, he saw something in the squad that worried him fitnesswise
I know Cole Skuse reckoned the Pre-Season under Hurst is hardest one he had ever experienced
When Paul Cook turned up here, he was amazed how unfit the squad was as well
I'm told he had some sort of practice game going on and as punishment afterwards, he made them do laps around the field and told them to do it until he came back, he then didn't reappear. [Post edited 22 May 2021 10:31]
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Was strikers vs defence I think, strikers won 1-0.... and he just left as couldn't face how terrible they were. | |
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| Our player of the season on 10:52 - May 22 with 2459 views | Keno |
| Our player of the season on 10:50 - May 22 by textbackup |
Was strikers vs defence I think, strikers won 1-0.... and he just left as couldn't face how terrible they were. |
yep, but the one was a defensive error leading to an own goal |  |
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| Our player of the season on 13:37 - May 22 with 2279 views | BryanPlug |
| Our player of the season on 10:13 - May 22 by floridaboy |
Can see now why the players basically didn't want to know when Cook came in.
Had had it pretty cushy, getting a very safe and objected to Cook coming in and telling them they are unfit and not good enough!
Well done PC IMHO! |
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| Our player of the season on 13:40 - May 22 with 2272 views | J2BLUE |
It's nonsense. He knows it, we know, the local media know it. It's an answer to satisfy his new employers, not us. |  |
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| Our player of the season on 14:10 - May 22 with 2217 views | BlueBadger |
| Our player of the season on 13:37 - May 22 by BryanPlug |
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You must think an awful lot of Chambers and Skuse if you think they've been the ones setting overall club strategy, running the first team, organising transfers.... |  |
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| Our player of the season on 14:39 - May 22 with 2212 views | itfcjoe |
I really don't get that, because speak to any other player and it's miles different to what they think/thought.
Their frustration was Lambert phoning it in, when they needed more |  |
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| Our player of the season on 14:45 - May 22 with 2167 views | chrismakin |
| Our player of the season on 14:39 - May 22 by itfcjoe |
I really don't get that, because speak to any other player and it's miles different to what they think/thought.
Their frustration was Lambert phoning it in, when they needed more |
Perhaps that was one of the biggest problems. We had a handful believing. A handful who didnt etc
PC mentioned the trust thing which is a massive point. If you've got players going out not believing in their own team winning youre not going to get a positive outcome etc. |  |
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| Our player of the season on 14:45 - May 22 with 2179 views | Vic |
Indeed. Sadly the same mentality came through in Chambers interview. It’s a real problem when the club captain and the POTY both think they’ve been doing ok. I guess that’s the attitude that Cookie identified as needing to be dug out. Still think he could have done it in a better way but it does seem like his diagnosis is right. |  |
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| Our player of the season on 14:49 - May 22 with 2165 views | Vic |
| Our player of the season on 14:39 - May 22 by itfcjoe |
I really don't get that, because speak to any other player and it's miles different to what they think/thought.
Their frustration was Lambert phoning it in, when they needed more |
That’s tantalizing Joe! Can you tell us more?
Why didn’t they pick it up when Cook came in and gave them ‘more’? Did he really wind them up right from the start? | |
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| Our player of the season on 14:49 - May 22 with 2154 views | chrismakin |
| Our player of the season on 14:45 - May 22 by Vic |
Indeed. Sadly the same mentality came through in Chambers interview. It’s a real problem when the club captain and the POTY both think they’ve been doing ok. I guess that’s the attitude that Cookie identified as needing to be dug out. Still think he could have done it in a better way but it does seem like his diagnosis is right. |
I think we saw a frustrated PC
Imagine going into a club 1 point outside playoffs
You have success at the same level with 2 different clubs. On paper you feel you've got playoffs minimum to take the team into.
But then after a month you see how difficult it is to get the side playing positive winning football and no matter what you did with it.. nothing changed and the more mature players you think would step up.. didnt. | |
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| Our player of the season on 15:03 - May 22 with 2141 views | Churchman |
| Our player of the season on 14:45 - May 22 by Vic |
Indeed. Sadly the same mentality came through in Chambers interview. It’s a real problem when the club captain and the POTY both think they’ve been doing ok. I guess that’s the attitude that Cookie identified as needing to be dug out. Still think he could have done it in a better way but it does seem like his diagnosis is right. |
Agreed. It certainly did come through in Chambers interview. Is there an element of ‘I did my bit, it was the other guys’? Ultimately it stems from a culture of mediocrity that’s been going through the club for years.
Watching the Brentford game, it’s striking how much they have been striving to improve on and off the field over the past few years and what they’ve achieved. The contrast with ITFC is stark.
Hopefully that will change going forward and we will see things begin to happen from the beginning of June. |  | | |
| Our player of the season on 15:10 - May 22 with 2122 views | itfcjoe |
| Our player of the season on 14:49 - May 22 by Vic |
That’s tantalizing Joe! Can you tell us more?
