| Electric car advice 13:09 - Jul 2 with 7792 views | Lord_Lucan |
Anyone know much about these?
I want to get one but must be pure electric, not hybrid.
I need an SUV type because I can't drive too low down, it winds me up. Trouble is the Range Rover or larger premium types prices are through the roof!
I've looked for a week now and the more I look the more confused I get, is there a mid range type like a Hyundai Santa Fe sort of thing available?
Or........Is it worth waiting for something new to be launched, anything imminent? - and how out of date will a current model be in 4 years time?
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| Electric car advice on 00:10 - Jul 3 with 2413 views | wkj |
I am currently in the process of getting a Mokka-e which is close to SUV style, but quite low to the ground - perfect for accessibility concerns.
The key to EV ownership is charging. I am switching to a tariff with a company called Octopus. Octopus Go offers a 25p/day standing charge with a 15.96p / kWh rate. With the added bonus that 00:30 - 04:30am is 5p / kWh. So having a scheduled charging plan in place will be ideal.
Range is about 208 miles in perfect conditions and driving - but let's be honest, that will be about 150miles in real terms.
The key to charging out on about is planning your charges from low to 50% as the DC charging is much faster in the first 50% than it is the last 50% - so short, frequent stops on a speedy charge is less time forking about than trying to charge to full in most cases.
The mass-market tipping point is almost there for range and cost, though the problem remains around charging. The charging times are still a ways off of the mass market tipping point.
For the heavier SUVs, your max range will be something key to look at. The closest to a non-hybrid SUV that Vauxhall offers is the Combo-e (closer to people carrier than SUV) with 174m range (probably about 120miles in real terms)
https://www.vauxhall.co.uk/cars/combo-life/electric.html
The mokka-e (I have driven the non electric mokka) was excellent. While the thing isn't technically an SUV, it looks and drives like one. This may be a bit low down for you, but it is my pick for this scenario
https://www.vauxhall.co.uk/cars/new-mokka/Electric.html
The closest thing I would recommend to a true SUV is the Volvo XC40 P8 Recharge.
It claims 259mile range (b*llocks, 160-170miles is my estimate), about 45minutes to reach 80% fast charge and is nippy at 0-60 in about 4.5seconds. It also looks sexy as fook.
https://www.volvocars.com/uk/v/cars/xc40-electric |  |
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| Electric car advice on 07:58 - Jul 3 with 2353 views | solomon |
| Electric car advice on 15:33 - Jul 2 by ElephantintheRoom |
As someone not remotely interested in electric cars I am quite interested in all this 'free' electricty that they use. Why, in an era where we are being urged to cut our electricity consumption to save the planet (because our less than 1% contribution to the end of the earth is oh so important) does all this free electricity come from. Last time I looked we are fast running out of electricty to keep the grid running when England score a second goal against Germany - let along a few million electric cars wheezing between charging points |
Think you’ll find it’s more about how our electricity is generated rather than the amount. Clean electricity powering cleaner to the environment EV cars is the obvious goal here.
We are on the right path, just takes a bit of time. |  | | |
| Electric car advice on 08:31 - Jul 3 with 2341 views | unstableblue |
Just did some research ahead of a car change.
Decided 2-3 year of more petrol, primarily due to range, charging network, towing.
May change mrs unstable to a small pure electric in the interim, where the market has some good options where range is less of an issue, Fiat 500, Mini… some of the ranges in this class can be very low.
As for your SUV desire there is a lot coming out right now. But at present the Tesla Model 3 and incoming Y (more akin to your suv need) are still ahead of the game… charging network, range, autopilot, electric by design.
