| Dozzell, what sort of fee are we looking at? 10:48 - Jun 7 with 5694 views | Smithy |
Of course will be undisclosed as it always is, reckon we will scrape £500k |  |
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| Dozzell, what sort of fee are we looking at? on 16:11 - Jun 7 with 982 views | ChipLimehouse |
Based on ability, the fact he can walk around the pitch for 90 mins without breaking sweat and doing a first rate invisible man impression.
I would suggest we ask for a few tins of paint for the upcoming ground refurbishments [Post edited 7 Jun 2021 16:13]
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| Dozzell, what sort of fee are we looking at? on 16:38 - Jun 7 with 928 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Dozzell, what sort of fee are we looking at? on 14:28 - Jun 7 by MerseyBlue |
I think that's pretty spot on to be honest, if his name wasn't Dozzell I think most would have wanted him gone a long time ago. Countless times I've been excited to see him play and have a positive impact on a game, Countless times I've come away disappointed. Yes the sides he's been in have been largely poor, but I would like to think a quality player would be able to muster up more than a couple of nice passes every so often.
Regardless of if he stays or goes, I wish him well and hope he kicks on next season but I can't see it myself. |
Couple of stops and tackles too as he was asked to play as a defensive midfielder number of times.
Nothing special. Just do some elementary stuff but he isn't even able to do that. Not only needless free-kicks he gives away. Watch that screamer for Swindon at Portman Road too. Twine had a freedom of the pitch to launch a shot he made. Dozzell? Despite close vicinity to Twine he isn't bothered to close him down or try to stop him. He's just jogging.
Hope he leaves us and if he does fine at QPR then so be it. We need better players than him to get out of this league. |  | | |
| Dozzell, what sort of fee are we looking at? on 17:03 - Jun 7 with 904 views | textbackup |
| Dozzell, what sort of fee are we looking at? on 15:28 - Jun 7 by hype313 |
Playing hardball over a player you have essentially transfer listed? doesn't make sense. |
yeah because i'm sure MA wont try bullsht that one a little.
QPR "your manager said they can all go"
MA "that was before I joined... and AD is very much in the clubs long term plans" |  |
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| Dozzell, what sort of fee are we looking at? on 17:17 - Jun 7 with 870 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Dozzell, what sort of fee are we looking at? on 14:28 - Jun 7 by MerseyBlue |
I think that's pretty spot on to be honest, if his name wasn't Dozzell I think most would have wanted him gone a long time ago. Countless times I've been excited to see him play and have a positive impact on a game, Countless times I've come away disappointed. Yes the sides he's been in have been largely poor, but I would like to think a quality player would be able to muster up more than a couple of nice passes every so often.
Regardless of if he stays or goes, I wish him well and hope he kicks on next season but I can't see it myself. |
All this rehashed nonsense about him getting different treatment due to his last name is lazy over simplification |  | | |
| Dozzell, what sort of fee are we looking at? on 17:40 - Jun 7 with 832 views | jayessess |
| Dozzell, what sort of fee are we looking at? on 17:17 - Jun 7 by reusersfreekicks |
All this rehashed nonsense about him getting different treatment due to his last name is lazy over simplification |
Is there anyone at the club that gets a harder ride off supporters than Dozzell? There's 20 threads digging him out for every 1 aimed at Teddy Bishop, despite Bish being more senior and arguably having a worse season. |  |
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| Dozzell, what sort of fee are we looking at? on 17:43 - Jun 7 with 824 views | chrismakin |
| Dozzell, what sort of fee are we looking at? on 17:40 - Jun 7 by jayessess |
Is there anyone at the club that gets a harder ride off supporters than Dozzell? There's 20 threads digging him out for every 1 aimed at Teddy Bishop, despite Bish being more senior and arguably having a worse season. |
I think the general consensus is Bishop isn't good enough and there aren't too many who hold a different view on that front
Dozzell spits opinion more than any other player imo. |  |
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| Dozzell, what sort of fee are we looking at? on 17:59 - Jun 7 with 796 views | chicoazul |
| Dozzell, what sort of fee are we looking at? on 17:40 - Jun 7 by jayessess |
Is there anyone at the club that gets a harder ride off supporters than Dozzell? There's 20 threads digging him out for every 1 aimed at Teddy Bishop, despite Bish being more senior and arguably having a worse season. |
It’s almost as if….as if…..hhmmmm |  |
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| Dozzell, what sort of fee are we looking at? on 18:02 - Jun 7 with 781 views | WD19 |
| Dozzell, what sort of fee are we looking at? on 17:59 - Jun 7 by chicoazul |
It’s almost as if….as if…..hhmmmm |
As if he gets lumped in the same bucket as Skuse!? |  | | |
