| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… 09:00 - Aug 15 with 6618 views | Kieran_Knows |
… like, I get it, the takeover, Ashton coming in, a massive turn around in players … it’s all shiny and new, and for some people, they’ll never have a word said against it. But for those that share their ‘concerns’, we’re seen as massive ‘COOK OUTERS’.
It was only a few weeks ago me and a few others were saying how poor it was going in to pre-season with only 2 new signings (Evans and Burns at the time). Now don’t get me wrong, Ashton has had a massive job on his hands with regards to player recruitment, but here we are, 2 league games in to the season, still playing like a bunch of strangers and a back 4 that couldn’t look anymore disjointed if it tried. Funny though, because we was told ‘BuT tHe TRanSFeR WInDoW DOesN’t ClOsE tILl tHE ENd OF auGUSt’.
That’s all well, but carry on as we are, and come the end of August we’ll be off the pace and still technically need a pre season for the new signings to get up to speed.
All being said, I think the side picks itself now;
Hladky
KVY Edmundson Burgess Coulson
Harper Evans
Edwards Fraser Chaplin
Pigott
We really need to get all them fit, get them on the training ground working together as a unit and hopefully start picking up wins and points ASAP.
I know this’ll get loads of downvotes, but meh, just some Sunday morning thoughts. We’re not Cook outers, we just have concerns. |  |
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| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 15:05 - Aug 15 with 844 views | Darth_Koont |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 14:53 - Aug 15 by timothyeo |
There is a bit of an issue though, where you say we've grown into games.
We've looked better generally after going behind. That's as much to do with the opposition sitting back and letting us have the ball as anything else. We look pretty decent in possession with little pressure but we've created few genuinely good chances since Cook has been in charge. Its been pretty similar to Lamberts relegation - poor results but fans talking up performances that weren't actually all that great. |
Yesterday, we looked better long after we got back level. We kept it together somewhat during the first half but wasn’t until the second that we started to get hold of the ball in midfield.
Was that Burton not being able to keep up their high press? Certainly part of it, but I think a lot of it was still us trying to find our feet as a team. |  |
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| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 15:05 - Aug 15 with 833 views | chrismakin |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 14:56 - Aug 15 by timothyeo |
Its exactly what he's saying because he's said the same thing several times already. He's told me not to criticise unless I want Cook out. Its bizarre, childish mentality that doesn't belong in the adult world. |
Well That's not true for starters
I asked you the question of if you are that strong that he's been a rubbish manager since he's been here, that he's been no better than hurst, lambert etc.. surely that's his time done in your mind? or if you're giving him time... why do you keep referring to his time here as worse than the others.... what is the view to take forward from that? |  |
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| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 15:05 - Aug 15 with 844 views | Herbivore |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 15:02 - Aug 15 by chrismakin |
ah, that's where you're getting confused
I've not said don't air your views. carry on. just man up about them and be proud of your own thoughts that you're not a PC fan and you'd prefer him not to be here.
As said, that's for those that and I Repeat again as you appear to be struggling, those that bring up LAST season along with this one in their views, and bring up his result stats etc as a clear example of your thoughts that he's not been good enough....
IF you however feel he should be given more time...... then surely your thoughts on his past becomes redundant and you're giving him time with the rest of us, so therefore how about looking at the positives to take from the 2 2 games we've had. |
"I'm not telling people what they should post but this is what they should post". Every. Time. No wonder poor old PJH had enough. |  |
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| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 15:09 - Aug 15 with 820 views | chrismakin |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 15:05 - Aug 15 by Herbivore |
"I'm not telling people what they should post but this is what they should post". Every. Time. No wonder poor old PJH had enough. |
ah you're still struggling | |
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| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 15:36 - Aug 15 with 781 views | DropCliffsNotBombs |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 14:54 - Aug 15 by Dubtractor |
How many posters have you seen just criticising Cook? |
Have a look at timothyeo's post history over the last few weeks - he's pretty incessantly critical of Cook. I assume he is the kind of poster CM is referring to, rather than posters who raise the odd criticism or concern. |  | | |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 16:06 - Aug 15 with 743 views | RICHIE31 |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 09:38 - Aug 15 by Keaneish |
It was only 5-months ago and on here there was mass hysteria that PC had walked out of his job because new owners had come in and he hadn’t turned up for a press conference.