The ones to watch now are the Audi etron q4, Nissan ariya, Hyundai ioniq… the q4 smoothes some of the edges of some of the other VW Eva on that electric first platform
I’d avoid evs that are on a joint ev and petrol architecture
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| Electric car advice on 08:39 - Jul 3 with 2337 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
What is available in the £500 to £1000 bracket on the second hand market....asking for a friend. |  |
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| Electric car advice on 08:46 - Jul 3 with 2325 views | solomon |
| Electric car advice on 08:39 - Jul 3 by BanksterDebtSlave |
What is available in the £500 to £1000 bracket on the second hand market....asking for a friend. |
Plenty. It’s just conventional petrol or diesel. Too many people are in a head spin regarding the ban on new petrol or diesel cars from 2030. It’s not as if your car won’t work from jan 1st on that date, they’ll be around for a while after that by that time there will be plenty of used EVs. | | | |
| Electric car advice on 09:25 - Jul 3 with 2302 views | Bluefish |
| Electric car advice on 08:39 - Jul 3 by BanksterDebtSlave |
What is available in the £500 to £1000 bracket on the second hand market....asking for a friend. |
Terrible time to buy a used car. Market is hugely over inflated and will get worse due to the semiconductor shortage |  |
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| Electric car advice on 09:29 - Jul 3 with 2305 views | Deano69 |
BMW iX3
VW ID 4
Skoda Enyaq.
Not sure on delivery times though. |  |
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| Electric car advice on 11:20 - Jul 3 with 2288 views | fergalsharkey |
Cant go wrong with any of the Beemers m8. |  |
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| Electric car advice on 11:24 - Jul 3 with 2288 views | JamestownPrince |
| Electric car advice on 13:49 - Jul 2 by BloomBlue |
I do know 3 people who drive daily (Well almost daily) around the country because of their job and have all in their time had electric cars and all say the same tesla or nothing. That's purely because the Tesla charging network is far superior to all the other networks. They said they got fed-up with their software telling them a charger was free at xyz and it wasn't, or it told them there was a fast charger and there was an issue and the fast charging wasn't available, whereas the Tesla software was spot-on every time
Which magazine have done a great document on Electric cars, one of the big problems seems to be different connectors are required for different public charges. A lot of people get caught out with plugging into a public fast changer when their car doesn't accept a fast charge but the cost from the charge is still at the fast charge rate |
The problem is when they went to charge their cars, The rather lovely Tesla girls wouldn't charge the cars for them as they were busy watching TV. |  | | |
| Electric car advice on 11:38 - Jul 3 with 2278 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| Electric car advice on 08:46 - Jul 3 by solomon |
Plenty. It’s just conventional petrol or diesel. Too many people are in a head spin regarding the ban on new petrol or diesel cars from 2030. It’s not as if your car won’t work from jan 1st on that date, they’ll be around for a while after that by that time there will be plenty of used EVs. |
I think you'll find it will go a bit beyond that.
There are more horses in Britain now than at any time in history. You dont see them towing barges or hay wagons - people ride them for fun and own them for status symbols.
Cars will be the same. They will become objects of leisure, collected as works of art and design - and appreciated for the enjoyment and practicality they represent.
Electric cars are as dull as dishwater - and always will be. They are also very dangerous - just like bullets you never hear the one that kills you.
The other stark reality of your post is the second hand market. I cant see teenagers lowering the suspension of their electric novas, nor outdated technology and near unsuable batteries having much second hand appeal - whereas most diesels are good for 150,000 miles.
Electric cars at present are for Waitrose shoppers and people in towns and cities that have never heard of Australia, USA, China and India and think their self indulgence makes a difference. Than goodness for the red wall - I dont think they will continue to vote for liars if they are made to have electric cars | |
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| Electric car advice on 11:41 - Jul 3 with 2265 views | Bluefish |
| Electric car advice on 11:38 - Jul 3 by ElephantintheRoom |
I think you'll find it will go a bit beyond that.
There are more horses in Britain now than at any time in history. You dont see them towing barges or hay wagons - people ride them for fun and own them for status symbols.
Cars will be the same. They will become objects of leisure, collected as works of art and design - and appreciated for the enjoyment and practicality they represent.
Electric cars are as dull as dishwater - and always will be. They are also very dangerous - just like bullets you never hear the one that kills you.
The other stark reality of your post is the second hand market. I cant see teenagers lowering the suspension of their electric novas, nor outdated technology and near unsuable batteries having much second hand appeal - whereas most diesels are good for 150,000 miles.