Why didn’t they pick it up when Cook came in and gave them ‘more’? Did he really wind them up right from the start? |
Well there was a feeling before Lambert went they were staying in touch in spite of him not because of him.......I can't say I've spoken much to anyuone since Cook came in, but nothing I hear (which is nearly all second hand at the moment) is particularly good with how he has been since he came in | |
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| Our player of the season on 15:14 - May 22 with 2107 views | textbackup |
| Our player of the season on 15:03 - May 22 by Churchman |
Agreed. It certainly did come through in Chambers interview. Is there an element of ‘I did my bit, it was the other guys’? Ultimately it stems from a culture of mediocrity that’s been going through the club for years.
Watching the Brentford game, it’s striking how much they have been striving to improve on and off the field over the past few years and what they’ve achieved. The contrast with ITFC is stark.
Hopefully that will change going forward and we will see things begin to happen from the beginning of June. |
It’s like what PC said, they look for someone else to do it.
They genuinely seem to believe they have one task each per game, without trying anything above and beyond.
I really like Skuse as a bloke and a player, but it really got me when he said ‘I wasn’t brought in to score goals’ - no mate you weren’t, but feeling content at sitting deep, and carrying out one task each match screams mediocre. Strive to want more, want to add 5/6 goals a season, he played weekly, and scored twice in 250 odd games. | |
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| Our player of the season on 15:16 - May 22 with 2099 views | gtsb1966 |
| Our player of the season on 15:10 - May 22 by itfcjoe |
Well there was a feeling before Lambert went they were staying in touch in spite of him not because of him.......I can't say I've spoken much to anyuone since Cook came in, but nothing I hear (which is nearly all second hand at the moment) is particularly good with how he has been since he came in |
You don't like him do you. A lot of your posts seem to suggest that. |  | | |
| Our player of the season on 15:21 - May 22 with 2082 views | textbackup |
| Our player of the season on 15:10 - May 22 by itfcjoe |
Well there was a feeling before Lambert went they were staying in touch in spite of him not because of him.......I can't say I've spoken much to anyuone since Cook came in, but nothing I hear (which is nearly all second hand at the moment) is particularly good with how he has been since he came in |
It’s not going to be good is it, purely because the work dodgers have been called out for it.
I’m sure KD gave a fantastic interview speaking very highly of him. [Post edited 22 May 2021 15:21]
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| Our player of the season on 15:27 - May 22 with 2054 views | gtsb1966 |
| Our player of the season on 15:21 - May 22 by textbackup |
It’s not going to be good is it, purely because the work dodgers have been called out for it.
I’m sure KD gave a fantastic interview speaking very highly of him. [Post edited 22 May 2021 15:21]
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They were my thoughts too. He wasn't brought here to persist with underachievers. I don't go along with the "I've heard this" statements by various people. I'll reserve my judgement on Cook until he has his own team. | | | |
| Our player of the season on 15:45 - May 22 with 2001 views | itfcjoe |
| Our player of the season on 15:16 - May 22 by gtsb1966 |
You don't like him do you. A lot of your posts seem to suggest that. |
I think he's done a poor job so far, in nearly all facets | |
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| Our player of the season on 15:46 - May 22 with 1994 views | textbackup |
| Our player of the season on 15:27 - May 22 by gtsb1966 |
They were my thoughts too. He wasn't brought here to persist with underachievers. I don't go along with the "I've heard this" statements by various people. I'll reserve my judgement on Cook until he has his own team. |
Too right. | |
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| Our player of the season on 15:47 - May 22 with 1995 views | itfcjoe |
| Our player of the season on 15:21 - May 22 by textbackup |
It’s not going to be good is it, purely because the work dodgers have been called out for it.
I’m sure KD gave a fantastic interview speaking very highly of him. [Post edited 22 May 2021 15:21]
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Yep, the Dyer interview gives some hope for what he is doing - do think we have tried to be too clever in taking options on players and trying to shift them - we had a good opportunity to totally revitalise and refresh squad - which I personally think was right thing to do......but we seem to have made that harder for ourselves unnecessarily so. | |
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| Our player of the season on 15:51 - May 22 with 1973 views | gtsb1966 |
| Our player of the season on 15:47 - May 22 by itfcjoe |
Yep, the Dyer interview gives some hope for what he is doing - do think we have tried to be too clever in taking options on players and trying to shift them - we had a good opportunity to totally revitalise and refresh squad - which I personally think was right thing to do......but we seem to have made that harder for ourselves unnecessarily so. |
I 100% agree with you on the options on players issue. I really didn't get that at all. | | | |
| Our player of the season on 15:56 - May 22 with 1958 views | itfcjoe |
| Our player of the season on 15:51 - May 22 by gtsb1966 |
I 100% agree with you on the options on players issue. I really didn't get that at all. |
Had we not done that we’d have 14 or so senior pros, and only pressure to shift a couple out from there - feels like it puts a lot of pressure to get a lot right done. But who knows at what level those decisions were made to keep them | |
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