Fast forward and there’s wild speculation that things are very wrong 2 games into the league season. The reality is, people live vicariously through sound bites. For all the chat on here about the result, as usual there’s little commentary about the game, which speaks volumes.
I was relatively pleased with the performance against Morecambe and Newport despite the results but can’t comment on yesterday. I’ll be at Cheltenham though where I expect nothing less than a good performance and a win but reality is, we all knew and were told it was going to be a slow start to the season so why are we expecting anything different? |
Problem is that the football played may be more to some fans liking but results are what matter.There have been many teams including the team up the road who have played attractive/better football than they were judged to have done in the past but in certain divisions and situations you have to do what is necessary to get results.All that belief that its ok to lose 3-1 but play expansive ,pleasing on the eye football wont get you out of league 1.Attitude,flexibility and an understanding of each opponents game may be better.
I will put my neck on the line now and say that the Paul Cook influence on ITFC should have shown more improvement than it has whatever excuse for it anyone cares to offer.
All the best as always to you all. |  | | |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 16:29 - Aug 15 with 728 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 14:54 - Aug 15 by Dubtractor |
How many posters have you seen just criticising Cook? |
Several. I've not counted them. |  |
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| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 16:35 - Aug 15 with 708 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 15:36 - Aug 15 by DropCliffsNotBombs |
Have a look at timothyeo's post history over the last few weeks - he's pretty incessantly critical of Cook. I assume he is the kind of poster CM is referring to, rather than posters who raise the odd criticism or concern. |
Indeed. | |
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| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 16:46 - Aug 15 with 687 views | timothyeo |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 15:05 - Aug 15 by chrismakin |
Well That's not true for starters
I asked you the question of if you are that strong that he's been a rubbish manager since he's been here, that he's been no better than hurst, lambert etc.. surely that's his time done in your mind? or if you're giving him time... why do you keep referring to his time here as worse than the others.... what is the view to take forward from that? |
The reason I don't want him to go YET is because he's proven himself elsewhere. I'm relying on his past career rather than what he's done here. I'm not sure that's the right move but at the moment I feel it's too soon to call it a day and his past suggests he should be able to get it right. It won't stop me pointing out things i'm not happy with though, as is my right on this forum. | | | |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 16:46 - Aug 15 with 685 views | timothyeo |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 15:36 - Aug 15 by DropCliffsNotBombs |
Have a look at timothyeo's post history over the last few weeks - he's pretty incessantly critical of Cook. I assume he is the kind of poster CM is referring to, rather than posters who raise the odd criticism or concern. |
Well, quite, because he hasn't delivered anything tangible for me to praise yet. | | | |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 17:48 - Aug 15 with 637 views | Keaneish |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 16:46 - Aug 15 by timothyeo |
Well, quite, because he hasn't delivered anything tangible for me to praise yet. |
Do you go to games? That's not a dig, it's an honest question. Many on here don't but all voice an opinion based on what they see on the BBC Sports App. |  |
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| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 17:51 - Aug 15 with 632 views | Darth_Koont |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 16:46 - Aug 15 by timothyeo |
Well, quite, because he hasn't delivered anything tangible for me to praise yet. |
Similarly he hasn’t done anything that deserves criticism yet either. I think his signings have been good on paper but haven’t delivered yet as a team so we should be patient before going too far either way.
And I think Chrismakin actually has a point that we have to draw a line between Cook last season and this. Yes, he didn’t inspire or get anything out of the previous team he inherited. But it’s a blank slate on and off the pitch given the massive overhaul. I’m not sure how anyone can call it a continuation of his record given it’s two different jobs. We might as well bring in his overall successful record at his previous clubs for all the relevance it has. | |
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| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 17:57 - Aug 15 with 623 views | Keaneish |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 17:51 - Aug 15 by Darth_Koont |
Similarly he hasn’t done anything that deserves criticism yet either. I think his signings have been good on paper but haven’t delivered yet as a team so we should be patient before going too far either way.