Electric cars at present are for Waitrose shoppers and people in towns and cities that have never heard of Australia, USA, China and India and think their self indulgence makes a difference. Than goodness for the red wall - I dont think they will continue to vote for liars if they are made to have electric cars |
Lol at this lot
Which ones have you driven? | |
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| Electric car advice on 11:42 - Jul 3 with 2272 views | wkj |
| Electric car advice on 11:38 - Jul 3 by ElephantintheRoom |
I think you'll find it will go a bit beyond that.
There are more horses in Britain now than at any time in history. You dont see them towing barges or hay wagons - people ride them for fun and own them for status symbols.
Cars will be the same. They will become objects of leisure, collected as works of art and design - and appreciated for the enjoyment and practicality they represent.
Electric cars are as dull as dishwater - and always will be. They are also very dangerous - just like bullets you never hear the one that kills you.
The other stark reality of your post is the second hand market. I cant see teenagers lowering the suspension of their electric novas, nor outdated technology and near unsuable batteries having much second hand appeal - whereas most diesels are good for 150,000 miles.
Electric cars at present are for Waitrose shoppers and people in towns and cities that have never heard of Australia, USA, China and India and think their self indulgence makes a difference. Than goodness for the red wall - I dont think they will continue to vote for liars if they are made to have electric cars |
Self-indulgence? More like Self preservation - £30 per month running cost vs £140 for petrol - lovely stuff.
Source: I have them in the fleet | |
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| Electric car advice on 13:42 - Jul 3 with 2249 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Electric car advice on 11:38 - Jul 3 by ElephantintheRoom |
I think you'll find it will go a bit beyond that.
There are more horses in Britain now than at any time in history. You dont see them towing barges or hay wagons - people ride them for fun and own them for status symbols.
Cars will be the same. They will become objects of leisure, collected as works of art and design - and appreciated for the enjoyment and practicality they represent.
Electric cars are as dull as dishwater - and always will be. They are also very dangerous - just like bullets you never hear the one that kills you.
The other stark reality of your post is the second hand market. I cant see teenagers lowering the suspension of their electric novas, nor outdated technology and near unsuable batteries having much second hand appeal - whereas most diesels are good for 150,000 miles.
Electric cars at present are for Waitrose shoppers and people in towns and cities that have never heard of Australia, USA, China and India and think their self indulgence makes a difference. Than goodness for the red wall - I dont think they will continue to vote for liars if they are made to have electric cars |
I think your earlier post didn't get the recognition it deserved.
I want to go green but I'm not sure electric cars are the answer. The disaffected won't look at the long term issues but I cannot at this time see how we can get rid of all the millions and millions of batteries.
I was out for a meal with my Farage loving Essex car dealer mate last night and he thinks electric cars will be short lived.
As usual I admit to knowing nothing on this subject. | |
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| Electric car advice on 15:58 - Jul 3 with 2217 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Electric car advice on 08:31 - Jul 3 by unstableblue |
Just did some research ahead of a car change.
Decided 2-3 year of more petrol, primarily due to range, charging network, towing.
May change mrs unstable to a small pure electric in the interim, where the market has some good options where range is less of an issue, Fiat 500, Mini… some of the ranges in this class can be very low.
As for your SUV desire there is a lot coming out right now. But at present the Tesla Model 3 and incoming Y (more akin to your suv need) are still ahead of the game… charging network, range, autopilot, electric by design.
The ones to watch now are the Audi etron q4, Nissan ariya, Hyundai ioniq… the q4 smoothes some of the edges of some of the other VW Eva on that electric first platform
I’d avoid evs that are on a joint ev and petrol architecture
I don’t really know what I’m talking about |
This is where we’re at; keeping the big car for long trips/holidays (a not that old A6 estate that does 50mpg on a run, so no point changing). But our little runaround is knocking on a bit and we’re looking at all electric. Had considered the 500, but prefer 5 door and need a bit bigger boot space for all the kids swimming bags. There’s a 500 3+1 that looks great, but not available in the uk. New all e panda coming out next year might tick our boxes. The Peugeot 308 looks good too.
