| Cummings on 13:31 - May 26 with 1567 views | footers |
| Cummings on 13:26 - May 26 by Herbivore |
The only thing that will take Johnson down will be one of the various self-serving, duplicitous individuals he's surrounded himself with taking him down. Cummings won't suffice, too discredited and no real power anymore, but if Gove or Sunak decided to make a move that might get him out. We'd then at least get to see whether there's some sort of cult of Boris/cult of Brexit that explains much of the population losing its good sense and moral compass, or whether people genuinely like what the nasty party stands for these days. |
What do the Conservatives stand for these days aside from their culture war?
Answers on a postcard, please. |  |
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| Cummings on 13:36 - May 26 with 1552 views | Herbivore |
| Cummings on 13:31 - May 26 by footers |
What do the Conservatives stand for these days aside from their culture war?
Answers on a postcard, please. |
Progressive left wing economic policies according to some on here. |  |
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| Cummings on 13:39 - May 26 with 1531 views | EdwardStone |
| Cummings on 13:31 - May 26 by footers |
What do the Conservatives stand for these days aside from their culture war?
Answers on a postcard, please. |
Answers on the back of a postage stamp acceptable? |  | | |
| Cummings on 13:49 - May 26 with 1495 views | Herbivore |
| Cummings on 13:27 - May 26 by J2BLUE |
I'm not an idiot.
Let's wait and see how much impact Starmer's approach has. I'm guessing virtually none. |
On point 1, agree to disagree. On point 2, do PMQs ever really have an impact on the general public? Hardly anyone even watches or listens to them. | |
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| Cummings on 13:50 - May 26 with 1493 views | factual_blue |
| Cummings on 09:57 - May 26 by StokieBlue |
I think it's important that whatever he says that he suddenly doesn't become disassociated from all the decisions. He was part of the machine and giving evidence doesn't exonerate one from their involvement.
I get the feeling that is what he is trying to do.
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Each of his reply should be answered with 'Yeah, but Barnard Castle'. |  |
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| Cummings on 13:51 - May 26 with 1486 views | footers |
| Cummings on 13:49 - May 26 by Herbivore |
On point 1, agree to disagree. On point 2, do PMQs ever really have an impact on the general public? Hardly anyone even watches or listens to them. |
Well, you do usually get about five, ten seconds of the full exchange on the TV/radio. But that's generally it. It is a very Westminster bubble thing but more people should take an interest in seeing the PM held to account... or at least someone trying to do that. | |
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| Cummings on 13:55 - May 26 with 1465 views | Herbivore |
| Cummings on 13:51 - May 26 by footers |
Well, you do usually get about five, ten seconds of the full exchange on the TV/radio. But that's generally it. It is a very Westminster bubble thing but more people should take an interest in seeing the PM held to account... or at least someone trying to do that. |
PMQs is utterly pointless. The intention I imagine was that it should be a forum to hold the PM to account, but when he doesn't answer any of the questions put to him and happily lies repeatedly without consequence then you have to wonder what is the point? | |
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| Cummings on 13:58 - May 26 with 1456 views | footers |
| Cummings on 13:55 - May 26 by Herbivore |
PMQs is utterly pointless. The intention I imagine was that it should be a forum to hold the PM to account, but when he doesn't answer any of the questions put to him and happily lies repeatedly without consequence then you have to wonder what is the point? |
That is very true. I wish the Speaker could be more robust in actually making him answer the point as intended but then I suppose it becomes an qualitative issue rather than a procedural one. It's a tough one. | |
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| Cummings on 14:08 - May 26 with 1423 views | Herbivore |
| Cummings on 13:58 - May 26 by footers |
That is very true. I wish the Speaker could be more robust in actually making him answer the point as intended but then I suppose it becomes an qualitative issue rather than a procedural one. It's a tough one. |
They should just hook Johnson up to a polygraph and taser him every time he doesn't answer a question. It's the only way he'll learn. | |
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| Difficult one for both sides of the political spectrum this..... on 14:13 - May 26 with 1415 views | bazza |
| Difficult one for both sides of the political spectrum this..... on 09:55 - May 26 by Bloots |
....last year he was the biggest liar in the country according to some, but if he says anything anti the government he'll be telling the truth this time.
According to others he was totally truthful last year, but if he says anything anti the government this time he'll be the biggest liar in the country.
I expect both sides will cherry pick some comments to believe and others to dismiss.
Eventually people will realise that all politicians are liars.
...actually, no they won't. |
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| Cummings on 14:13 - May 26 with 1415 views | eireblue |
| Cummings on 14:08 - May 26 by Herbivore |
They should just hook Johnson up to a polygraph and taser him every time he doesn't answer a question. It's the only way he'll learn. |
Hmmm, I am not convinced he would be conscious for enough time to learn, under such circumstances. |  | | |
| Cummings on 14:18 - May 26 with 1399 views | Herbivore |
| Cummings on 14:13 - May 26 by eireblue |
Hmmm, I am not convinced he would be conscious for enough time to learn, under such circumstances. |
Maybe dial the taser down to 50% power to begin with so that he remains conscious but still gets a nasty jolt. | |
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| Cummings on 14:19 - May 26 with 1385 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Cummings on 11:44 - May 26 by HARRY10 |
eh ?
I think it is quite easy to differentiate what is and isn't a lie in this case
on the simple basis we knew Cummings visited his parents, and then Barnard Castle, and his explanation was deeply flawed, and offered nothing that was in the least bit plausible in defence
whereas what has been shown this morning is easily corroberated, by actions and comments at the time |
Massive LOL if you think Cummings has said anything today other than what he considers best for Dominic Cummings |  |
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| Difficult one for both sides of the political spectrum this..... on 14:21 - May 26 with 1388 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Difficult one for both sides of the political spectrum this..... on 14:13 - May 26 by bazza |
Correct!! |
Nah. There are enough people just on this thread are behaving quite differently to that.
