| New lockdown looming for Scotland 09:12 - Aug 26 with 8267 views | GlasgowBlue |
Just three weeks after so called freedom day.
Cases have been doubling week on week for the last three weeks whilst cases in England have been either showing a very small increase or a drop like yesterday.
Big mistake not opening up when England did. Instead we have kicked the can down the road, missed the good weather and school holidays, and timed freedom day with the schools going back. Madness.
Looks like I’ll be closing again once again very shortly. Of course Niola will no doubt blame Boris. [Post edited 26 Aug 2021 9:26]
|  |
| |  |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 18:18 - Aug 26 with 1430 views | GlasgowBlue |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 17:01 - Aug 26 by rattram |
Glasgowblue is perfectly entitled to his anti SNP rant, but the figures show that 1/3 of the new Covid cases in Scotland are people of school age, who have just returned to the class room. England's turn is coming i'm afraid |
I haven't mentioned political parties and I don't believe anything that I posted could be considered a rant. I mentioned the First Minister by name. Just as somebody criticising the actions of the UK government would mention the Prime Minister by name.
Giving an honest critique of the first Minster is no more an anti SNP rant, anymore than giving an honest critique of the Prime Minister is an anti Tory rant.
However, I digress.
There have been 9399 positive cases recorded in Scotland so far this week. Of those, 2207 are people of school age (Actually that figure includes people 4 and younger but we shall include them as school age if you like as I doubt there are that many recoded cases).
So your figures are misleading to say that 1/3 of new covid cases are people of school age. It's 23%. Less than a quarter.
The biggest demographic of new covid cases in Scotland are people in the age group of 25 - 44.
However. Let's run with that figure of 23%.
In the week before the schools went back (week beginning 9 August), the percentage of new cases for people of school age was actually 24%.
The biggest demographic of new covi cases in Scotland before the kids went back? 25-44.
All figures available at Public Health Scotland.
My advoce would be 1) don't accuse people of having a rant when they have genuine concerns that will more than likely affect their livelihood and 2) Get you figures right as somebody will always check them. Especially if that somebody is an anal c**t like me. | |
| |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 19:53 - Aug 26 with 1379 views | WeWereZombies |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 17:23 - Aug 26 by Swansea_Blue |
Yep, they're on a steep upward trend (7 day average around 1,500 but doubling every 2 weeks). The rate of increase is partly because they were so low in the first place, but numbers are now getting serious again. We're still some way off the peaks of the past, but getting there.
Schools don't start back until the 2nd Sept (7 week holiday this year). We've seen a total breakdown in measures, despite quite strongly given advice to mask up and social distance. It's ok in shops still; very rare you see someone around Swansea without a mask. But cafes, bars and the like are rammed. And events are back on, also rammed.
I don't know but I suspect tourism is playing a part. Tourist spots are busier than I've ever seen and mask wearing and social distancing looks to be less prevalent in those areas. (I'm not implying that we're importing bad habits, it could just be people kicking back on holiday or the busyness making social distancing almost impossible).
The only good news is that it's clear the vaccines are doing their part in keeping the deaths down. Get vaccinate everyone! |
Your tourism point is a good one and probably explains Scotland's above average numbers as the difficulties in leaving these islands is sending more people to the best bits of the United Kingdom...
And as a semi-facetious aside. I wonder if when the schools go back the spouses and partners of teachers take the opportunity to get up to anything that makes social distancing difficult? [Post edited 27 Aug 2021 7:50]
|  |
| |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 21:36 - Aug 26 with 1328 views | Ely_Blue |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 14:50 - Aug 26 by Herbivore |
They do report the percentage. It's gone down slightly but is still high. |
Erm they may “report” it but that is not the main headline that is seen everyday on tv and in the newspapers.
The WHO definition is that for a country to have the virus under control they should have 5% or less positive tests |  |
| |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 21:52 - Aug 26 with 1311 views | Herbivore |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 21:36 - Aug 26 by Ely_Blue |
Erm they may “report” it but that is not the main headline that is seen everyday on tv and in the newspapers.
The WHO definition is that for a country to have the virus under control they should have 5% or less positive tests |
It's currently more than double 5%. The % really isn't the headline here either, the level of Covid circulating is high. |  |
| |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 22:31 - Aug 26 with 1282 views | Ely_Blue |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 21:52 - Aug 26 by Herbivore |
It's currently more than double 5%. The % really isn't the headline here either, the level of Covid circulating is high. |
But does anyone really know the true level of covid circulating?
As I was saying to my OH earlier, you test more then you pick up people who a week ago may have had covid but would never test because they didn’t have or didn’t think they had symptoms.
You send the kids back to school and force them to test 2 times a week then you will pick up those mild or asymptomatic cases that would go un detected | |
| |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 23:00 - Aug 26 with 1261 views | Herbivore |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 22:31 - Aug 26 by Ely_Blue |
But does anyone really know the true level of covid circulating?
As I was saying to my OH earlier, you test more then you pick up people who a week ago may have had covid but would never test because they didn’t have or didn’t think they had symptoms.