No idea what I’d do if I was looking for a large electric. Tesla looks good but are £90k. There’s loads of these Jag iPaces around, but they’re probably smaller than they look. |  |
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| Electric car advice on 16:44 - Jul 3 with 2201 views | GaryCooper |
| Electric car advice on 15:40 - Jul 2 by JakeITFC |
If the electricity used to charge the car is renewable then the car is responsible for zero emissions in its journey, compared to the CO2 emitted by petrol or diesel cars (there are some countries where the fuel mix is such that driving an EV is actually worse for the environment if they are largely burning coal/gas for their power grid).
There is a valid point about infrastructure in your post - the UK does need to invest in lots of new ways of generating and distributing power to solve current supply issues, plus the influx of new demand that comes from decarbonising transport (and similarly heat and other industries). |
One cannot choose to charge by renewable electricity only, all electricity uses the same distribution network, there are a large number of strategic gas and diesel powered generation sites being built throughout the UK to satisfy demand for peak power. The green powered cars theory is at the moment pure fantasy. |  | | |
| Electric car advice on 16:59 - Jul 3 with 2190 views | wkj |
| Electric car advice on 13:42 - Jul 3 by Lord_Lucan |
I think your earlier post didn't get the recognition it deserved.
I want to go green but I'm not sure electric cars are the answer. The disaffected won't look at the long term issues but I cannot at this time see how we can get rid of all the millions and millions of batteries.
I was out for a meal with my Farage loving Essex car dealer mate last night and he thinks electric cars will be short lived.
As usual I admit to knowing nothing on this subject. |
5, 10 years ago? Maybe
However, with Musk spearheading massive RND for Electric Cars? Not a chance this is flash in the pan now.
The costs are there, the range is close to there, the charging infrastructure is not - if that last puzzle piece slots in - EV cars will become ubiquitous in a matter of years.
As for disposing of Millions and Millions of batteries? Much more easy and valuable to recycle them than the millions and millions of internal combustion engines already on the scrap heap. [Post edited 3 Jul 2021 17:00]
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| Electric car advice on 19:40 - Jul 3 with 2150 views | solomon |
| Electric car advice on 09:25 - Jul 3 by Bluefish |
Terrible time to buy a used car. Market is hugely over inflated and will get worse due to the semiconductor shortage |
Used market is extremely buoyant right now, prices are rising and most dealers are finding it hard to find the used cars they need. | | | |
| Electric car advice on 20:58 - Jul 3 with 2130 views | solomon |
| Electric car advice on 11:38 - Jul 3 by ElephantintheRoom |
I think you'll find it will go a bit beyond that.
There are more horses in Britain now than at any time in history. You dont see them towing barges or hay wagons - people ride them for fun and own them for status symbols.
Cars will be the same. They will become objects of leisure, collected as works of art and design - and appreciated for the enjoyment and practicality they represent.
Electric cars are as dull as dishwater - and always will be. They are also very dangerous - just like bullets you never hear the one that kills you.
The other stark reality of your post is the second hand market. I cant see teenagers lowering the suspension of their electric novas, nor outdated technology and near unsuable batteries having much second hand appeal - whereas most diesels are good for 150,000 miles.
Electric cars at present are for Waitrose shoppers and people in towns and cities that have never heard of Australia, USA, China and India and think their self indulgence makes a difference. Than goodness for the red wall - I dont think they will continue to vote for liars if they are made to have electric cars |
Not a fan of EV’s then? | | | |
| Electric car advice on 22:48 - Jul 3 with 2113 views | ITFC_History |
| Electric car advice on 14:31 - Jul 2 by Pendejo |
From experience real world range nowhere near advertised.
Audi Etron was at least 20% less
Polestar 15%
But it will get better
Flip side, was in a meeting with a London Taxi fleet operator who claims he can more out of the LEVC than is advertised |
Drive an LEVC. Get no where near the mileage that is advertised. Supposed to around 63. Might get close to that in the summer but in winter you get early 40s. Sometimes less.
Not gone through the whole thread but my main concern in London is the infrastructure is not there in terms of charging points. |  | | |
| Electric car advice on 07:23 - Jul 4 with 2067 views | solomon |
| Electric car advice on 22:48 - Jul 3 by ITFC_History |
Drive an LEVC. Get no where near the mileage that is advertised. Supposed to around 63. Might get close to that in the summer but in winter you get early 40s. Sometimes less.
