| Does anyone actually want to come here? 16:33 - May 25 with 6127 views | Lowie |
Serious question.
I have a very bad feeling we're going to end up replacing our mediocre players with those of a similar standard.
I hope I'm wrong. |  | | |  |
| Does anyone actually want to come here? on 21:08 - May 25 with 1143 views | catch74 |
| Does anyone actually want to come here? on 19:50 - May 25 by LeoMuff |
Totally agree, while we might have more cash then previously if we are up against a championship side then the only way we are getting the player is more wages, so we will have to pay champ wages plus 33%, no way we would be doing that.
We will shop for the best league 1, 2 and non league, with some higher league cast offs and that should be plenty to get out of league 1 you would hope. |
Maybe 2 decent loans v 6/7 pretty poor ones. |  |
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| Does anyone actually want to come here? on 21:11 - May 25 with 1133 views | StokieBlue |
| Does anyone actually want to come here? on 19:50 - May 25 by LeoMuff |
Totally agree, while we might have more cash then previously if we are up against a championship side then the only way we are getting the player is more wages, so we will have to pay champ wages plus 33%, no way we would be doing that.
We will shop for the best league 1, 2 and non league, with some higher league cast offs and that should be plenty to get out of league 1 you would hope. |
The 33% can be a promotion bonus if they believe in what the club are trying to do. I believe Phil said they didn't count towards the cap.
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| Does anyone actually want to come here? on 21:54 - May 25 with 1068 views | Lowie |
| Does anyone actually want to come here? on 21:11 - May 25 by StokieBlue |
The 33% can be a promotion bonus if they believe in what the club are trying to do. I believe Phil said they didn't count towards the cap.
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My concern is that the way Cook has acted with regard to voicing his opinions on the players he inherited, means he's set himself up an absolutely colossal challenge to try to get in better players, with better character and attitude than the ones we've got. Truth be told, I doubt many of the current crop would want to play for him anyway. It remains to be seen what interest there is in some of our 'stars' (Dozzell, Wolf, Downes, etc.)...not much I'd imagine, aside from those out of contract. I don't believe that in his heart of hearts that Cook wants any of them. However he may have no choice if we can't get the right people in. In which case, goodness only knows how that will work when he's essentially told them he doesn't want them...
Don't get me wrong - Cook has done totally the right thing. Our players have been mediocre at best and for the past two seasons have been an utter embarrassment. They have also essentially ended the careers of our two previous managers. Cook is no fool and won't even entertain the prospect of a repeat of that.
This rebuilt really is a huge job for Cook. We lack quality in every single area and we've never needed to get a transfer window more right, than we do this one. [Post edited 25 May 2021 21:59]
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| Does anyone actually want to come here? on 22:01 - May 25 with 1034 views | PhilTWTD |
| Does anyone actually want to come here? on 21:11 - May 25 by StokieBlue |
The 33% can be a promotion bonus if they believe in what the club are trying to do. I believe Phil said they didn't count towards the cap.
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I did read that. And I think Town will be doing that sort of thing, I think big wage increases if in the Championship will be part of contracts. |  | | |
| Does anyone actually want to come here? on 22:29 - May 25 with 958 views | Vic |
| Does anyone actually want to come here? on 17:02 - May 25 by clive_baker |
My nervousness with such a broad brush approach to the existing squad was always the extent to which it makes this recruitment harder. Going into the summer needing / wanting 8-10 to add to an existing 6-8 or so is a hard enough task, but it's a lot less challenging and a very different proposition to trying to find a new squad of 16-18, and expecting them to gel. The recent conversations felt a bit OTT to me based on my understanding of them, and for all intents and purposes we now have a former squad that are all but resigned to their fate. I can't help but feel a handful would've been able to add value in the right side, at this level, and take some of the pressure off the recruitment.
It's certainly left us with a lot of work to do in the transfer market. It is early days, and the noises are that we're going after some capable players which is encouraging, but it's one thing sniffing around them and another thing altogether actually getting them in the door.
Lets see what the next couple of months brings. |
Fat fingers - down voted by mistake. Seems a balanced view to me. |  |
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| Does anyone actually want to come here? on 23:19 - May 25 with 887 views | patrickswell |
| Does anyone actually want to come here? on 16:56 - May 25 by BiGDonnie |
Someone should tell him it wasn't that much of a feat and 23 other managers had to pinch themselves too! |
As I posted on that thread, I particularly enjoyed Joe Piggott passing his penalty straight to David Cornell.
As for the nub of the thread, I suspect we may end up with good League 1 players who are either reaching their peak years or who have potential to get better. The question is whether Cook can knit that into a good side in the way that Hurst and Lambert failed to. I must say the standard of performance from most of those that we’ve bought from this league over the last few years makes me a little nervous. |  | | |
| Does anyone actually want to come here? on 02:07 - May 26 with 834 views | pointofblue |
| Does anyone actually want to come here? on 21:54 - May 25 by Lowie |
My concern is that the way Cook has acted with regard to voicing his opinions on the players he inherited, means he's set himself up an absolutely colossal challenge to try to get in better players, with better character and attitude than the ones we've got. Truth be told, I doubt many of the current crop would want to play for him anyway. It remains to be seen what interest there is in some of our 'stars' (Dozzell, Wolf, Downes, etc.)...not much I'd imagine, aside from those out of contract. I don't believe that in his heart of hearts that Cook wants any of them. However he may have no choice if we can't get the right people in. In which case, goodness only knows how that will work when he's essentially told them he doesn't want them...
Don't get me wrong - Cook has done totally the right thing. Our players have been mediocre at best and for the past two seasons have been an utter embarrassment. They have also essentially ended the careers of our two previous managers. Cook is no fool and won't even entertain the prospect of a repeat of that.