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| Dozzell, what sort of fee are we looking at? on 18:02 - Jun 7 with 786 views | MerseyBlue |
| Dozzell, what sort of fee are we looking at? on 17:17 - Jun 7 by reusersfreekicks |
All this rehashed nonsense about him getting different treatment due to his last name is lazy over simplification |
So what has he done to warrant a place in the side? He doesn't create, he doesn't control, he doesn't move with any purpose. All he has really ever delivered was a goal against Leeds in a meaningless game at the end of a crap season, and a couple of nice passes every now and then. What does he offer? |  |
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| Dozzell, what sort of fee are we looking at? on 18:07 - Jun 7 with 777 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Dozzell, what sort of fee are we looking at? on 18:02 - Jun 7 by MerseyBlue |
So what has he done to warrant a place in the side? He doesn't create, he doesn't control, he doesn't move with any purpose. All he has really ever delivered was a goal against Leeds in a meaningless game at the end of a crap season, and a couple of nice passes every now and then. What does he offer? |
My mistake, on that logic the whole of the team that underperformed last year are related to former players. A real eye opener | | | |
| Dozzell, what sort of fee are we looking at? on 18:07 - Jun 7 with 775 views | chicoazul |
| Dozzell, what sort of fee are we looking at? on 18:02 - Jun 7 by WD19 |
As if he gets lumped in the same bucket as Skuse!? |
I just think it’s depressingly familiar to see a young black Ipswich player getting OTT abuse off the fans yet again as opposed to blonde haired blue eyed boy Bishop for eg. | |
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| Dozzell, what sort of fee are we looking at? on 18:13 - Jun 7 with 770 views | jayessess |
| Dozzell, what sort of fee are we looking at? on 17:43 - Jun 7 by chrismakin |
I think the general consensus is Bishop isn't good enough and there aren't too many who hold a different view on that front
Dozzell spits opinion more than any other player imo. |
I don't think I've ever seen Bishop being described in the vitriolic terms that people go after Dozzell with. | |
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| Dozzell, what sort of fee are we looking at? on 18:27 - Jun 7 with 760 views | MerseyBlue |
| Dozzell, what sort of fee are we looking at? on 18:07 - Jun 7 by reusersfreekicks |
My mistake, on that logic the whole of the team that underperformed last year are related to former players. A real eye opener |
He's played 93 times for us mate, it's not just about last season. You haven't said anything positive about him, you're just upset with my point of view. Like I said in my original comment, I'd like to see him kick on next year but I've got no reason to believe he will. What reason do you have? | |
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| Dozzell, what sort of fee are we looking at? on 18:37 - Jun 7 with 726 views | monty_radio |
I think the "name" thing is not that big a deal given that the majority of posters here will certainly not have witnessed his Dad's whole career here, and many will not have seen him at all. The attachment and corresponding disappointment seems to me much more of a "but he's one of our own" variety. |  |
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| Dozzell, what sort of fee are we looking at? on 18:40 - Jun 7 with 715 views | Steve_M |
| Dozzell, what sort of fee are we looking at? on 18:07 - Jun 7 by chicoazul |
I just think it’s depressingly familiar to see a young black Ipswich player getting OTT abuse off the fans yet again as opposed to blonde haired blue eyed boy Bishop for eg. |
Point of order Chico, Bishop is a ginge. |  |
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| Dozzell, what sort of fee are we looking at? on 18:46 - Jun 7 with 707 views | jayessess |
| Dozzell, what sort of fee are we looking at? on 18:39 - Jun 7 by chrismakin |
Where is that from Jayes, is there one for Bish and downes etc? |
Cropped up on one of stats/scouting Twitter accounts when he was first linked with Brentford:
The original data is from wyscout, which is a paid for data analysis thing aimed at pro scouts, I believe? | |
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| Dozzell, what sort of fee are we looking at? on 18:48 - Jun 7 with 695 views | chrismakin |
| Dozzell, what sort of fee are we looking at? on 18:46 - Jun 7 by jayessess |
Cropped up on one of stats/scouting Twitter accounts when he was first linked with Brentford:
The original data is from wyscout, which is a paid for data analysis thing aimed at pro scouts, I believe? |
Cheers, I don't mind Andre, of the 3 i'd rather have Downes and Andre over Bish, or Dozzel over Downes now that we have Evans. | |
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| Dozzell, what sort of fee are we looking at? on 18:53 - Jun 7 with 680 views | MerseyBlue |
| Dozzell, what sort of fee are we looking at? on 18:33 - Jun 7 by jayessess |
You asked why he warranted being in the team. The short answer is: he was better than the available alternatives. Three managers picked him for that reason, none of them gave a toss who his dad is.