You send the kids back to school and force them to test 2 times a week then you will pick up those mild or asymptomatic cases that would go un detected |
I'm not really sure what point you're making. | |
| |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 23:38 - Aug 26 with 1222 views | Pinewoodblue |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 21:52 - Aug 26 by Herbivore |
It's currently more than double 5%. The % really isn't the headline here either, the level of Covid circulating is high. |
38,000 new cases; 923,000 tests carried out that's around 4%*
*UK figures for today. |  |
| |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 23:41 - Aug 26 with 1219 views | GlasgowBlue |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 19:53 - Aug 26 by WeWereZombies |
Your tourism point is a good one and probably explains Scotland's above average numbers as the difficulties in leaving these islands is sending more people to the best bits of the United Kingdom...
And as a semi-facetious aside. I wonder if when the schools go back the spouses and partners of teachers take the opportunity to get up to anything that makes social distancing difficult? [Post edited 27 Aug 2021 7:50]
|
Some very good analysis on Sky News tonight.
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-cases-of-coronavirus-are-rising-but-is-it-ti
“In Scotland's case, some have put this surge in numbers down to the fact that most of its pupils have returned to school before the rest of the UK.
But break down Scottish case rates by age group and a somewhat confounding picture emerges.
Certainly, the highest case rates are to be found among those aged between 15 and 19. But the case rates among the youngest age group, zero to 14, is actually quite low in comparison to most other age groups.
COVID rates among 20 to 24-year-olds, on the other hand, are almost as high as among teenagers”. | |
| |
Login to get fewer ads
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 23:50 - Aug 26 with 1207 views | Herbivore |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 23:38 - Aug 26 by Pinewoodblue |
38,000 new cases; 923,000 tests carried out that's around 4%*
*UK figures for today. |
I was going on the latest Scottish figures I'd seen which were around 11%. | |
| |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 00:24 - Aug 27 with 1181 views | Freddies_Ears |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 11:07 - Aug 26 by Cotty |
Of course. And the same will happen here. This thing is far from over. |
Covid cases in England amongst school age kids have halved each week since schools finished. Covid cases overall are rising, so adult cases are rising very quivkly. In Scotland, cases have jumped hugely since schools went back. Th at will be England in 4 week's time.
UK already has well over 100 deaths a day. That will rise over the next few weeks. |  | | |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 12:06 - Aug 27 with 1082 views | GlasgowBlue |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 00:24 - Aug 27 by Freddies_Ears |
Covid cases in England amongst school age kids have halved each week since schools finished. Covid cases overall are rising, so adult cases are rising very quivkly. In Scotland, cases have jumped hugely since schools went back. Th at will be England in 4 week's time.
UK already has well over 100 deaths a day. That will rise over the next few weeks. |
You haven't read my links. These cases are not being driven by schools re opening. They are being driven by people in their late teens to 24 year olds.
It's the night clubs. Absolutely crazy rule up here that you can dance on a crowded dance floor in a sweaty night club without having to wear a mask but you can't leave your table in a restaurant to go for a pee unless you are wearing a mask. [Post edited 27 Aug 2021 12:11]
| |
| |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 13:20 - Aug 27 with 1042 views | Ely_Blue |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 23:00 - Aug 26 by Herbivore |
I'm not really sure what point you're making. |
That nobody truly knows what level of covid is circulating……… how many asymptomatic cases are there that are never picked up because there is never the reason to test etc etc | |
| |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 13:37 - Aug 27 with 1028 views | gordon |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 23:41 - Aug 26 by GlasgowBlue |
Some very good analysis on Sky News tonight.
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-cases-of-coronavirus-are-rising-but-is-it-ti
“In Scotland's case, some have put this surge in numbers down to the fact that most of its pupils have returned to school before the rest of the UK.
But break down Scottish case rates by age group and a somewhat confounding picture emerges.
Certainly, the highest case rates are to be found among those aged between 15 and 19. But the case rates among the youngest age group, zero to 14, is actually quite low in comparison to most other age groups.
COVID rates among 20 to 24-year-olds, on the other hand, are almost as high as among teenagers”. |
Do you know what week was that age range data for? |  | | |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 13:47 - Aug 27 with 1014 views | gordon |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 12:06 - Aug 27 by GlasgowBlue |
You haven't read my links. These cases are not being driven by schools re opening. They are being driven by people in their late teens to 24 year olds.
It's the night clubs. Absolutely crazy rule up here that you can dance on a crowded dance floor in a sweaty night club without having to wear a mask but you can't leave your table in a restaurant to go for a pee unless you are wearing a mask. [Post edited 27 Aug 2021 12:11]
|
Agree that masks in nightclubs should be mandatory, but there's not really any reason why that same dynamic wouldn't drive cases in England, is there? The June/July peak was a few weeks earlier in Scotland than England, I'd guess that there's a big peak on the way in England in about 2 / 3 weeks. In general I've spent about 1/3 my time England and 2/3 in Scotland over the last year or so, and people are generally way, way more careful and rule-abiding in Scotland. | | | |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 13:47 - Aug 27 with 1014 views | Pinewoodblue |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 12:06 - Aug 27 by GlasgowBlue |
You haven't read my links. These cases are not being driven by schools re opening. They are being driven by people in their late teens to 24 year olds.