And I think Chrismakin actually has a point that we have to draw a line between Cook last season and this. Yes, he didn’t inspire or get anything out of the previous team he inherited. But it’s a blank slate on and off the pitch given the massive overhaul. I’m not sure how anyone can call it a continuation of his record given it’s two different jobs. We might as well bring in his overall successful record at his previous clubs for all the relevance it has. |
Perfectly summed up as a sound and sensible voice of reason, which is largely absent on here at times.
I'm really looking forward to this season and will be taking in as many games as i can. I've no doubt, with a little patience, this will be an enjoyable and successful one with plenty to look forward to as much as others might cast a negative spin on every bump along the way. | |
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| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 18:01 - Aug 15 with 617 views | hunty21 |
Valid points however our performances hsve been positive and it feels like only a matter of time before we thrash a team , however you are right we need to win games , like someone said if by december we are near playoffs then i expect us in 2nd half season to really up our points tally, we are now 1 signing off our squad being complete , if we sack cook quickly then many of the team will leave thats my fear | | | |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 18:03 - Aug 15 with 609 views | Darth_Koont |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 17:57 - Aug 15 by Keaneish |
Perfectly summed up as a sound and sensible voice of reason, which is largely absent on here at times.
I'm really looking forward to this season and will be taking in as many games as i can. I've no doubt, with a little patience, this will be an enjoyable and successful one with plenty to look forward to as much as others might cast a negative spin on every bump along the way. |
Hear hear.
We also know a few things about false dawns over the years so nobody should be getting too far ahead of themselves. So far we at least appear to be doing more of the right things on and off the pitch so no reason not to be cautiously optimistic and excited about each game and what the season can still hold. | |
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| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 18:45 - Aug 15 with 576 views | timothyeo |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 17:48 - Aug 15 by Keaneish |
Do you go to games? That's not a dig, it's an honest question. Many on here don't but all voice an opinion based on what they see on the BBC Sports App. |
Perfectly valid question. No, I haven't been to any games this season but have utilised iFollow and a VPN. | | | |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 18:46 - Aug 15 with 572 views | timothyeo |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 17:51 - Aug 15 by Darth_Koont |
Similarly he hasn’t done anything that deserves criticism yet either. I think his signings have been good on paper but haven’t delivered yet as a team so we should be patient before going too far either way.
And I think Chrismakin actually has a point that we have to draw a line between Cook last season and this. Yes, he didn’t inspire or get anything out of the previous team he inherited. But it’s a blank slate on and off the pitch given the massive overhaul. I’m not sure how anyone can call it a continuation of his record given it’s two different jobs. We might as well bring in his overall successful record at his previous clubs for all the relevance it has. |
I personally think results so far under him do warrant some criticism.
But as you've stated you're drawing a line from last season to this. Personally, I don't think last season should just be ignored. He didn't come in at that point of the season to make us worse, the appointment was made to give us a play off shot. | | | |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 18:48 - Aug 15 with 568 views | hype313 |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 13:54 - Aug 15 by chrismakin |
The problem is, there are many posters unable to ignore last season to just go with this season as new and in it's beginning stage.
If Cook left tomorrow and a new manager came in, you would give him time. No different to how it should be with Cook
Am i blind? no, fraser on the flanks I don't get, but I also can see that through performances there are alot of positives to take that weren't there in the past. The amount of fullback crosses being put in etc is a lot higher. Some aren't of great quality. But that will come with either improvement by the player in question or that player is replaced by a better option. BUT the style and what PC is looking to do is clear to see.
It's the same people continuing their negative persuation like it's cool to be negative. I've seen ' Deserved nothing, got nothing' regarding yesturday, which is pathetic to be honest.
If it's not Cook out, why the continued push to spread negativity? what does it achieve? trying to turn more and more into negative town fans? how does it help?
We're told being patient and remaining calm about things is lacking ambition, yet constantly moaning about things yet not calling for PC's head is what exactly? just moaning for the sake of it? if it's that bad then surely you are calling for Paul's head no? if not, shut up and enjoy the positives that are there, as there are plenty. If you wish to carry on with the negativity, fine.. but be brave enough to back it up and say Cook out. |
Jesus, you really do have a bee in your bonnet about Joe.