As to what his qualities are. Well, it's all subjective, isn't it? But here's what the stats people reckon he's good and bad at.
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I did also make that point earlier on - the lack of competition for places is definitelya factor as to why he has played so much, and could be why he hasn't particularly delivered on his 93 opportunities to impress.
You are also of course right that three managers have picked him, although that's not much of a ringing endorsement when you consider that two of those managers are Paul Hurst and Paul Lambert. Nonetheless, you are right that they weren't picking him because of who his dad is. I never said they were.
What I said was that Town fans have given him more of a chance than he might have got otherwise. I can't prove that but I can say he has been pretty mediocre at best (admittedly in a poor side).
Those stats are actually quite interesting, and they do show that he has some ability. Again, I haven't said anything to the contrary. What I have said is that he doesn't offer enough. He's below average for key passes and and passes into the penalty area, but his percentages are above average. What does that tell you? Well it could be that the team around him aren't making any decent runs into space, but equally, it could be that far too often, he takes the safe option. I would say it's a combination of both because as the data suggests, he is above average when it comes to progressive passes and passes to the final third.
A contributing factor to the data is certainly the standard of the team around him, and the position he was played in under Lambert which as the stats suggest, were not beneficial to his game. Still though, those stats aren't electric are they? There's a couple more measure above average, but is above average good enough for us to go up? Would he not need to be more consistently and firmly above average more across the board to represent a real presence?
Obviously the stats are useful, but they don't tell the full story. Those stats certainly aren't conclusive one way or another. Which is why we're having this debate - there are some qualities that Dozzell has that make you think you have something special, but then there's the experience of watching him week-in week-out which tells you otherwise.
As I said at the start, if he stays here next season, like any of the players we have kept on, I really hope he kicks on because we need him to. If he goes, I won't lose any sleep over it, but I will still be hoping he kicks on for the sake of his career. | |
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| Dozzell, what sort of fee are we looking at? on 18:54 - Jun 7 with 679 views | jayessess |
| Dozzell, what sort of fee are we looking at? on 18:48 - Jun 7 by chrismakin |
Cheers, I don't mind Andre, of the 3 i'd rather have Downes and Andre over Bish, or Dozzel over Downes now that we have Evans. |
Because I'm obtuse, the more grief he gets the more I like him!
I think Downes will still be here actually (no one will pay our asking price), but Dozzell and Bish are as good as gone. | |
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| Dozzell, what sort of fee are we looking at? on 19:52 - Jun 7 with 631 views | BryanPlug |
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| Dozzell, what sort of fee are we looking at? on 20:01 - Jun 7 with 612 views | xrayspecs |
| Dozzell, what sort of fee are we looking at? on 19:52 - Jun 7 by BryanPlug |
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Not sure that is fair. Evans got good fees for upwardly mobile players - Cresswell, Mings, Waghorn - and turned down big money for the likes of McGoldrick when it would have been quite easy to sell. | | | |
| Dozzell, what sort of fee are we looking at? on 00:22 - Jun 8 with 522 views | marcus1642 |
Wouldn't sell him at this juncture, as I think with a decent pre-season under Cook Dozza will kick on a bit. Has made a good recovery after a nasty injury and no player covered themselves in glory last season. However, a bid of 1.5m or above would be enough to see him move on. |  | | |
| Dozzell, what sort of fee are we looking at? on 07:31 - Jun 8 with 470 views | BlueBlood90 |
If we were to get £500k and a 20-25% sell on fee then I don’t think we’d have too many complaints.
He’s got potential but he’s 22 years old and done barely anything to live up to the potential so I wouldn’t be very sad to see him leave.
It could be one of those situations where he’d personally be better off getting out of his comfort zone in the same way Jack Marriott did. |  |
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