It's the night clubs. Absolutely crazy rule up here that you can dance on a crowded dance floor in a sweaty night club without having to wear a mask but you can't leave your table in a restaurant to go for a pee unless you are wearing a mask. [Post edited 27 Aug 2021 12:11]
|
According to information provided today 1 in 70 people in England had Covid in latest reported 7 day period.
It was only 1 in 140 in Scotland. | |
| |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 14:04 - Aug 27 with 996 views | Ryorry |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 13:47 - Aug 27 by Pinewoodblue |
According to information provided today 1 in 70 people in England had Covid in latest reported 7 day period.
It was only 1 in 140 in Scotland. |
Even in our rural area in N. Yorks it's 1 in 50, according to the nurse in GP's surgery yesterday. |  |
| |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 14:07 - Aug 27 with 992 views | hype313 |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 13:47 - Aug 27 by Pinewoodblue |
According to information provided today 1 in 70 people in England had Covid in latest reported 7 day period.
It was only 1 in 140 in Scotland. |
Pretty much everyone I know has had it or currently has it in the past 2-3 weeks including my 80yr old Dad who has been very unwell. |  |
| |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 14:26 - Aug 27 with 967 views | GlasgowBlue |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 13:37 - Aug 27 by gordon |
Do you know what week was that age range data for? |
I would imagine it's from Public Health Scotland. The data has been consistent both before and after the schools opened per my previous reply to ratram.
For the past two weeks the percentage of school age children with covid is 23%.
In the week before the schools went back (week beginning 9 August), the percentage of new cases for people of school age was 24%.
It's late teens to 25 who make up the most new cases. | |
| |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 14:27 - Aug 27 with 962 views | GlasgowBlue |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 23:50 - Aug 26 by Herbivore |
I was going on the latest Scottish figures I'd seen which were around 11%. |
14.2% today Herbs. Worry times.
| |
| |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 14:35 - Aug 27 with 953 views | GlasgowBlue |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 13:47 - Aug 27 by Pinewoodblue |
According to information provided today 1 in 70 people in England had Covid in latest reported 7 day period.
It was only 1 in 140 in Scotland. |
That can't be right. According to Our World In Data, Northern Ireland has the highest number of cases per 100,000 with 91.91, Scotland second with 72.46, Wales third with 50.39 and England fourth with 47.21.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/uk-daily-covid-cases-7day-average
edit. Some positive news for NI. They have seen a reduction in new cases for two consecutive days. And Wales has leveled off. [Post edited 27 Aug 2021 14:41]
| |
| |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 14:44 - Aug 27 with 939 views | WeWereZombies |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 14:07 - Aug 27 by hype313 |
Pretty much everyone I know has had it or currently has it in the past 2-3 weeks including my 80yr old Dad who has been very unwell. |
Very few people I know have had Covid-19, most are fully vaccinated and diligent in social distancing and face mask use as well as loosely keeping to 'bubbles'. The disease can be avoided with due care and attention. | |
| |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 14:47 - Aug 27 with 928 views | hype313 |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 14:44 - Aug 27 by WeWereZombies |
Very few people I know have had Covid-19, most are fully vaccinated and diligent in social distancing and face mask use as well as loosely keeping to 'bubbles'. The disease can be avoided with due care and attention. |
My Dad doesn't know where he caught it, he only goes to look after his partner as she has MS, the only thing we can think of is he caught it from the carers. He's certainly not taken any risks, he's been double jabbed, he has Diabetes so hes been extremely cautious, but this current variant is highly transmissible so he's been very unlucky. | |
| |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 14:53 - Aug 27 with 919 views | Herbivore |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 13:20 - Aug 27 by Ely_Blue |
That nobody truly knows what level of covid is circulating……… how many asymptomatic cases are there that are never picked up because there is never the reason to test etc etc |
There's an ongoing population study that offers pretty good estimates of the current infection rate. Without everyone being tested daily you're never going to get 100% accurate figures but there's good data out there. | |
| |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 16:23 - Aug 27 with 852 views | Ely_Blue |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 14:53 - Aug 27 by Herbivore |
There's an ongoing population study that offers pretty good estimates of the current infection rate. Without everyone being tested daily you're never going to get 100% accurate figures but there's good data out there. |
Ah the use of the word estimate, bit like a general election exit poll? We all know how accurate they are! | |
| |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 16:29 - Aug 27 with 847 views | Pinewoodblue |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 14:35 - Aug 27 by GlasgowBlue |
That can't be right. According to Our World In Data, Northern Ireland has the highest number of cases per 100,000 with 91.91, Scotland second with 72.46, Wales third with 50.39 and England fourth with 47.21.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/uk-daily-covid-cases-7day-average
edit. Some positive news for NI. They have seen a reduction in new cases for two consecutive days. And Wales has leveled off. [Post edited 27 Aug 2021 14:41]
|
ONS figures. | |
| |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
