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Cummings 09:49 - May 26 with 5730 viewsHARRY10

Should provide an 'interesting' few hours this morning

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Cummings on 09:51 - May 26 with 3849 viewsPinewoodblue

Live on Sky news and presumably BBC parliament.

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Cummings on 09:51 - May 26 with 3853 viewswkj

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Difficult one for both sides of the political spectrum this..... on 09:55 - May 26 with 3836 viewsBloots

....last year he was the biggest liar in the country according to some, but if he says anything anti the government he'll be telling the truth this time.

According to others he was totally truthful last year, but if he says anything anti the government this time he'll be the biggest liar in the country.

I expect both sides will cherry pick some comments to believe and others to dismiss.

Eventually people will realise that all politicians are liars.

...actually, no they won't.

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Cummings on 09:57 - May 26 with 3821 viewsStokieBlue

I think it's important that whatever he says that he suddenly doesn't become disassociated from all the decisions. He was part of the machine and giving evidence doesn't exonerate one from their involvement.

I get the feeling that is what he is trying to do.

SB
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Cummings on 10:03 - May 26 with 3789 viewsHARRY10

Cummings on 09:57 - May 26 by StokieBlue

I think it's important that whatever he says that he suddenly doesn't become disassociated from all the decisions. He was part of the machine and giving evidence doesn't exonerate one from their involvement.

I get the feeling that is what he is trying to do.

SB


The tactic seems to be one of apologising profusely about all the incompetence.......................that he is about to lay bare

rather putting fat boy in an extremely awkward position

as ultimately the final decision was his
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Cummings on 10:04 - May 26 with 3784 viewsStokieBlue

Cummings on 10:03 - May 26 by HARRY10

The tactic seems to be one of apologising profusely about all the incompetence.......................that he is about to lay bare

rather putting fat boy in an extremely awkward position

as ultimately the final decision was his


The "I was just following orders" excuse isn't acceptable either.

Boris is clearly to blame but some of that blame is also on Cummings and he shouldn't get away with trying to absolve himself of his involvement.

SB
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Cummings on 10:05 - May 26 with 3783 viewsSteve_M

This is probably about right:


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Cummings on 10:11 - May 26 with 3727 viewswkj

Cummings on 10:05 - May 26 by Steve_M

This is probably about right:



Whose lie is it anyway...

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Cummings on 10:54 - May 26 with 3638 viewsgalacticoblue

Amazing the people wanting to believe whatever Cummings says now - when no one in their right mind believed him last year.
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Cummings on 11:44 - May 26 with 3559 viewsHARRY10

Cummings on 10:54 - May 26 by galacticoblue

Amazing the people wanting to believe whatever Cummings says now - when no one in their right mind believed him last year.


eh ?

I think it is quite easy to differentiate what is and isn't a lie in this case

on the simple basis we knew Cummings visited his parents, and then Barnard Castle, and his explanation was deeply flawed, and offered nothing that was in the least bit plausible in defence

whereas what has been shown this morning is easily corroberated, by actions and comments at the time
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Cummings on 11:46 - May 26 with 3548 viewsFoghornGleghorn

Cummings on 10:05 - May 26 by Steve_M

This is probably about right:



The subsequent tweet was the highlight.
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Difficult one for both sides of the political spectrum this..... on 11:54 - May 26 with 3517 viewsnoggin

Difficult one for both sides of the political spectrum this..... on 09:55 - May 26 by Bloots

....last year he was the biggest liar in the country according to some, but if he says anything anti the government he'll be telling the truth this time.

According to others he was totally truthful last year, but if he says anything anti the government this time he'll be the biggest liar in the country.

I expect both sides will cherry pick some comments to believe and others to dismiss.

Eventually people will realise that all politicians are liars.

...actually, no they won't.


"Eventually people will realise that all politicians are liars."

Yet we keep on cheering and asking them to control our lives. Madness, isn't it?

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Cummings on 12:01 - May 26 with 3458 viewsm14_blue

Cummings on 10:03 - May 26 by HARRY10

The tactic seems to be one of apologising profusely about all the incompetence.......................that he is about to lay bare

rather putting fat boy in an extremely awkward position

as ultimately the final decision was his


what part of the thread headed Dominic Cummings escaped you ?
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Cummings on 12:05 - May 26 with 3445 viewsSteve_M

Cummings on 11:46 - May 26 by FoghornGleghorn

The subsequent tweet was the highlight.


Yes, I didn't think Phil would particularly appreciate me posting it.

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Cummings on 12:08 - May 26 with 3437 viewsJ2BLUE

Starmer putting on a masterclass in how to turn attack into defence.

I don't think his monodrone has landed a punch yet, four questions in.

Truly impaired.
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Cummings on 12:15 - May 26 with 3394 viewsHARRY10

Cummings on 12:08 - May 26 by J2BLUE

Starmer putting on a masterclass in how to turn attack into defence.