What is it? Jealousy that he has a platform that people like? |  |
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| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 18:55 - Aug 15 with 553 views | Darth_Koont |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 18:46 - Aug 15 by timothyeo |
I personally think results so far under him do warrant some criticism.
But as you've stated you're drawing a line from last season to this. Personally, I don't think last season should just be ignored. He didn't come in at that point of the season to make us worse, the appointment was made to give us a play off shot. |
Sure, he doesn’t gain any credit for last season but it’s a different job now. And we’re just a few games in.
Insisting on last season having more bearing now than his overall record at this level is ludicrous.
Let’s see what happens when there’s enough games to make your point, whatever that is. | |
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| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 18:59 - Aug 15 with 545 views | Darth_Koont |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 18:48 - Aug 15 by hype313 |
Jesus, you really do have a bee in your bonnet about Joe.
What is it? Jealousy that he has a platform that people like? |
What was the reference to Joe?
Joe can get a little silly and dogmatic at times to be fair. | |
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| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 19:07 - Aug 15 with 525 views | hype313 |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 18:59 - Aug 15 by Darth_Koont |
What was the reference to Joe?
Joe can get a little silly and dogmatic at times to be fair. |
He referenced Joe's tweet from the game yesterday.
Its not the first time he has thinly veiled digs at him either. [Post edited 15 Aug 2021 19:07]
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| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 19:15 - Aug 15 with 515 views | timothyeo |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 18:55 - Aug 15 by Darth_Koont |
Sure, he doesn’t gain any credit for last season but it’s a different job now. And we’re just a few games in.
Insisting on last season having more bearing now than his overall record at this level is ludicrous.
Let’s see what happens when there’s enough games to make your point, whatever that is. |
I think his overall record with us is more relevant than what he's done elsewhere, as seen with other managers.
Despite that, its what he's achieved elsewhere that gives me hope we can improve this season. | | | |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 19:16 - Aug 15 with 514 views | Darth_Koont |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 19:07 - Aug 15 by hype313 |
He referenced Joe's tweet from the game yesterday.
Its not the first time he has thinly veiled digs at him either. [Post edited 15 Aug 2021 19:07]
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If it was the “Deserved nothing, got nothing” comment then that was stupid. I can understand it in the emotion of a disappointing result but doesn’t really stand up for a game we could have and probably should have won if that penalty is scored. I also thought we were up against a Burton that played well and certainly put in the effort throughout.
Joe can handle digs, surely? I have a dig regularly about his various opinions as we all should to each other. | |
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| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 19:17 - Aug 15 with 509 views | RICHIE31 |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 17:51 - Aug 15 by Darth_Koont |
Similarly he hasn’t done anything that deserves criticism yet either. I think his signings have been good on paper but haven’t delivered yet as a team so we should be patient before going too far either way.
And I think Chrismakin actually has a point that we have to draw a line between Cook last season and this. Yes, he didn’t inspire or get anything out of the previous team he inherited. But it’s a blank slate on and off the pitch given the massive overhaul. I’m not sure how anyone can call it a continuation of his record given it’s two different jobs. We might as well bring in his overall successful record at his previous clubs for all the relevance it has. |
Yes judge him on this season ..1 draw 2 losses...promising isnt it.I have no axe to grind with Cook but the patience afforded to so many managers at ITFC is admirable at best and blind loyalty at worst.Last seasons results cannot be ignored because they represent his ability to make an impact and how quickly he can implement his ideas and wishes to any players.I would be concerned how much time he needs to do that ,if he can at all,because the signs are suggesting it may be a slow process. | | | |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 19:19 - Aug 15 with 499 views | hype313 |
| This place doesn’t half make me laugh… on 19:16 - Aug 15 by Darth_Koont |
If it was the “Deserved nothing, got nothing” comment then that was stupid. I can understand it in the emotion of a disappointing result but doesn’t really stand up for a game we could have and probably should have won if that penalty is scored. I also thought we were up against a Burton that played well and certainly put in the effort throughout.
Joe can handle digs, surely? I have a dig regularly about his various opinions as we all should to each other. |
Oh don't get me wrong, I've disagreed with Joe on a few occasions, but we both respect each others opinions.
Chris clearly has a personal vendetta against him, and I just put it down to jealously. | |
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