And not all politicians are liars either; I've worked with plenty who weren't (or no more than you or me).
Cummings and Johnson though - yeah, both proven liars for sure. |  |
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| Cummings on 15:27 - May 26 with 1322 views | HARRY10 |
| Cummings on 14:19 - May 26 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Massive LOL if you think Cummings has said anything today other than what he considers best for Dominic Cummings |
errr.... it is an enquiry
whereby questions are put to him - it is not an unchallenged 'my side of the story' speech
much as with the cretinous defence of Johnson being put out
that has because Cummings gave a very questionable explanation of two events last year, any evidence he gives this time should not be regarded as being trustworthy
an idiocy that were it to hold sway, would make any 'supergrass' or Queens evidence trial worthless |  | | |
| Difficult one for both sides of the political spectrum this..... on 15:42 - May 26 with 1296 views | BlueNomad |
| Difficult one for both sides of the political spectrum this..... on 14:21 - May 26 by Swansea_Blue |
Nah. There are enough people just on this thread are behaving quite differently to that.
And not all politicians are liars either; I've worked with plenty who weren't (or no more than you or me).
Cummings and Johnson though - yeah, both proven liars for sure. |
I’m going to wait for Paz to articulate his views on this issue and go with that..... |  | | |
| Difficult one for both sides of the political spectrum this..... on 15:52 - May 26 with 1289 views | eireblue |
| Difficult one for both sides of the political spectrum this..... on 15:42 - May 26 by BlueNomad |
I’m going to wait for Paz to articulate his views on this issue and go with that..... |
Paz is in a slightly tricky position with respect to Johnson.
Paz, and to be fair, others, thought some of Johnson’s remarks were not really that bad.
Johnson has admitted some of his past language was of an “offending” nature.
So before Paz parro....sorry offers a view, he may be cautious.
Imaging defending offensive comments only to find out the the person issuing those comments thinks they were of an offending nature. Bit embarrassing. | | | |
| Cummings on 15:56 - May 26 with 1273 views | galacticoblue |
| Cummings on 11:44 - May 26 by HARRY10 |
eh ?
I think it is quite easy to differentiate what is and isn't a lie in this case
on the simple basis we knew Cummings visited his parents, and then Barnard Castle, and his explanation was deeply flawed, and offered nothing that was in the least bit plausible in defence
whereas what has been shown this morning is easily corroberated, by actions and comments at the time |
It isn´t easy to corroborate how serious to take a lot of his stories. His agenda is to damage potentially incompetent people and it is clearly very personal.
Things I do categorically believe from him - he doesn't like Boris Johnson, Carrie Symonds or Matt Hancock! | | | |
| Difficult one for both sides of the political spectrum this..... on 16:20 - May 26 with 1242 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Difficult one for both sides of the political spectrum this..... on 09:55 - May 26 by Bloots |
....last year he was the biggest liar in the country according to some, but if he says anything anti the government he'll be telling the truth this time.
According to others he was totally truthful last year, but if he says anything anti the government this time he'll be the biggest liar in the country.
I expect both sides will cherry pick some comments to believe and others to dismiss.
Eventually people will realise that all politicians are liars.
...actually, no they won't. |
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| Cummings on 16:41 - May 26 with 1199 views | Darth_Koont |
| Cummings on 13:31 - May 26 by footers |
What do the Conservatives stand for these days aside from their culture war?
Answers on a postcard, please. |
Getting things* done and bitchslapping the bolsheviks and lesbians
*Things mainly covers nasty things, things that are just slogans and things that profit them and their mates. |  |
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| Cummings on 16:44 - May 26 with 1187 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Cummings on 13:31 - May 26 by footers |
What do the Conservatives stand for these days aside from their culture war?
Answers on a postcard, please. |
Their future inclusion in the honours list? | |
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| Cummings on 17:05 - May 26 with 1150 views | factual_blue |
I was struck by the irony of cummings' reporting that boris likes to be surrounded by chaos as then everybody knows that he (i.e. boris) is in charge.
The irony being of course self-styled Churchill clone boris is actually aping Hitler.
No, this isn't Godwin's law at work. | |
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| Cummings on 17:13 - May 26 with 1135 views | Pinewoodblue |
Did we learn anything in six hours, apart from the fact he hates Hancock and that Cummings is really one of the good guys. |  |
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| Cummings on 17:20 - May 26 with 1115 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Cummings on 17:13 - May 26 by Pinewoodblue |
Did we learn anything in six hours, apart from the fact he hates Hancock and that Cummings is really one of the good guys. |
I tuned out, but I very much expect that the whole exercise form Cumming's point of view was to make sure he told everyone he was one of the good guys. He'll be rushing home to retrospectively change his blog, so he can prove how he got it all right back then. | |
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| Cummings on 17:23 - May 26 with 1099 views | Herbivore |
| Cummings on 17:13 - May 26 by Pinewoodblue |
Did we learn anything in six hours, apart from the fact he hates Hancock and that Cummings is really one of the good guys. |
Not really. We knew Johnson wasn't fit to be PM, that Hancock is a feck up, that Number 10 operates in chaos. No new news there really. In normal times some of it might have been shocking, but now it seems we've come to accept that the government is a sh!t show with a shrug of the shoulders. Apparently it's been "priced in" that Johnson and his cabinet aren't fit for office, so all good in the hood. | |
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