I don't think his monodrone has landed a punch yet, four questions in.


eh !
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Cummings on 12:17 - May 26 with 3384 viewsJ2BLUE

Cummings on 12:15 - May 26 by HARRY10

eh !


My post was pretty clear. He barely landed a blow.

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Cummings on 12:27 - May 26 with 3352 viewsgiant_stow

Cummings on 11:46 - May 26 by FoghornGleghorn

The subsequent tweet was the highlight.


Thanks for alerting everyone - the man certainly knows how to drop the c bomb (and often!)

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Cummings on 12:32 - May 26 with 3347 viewsHARRY10

Cummings on 12:17 - May 26 by J2BLUE

My post was pretty clear. He barely landed a blow.


Not sure hw you understand PMQs or what was being done here

The point was to calmly expose Johnsons lies and incompetence

Maybe you watched Ian Blackford afterwards - same calm tone

Both knowing they had Johnson on the ropes.... as did he, hence the ranting and raving mode from Johnson
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Cummings on 12:59 - May 26 with 3255 viewsSwansea_Blue

Cummings on 09:51 - May 26 by wkj

Tribal Politics means that the government are bullet proof, no matter how 'juicy' the former godfather of that tribe is with his mud chucking


History shows there's normally a watershed moment when things start to unravel. It won't be a scandal - as you say the are riding those out as things stand. A key trigger used to be when sections of formerly supportive media start to turn, but I'm not sure if that would be significant today now that people are on social media more. God knows what will get the scales to drop from people's eyes this time. Maybe it'll be an internal attack on Johnson from someone like Gove and then they lose their focus point in Johnson. Who knows.

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Cummings on 13:03 - May 26 with 3231 viewssolomon

Cummings on 12:32 - May 26 by HARRY10

Not sure hw you understand PMQs or what was being done here

The point was to calmly expose Johnsons lies and incompetence

Maybe you watched Ian Blackford afterwards - same calm tone

Both knowing they had Johnson on the ropes.... as did he, hence the ranting and raving mode from Johnson


But they won’t or can’t deliver the knockout blow.

We have the Spurs equivalent of an opposition nowadays.
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Cummings on 13:08 - May 26 with 3210 viewsSwansea_Blue

Cummings on 10:54 - May 26 by galacticoblue

Amazing the people wanting to believe whatever Cummings says now - when no one in their right mind believed him last year.


I'm not sure many want to believe him. It's just good theatre between two well known liars. As Harry says, if stuff can be validated against known, proven events then fair enough, but I wouldn't trust Cummings as far as I could throw him.

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Cummings on 13:20 - May 26 with 3161 viewssoupytwist

Cummings on 13:08 - May 26 by Swansea_Blue

I'm not sure many want to believe him. It's just good theatre between two well known liars. As Harry says, if stuff can be validated against known, proven events then fair enough, but I wouldn't trust Cummings as far as I could throw him.


If Cummings is lying, you've got to ask to what end when he says stuff like this:

"I blame myself for many many things in this crisis, but one thing can say completely honestly is: I said repeatedly from Feb/March, if we don't fire [Hancock], we are going to kill people and it's going to be a catastrophe."

and

"I wasn't the only one telling the PM that. The Cabinet sec said directly to the PM: 'PM the British system is not set up to deal with a secretary of state who repeatedly lies in meetings'."

He's clearly got it in for Hancock for whatever reason but he's enthusiastically throwing the PM under the bus as well while sticking up for a civil servant (most of whom he can't abide).
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Cummings on 13:26 - May 26 with 3132 viewsHerbivore

Cummings on 12:59 - May 26 by Swansea_Blue

History shows there's normally a watershed moment when things start to unravel. It won't be a scandal - as you say the are riding those out as things stand. A key trigger used to be when sections of formerly supportive media start to turn, but I'm not sure if that would be significant today now that people are on social media more. God knows what will get the scales to drop from people's eyes this time. Maybe it'll be an internal attack on Johnson from someone like Gove and then they lose their focus point in Johnson. Who knows.


The only thing that will take Johnson down will be one of the various self-serving, duplicitous individuals he's surrounded himself with taking him down. Cummings won't suffice, too discredited and no real power anymore, but if Gove or Sunak decided to make a move that might get him out. We'd then at least get to see whether there's some sort of cult of Boris/cult of Brexit that explains much of the population losing its good sense and moral compass, or whether people genuinely like what the nasty party stands for these days.

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Cummings on 13:27 - May 26 with 3124 viewsJ2BLUE

Cummings on 12:32 - May 26 by HARRY10

Not sure hw you understand PMQs or what was being done here

The point was to calmly expose Johnsons lies and incompetence

Maybe you watched Ian Blackford afterwards - same calm tone

Both knowing they had Johnson on the ropes.... as did he, hence the ranting and raving mode from Johnson


I'm not an idiot.

Let's wait and see how much impact Starmer's approach has. I'm guessing virtually none.

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