Not gone through the whole thread but my main concern in London is the infrastructure is not there in terms of charging points. |
It’s a good point, maybe, just maybe that’s where hydrogen might just have an edge. Who knows? One things for sure the next few years are going to be interesting, one thing is certain though, ICE’s are dead tech. | | | |
| Electric car advice on 07:35 - Jul 4 with 2061 views | WeWereZombies |
| Electric car advice on 16:44 - Jul 3 by GaryCooper |
One cannot choose to charge by renewable electricity only, all electricity uses the same distribution network, there are a large number of strategic gas and diesel powered generation sites being built throughout the UK to satisfy demand for peak power. The green powered cars theory is at the moment pure fantasy. |
41.6% of electricity coming from renewables in the first quarter of this year despite poorer wind conditions, putting 'greener' energy slightly ahead of fossil fuels (nuclear makes up the rest of the supply):
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attac
All you have to do is tap a query into a search engine and look through a few results to find one that gives a degree of provenance... |  |
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| Electric car advice on 08:58 - Jul 4 with 2032 views | solomon |
| Electric car advice on 07:35 - Jul 4 by WeWereZombies |
41.6% of electricity coming from renewables in the first quarter of this year despite poorer wind conditions, putting 'greener' energy slightly ahead of fossil fuels (nuclear makes up the rest of the supply):
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attac
All you have to do is tap a query into a search engine and look through a few results to find one that gives a degree of provenance... |
Unfortunately this issue and climate change denial is the current flat earthed default setting, change is scary for some and it takes a while to convince everyone. For sure I’m not completely happy we’re losing cars as we know them but sometimes you just have to accept change and go with it or get left behind. | | | |
| Electric car advice on 09:03 - Jul 4 with 2029 views | wkj |
| Electric car advice on 08:58 - Jul 4 by solomon |
Unfortunately this issue and climate change denial is the current flat earthed default setting, change is scary for some and it takes a while to convince everyone. For sure I’m not completely happy we’re losing cars as we know them but sometimes you just have to accept change and go with it or get left behind. |
It is always hard hearing that people object to wind turbines as it impacts the birdlife. As true as it may be, the increasing incidents of unbearable heatwaves, such as those in British Colombia, will have a much bigger impact in the long run.
Denying climate change is just not valid - sure, debate the causes if you must - but the climate is changing, and in such a way that we're unable to cope unless we pump the breaks on a lot of things.
If EV Cars become ubiquitous and renewable energy sources keep up with that demand, the ecological impact with unquantifiable. | |
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| Electric car advice on 09:32 - Jul 4 with 2021 views | solomon |
| Electric car advice on 09:03 - Jul 4 by wkj |
It is always hard hearing that people object to wind turbines as it impacts the birdlife. As true as it may be, the increasing incidents of unbearable heatwaves, such as those in British Colombia, will have a much bigger impact in the long run.
Denying climate change is just not valid - sure, debate the causes if you must - but the climate is changing, and in such a way that we're unable to cope unless we pump the breaks on a lot of things.
If EV Cars become ubiquitous and renewable energy sources keep up with that demand, the ecological impact with unquantifiable. |
Exactly. At the mo I drive a hi performance car that attracts a lot of taxation, it will be sad to see it go but this is bigger than my personal preference and it’s tine to move on, I’m still not 100% convinced hydrogen doesn’t have a part to play yet but I’m watching the new car market to see which EV I may have to have as opposed to the climate botherer I drive now. | | | |
| Electric car advice on 09:41 - Jul 4 with 2012 views | GaryCooper |
| Electric car advice on 07:35 - Jul 4 by WeWereZombies |
41.6% of electricity coming from renewables in the first quarter of this year despite poorer wind conditions, putting 'greener' energy slightly ahead of fossil fuels (nuclear makes up the rest of the supply):
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attac
All you have to do is tap a query into a search engine and look through a few results to find one that gives a degree of provenance... |
That is not in dispute, demand is going to rise substantially, STOR short term operational reserve is ever more required, STOR is being generated by gas and diesel, this is my engineering field.
Additionally, the DNO are running networks that are currently in no way capable of demand.
Things need to change fast to satisfy future load demands, at this time they are certainly not. | | | |
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