This rebuilt really is a huge job for Cook. We lack quality in every single area and we've never needed to get a transfer window more right, than we do this one. [Post edited 25 May 2021 21:59]
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Regarding ending the careers of the previous two managers - I disagree. Hurst failed here, then Scunthorpe, then Grimsby. He could have turned his career around but he didn’t, that’s on him. Lambert was a failure before he got here and his appointment was baffling from the off. | |
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| Does anyone actually want to come here? on 07:14 - May 26 with 762 views | Coastalblue |
I think even if we end up with a squad that is similar in quality, if they're brought in to play a role, well coached and fit then they should get us out of this league anyway.
I don't subscribe to 'best squad in the league' argument, but also feel that motivated, fit and playing to a clear system last season's lot should have been there or thereabouts. |  |
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| Does anyone actually want to come here? on 07:23 - May 26 with 738 views | hype313 |
The seasons not finished.
The window isn't open.
Our new management team doesn't start until 1st June.
I think we all need to just give it a week or two and then see how things start progressing. |  |
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| Does anyone actually want to come here? on 07:36 - May 26 with 714 views | Steve_M |
| Does anyone actually want to come here? on 16:34 - May 25 by itfcjoe |
I think that may be the case - ultimately whatever the vision, or the future of the club, the only way we will attract players here is to pay them more money than they can earn elsewhere.
Coming up against Championship clubs, restrained by SCMP, makes that very difficult - and think we will just have a refresh of squad rather than an upgrade on quality |
It's definitely a risk, just as Hurst tried to make three years of changes in one Summer it seems that Cook wants to do the same thing. It's far too early to put it as bluntly as the OP has but I'm concerned that we are making things unnecessarily hard for ourselves by being so careless with players who are assets.
The general mood still seems to be that all our players are rubbish and we have money and a new manager so everything will be alright. Just like in the Summers of 2009 and 2018. |  |
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| Does anyone actually want to come here? on 08:16 - May 26 with 666 views | Churchman |
| Does anyone actually want to come here? on 07:36 - May 26 by Steve_M |
It's definitely a risk, just as Hurst tried to make three years of changes in one Summer it seems that Cook wants to do the same thing. It's far too early to put it as bluntly as the OP has but I'm concerned that we are making things unnecessarily hard for ourselves by being so careless with players who are assets.
The general mood still seems to be that all our players are rubbish and we have money and a new manager so everything will be alright. Just like in the Summers of 2009 and 2018. |
I understand the comparison with 2009 and 2018, but only time will tell if it’s fair. Cook has successfully done this sort of thing twice before so hopefully will do it again. Tough job though.
As for being ‘careless with players who are assets’, they are not assets if they are unwilling or unable to contribute anything. 2 seasons, 86 games, 11th and 9th finishes in a pathetic League with only a handful of decent performances tells me there isn’t much there.
Hurst was clueless and replaced the team’s best players with poorer standard ones in a club with zero structure. Evans sought cost saving mediocrity. Keane wasted £6m on average at best players in Evans’ make a quick buck period and at no time formed a team with any pattern of play.
I’m hoping our situation is completely different now. Surely we can’t sink too much lower😱 |  | | |
| Does anyone actually want to come here? on 08:44 - May 26 with 633 views | patrickswell |
| Does anyone actually want to come here? on 07:36 - May 26 by Steve_M |
It's definitely a risk, just as Hurst tried to make three years of changes in one Summer it seems that Cook wants to do the same thing. It's far too early to put it as bluntly as the OP has but I'm concerned that we are making things unnecessarily hard for ourselves by being so careless with players who are assets.
The general mood still seems to be that all our players are rubbish and we have money and a new manager so everything will be alright. Just like in the Summers of 2009 and 2018. |
One crucial difference between now and 2009 & 2018, back then it was felt that we were a couple of good signings away away from breaking the top 6 or better. Now, I don’t think I’ve ever seen an ITFC squad regarded with greater derision than the one that has represented us these last couple of seasons.
It’s a risk but even the assets have managed no better that 9th place in League One, it’s hardly the likes of Cantwell and Aarons playing a part in Norwich winning two Championship titles in 3 seasons. | | | |
| Does anyone actually want to come here? on 08:46 - May 26 with 624 views | Steve_M |
| Does anyone actually want to come here? on 08:16 - May 26 by Churchman |
I understand the comparison with 2009 and 2018, but only time will tell if it’s fair. Cook has successfully done this sort of thing twice before so hopefully will do it again. Tough job though.
As for being ‘careless with players who are assets’, they are not assets if they are unwilling or unable to contribute anything. 2 seasons, 86 games, 11th and 9th finishes in a pathetic League with only a handful of decent performances tells me there isn’t much there.
Hurst was clueless and replaced the team’s best players with poorer standard ones in a club with zero structure. Evans sought cost saving mediocrity. Keane wasted £6m on average at best players in Evans’ make a quick buck period and at no time formed a team with any pattern of play.
I’m hoping our situation is completely different now. Surely we can’t sink too much lower😱 |
There's not much risk of us sinking much lower, Cook won't last the season if that remains a possibility.
" they are not assets if they are unwilling or unable to contribute anything"
This is my point though, you're attributing poor team performance to none of those players being good enough or having the right attitude when the greater part of the blame goes to a manager who gave up as soon as he got his new contract. The squad clearly needs a refresh but some of those players are assets as we'll no doubt see when they go elsewhere.
It doesn't say a great deal for Paul Cook's man-management approach that he hasn't been able to get more out of the squad he inherited and doesn't seem to think he can build some of these players up. | |
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