| New lockdown looming for Scotland 09:12 - Aug 26 with 8266 views | GlasgowBlue |
Just three weeks after so called freedom day.
Cases have been doubling week on week for the last three weeks whilst cases in England have been either showing a very small increase or a drop like yesterday.
Big mistake not opening up when England did. Instead we have kicked the can down the road, missed the good weather and school holidays, and timed freedom day with the schools going back. Madness.
Looks like I’ll be closing again once again very shortly. Of course Niola will no doubt blame Boris. [Post edited 26 Aug 2021 9:26]
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| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 13:06 - Aug 26 with 2331 views | BlueySwede |
I think people are looking a little bit too much at the numbers for spread and cases. The most important thing is that the columns for deaths and severe cases. And in that regard only one thing will do the trick - people getting vaccinated. Keeping distance, using hand sanitizer and using face masks especially in confined spaces will also help. |  | | |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 13:10 - Aug 26 with 2318 views | unbelievablue |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 13:06 - Aug 26 by BlueySwede |
I think people are looking a little bit too much at the numbers for spread and cases. The most important thing is that the columns for deaths and severe cases. And in that regard only one thing will do the trick - people getting vaccinated. Keeping distance, using hand sanitizer and using face masks especially in confined spaces will also help. |
I tend to agree. Especially as the 'cases translate to deaths and severe illness' argument is far less consistent now - it's much harder to predict.
Though I understand why people continue to fixate on those numbers - it has been reported daily for a very long time. [Post edited 26 Aug 2021 13:10]
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| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 14:03 - Aug 26 with 2264 views | Parsley |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 12:48 - Aug 26 by GlasgowBlue |
But the doubling of cases started before the schools went back. I don't doubt that schools going back will be a factor. But there must be other reasons. One being the delay in lifting restrictions. To me, it seemed like kicking the can down the road. It would have been better to have lifted the restrictions at the beginning of the summer. Not the end.
Northern Ireland are top of the UK table btw with 91.91 cases per 100,000. They don't go back to school until 1 September. |
I don't understand the logic here. Lifting restrictions sooner would mean cases would be even higher now. So you'd still be going back into lockdown, but I guess would have had a bit more 'freedom' over the summer?
To be honest I'm struggling to see the benefit of additional lockdowns now. I'm no lockdown sceptic but surely now anyone that is going to have the vaccine has had it (or at least one dose with the 2nd coming soon). So who is another lockdown really protecting? The only reason I can think of is to stop hospitals being overwhelmed which might make sense, I don't know how close that is to happening. [Post edited 26 Aug 2021 14:05]
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| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 14:08 - Aug 26 with 2246 views | Pinewoodblue |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 14:03 - Aug 26 by Parsley |
I don't understand the logic here. Lifting restrictions sooner would mean cases would be even higher now. So you'd still be going back into lockdown, but I guess would have had a bit more 'freedom' over the summer?
To be honest I'm struggling to see the benefit of additional lockdowns now. I'm no lockdown sceptic but surely now anyone that is going to have the vaccine has had it (or at least one dose with the 2nd coming soon). So who is another lockdown really protecting? The only reason I can think of is to stop hospitals being overwhelmed which might make sense, I don't know how close that is to happening. [Post edited 26 Aug 2021 14:05]
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Vaccine doesn’t provide full protection hence mask wearing being advisory. Only idiots and Facebook experts ignore reasonable advice, some may respond to this comment. |  |
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| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 14:28 - Aug 26 with 2204 views | Parsley |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 14:08 - Aug 26 by Pinewoodblue |
Vaccine doesn’t provide full protection hence mask wearing being advisory. Only idiots and Facebook experts ignore reasonable advice, some may respond to this comment. |
So would it be fair to say at the moment the choice is wear a mask or face periodic lockdowns every few months? | | | |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 14:30 - Aug 26 with 2197 views | blueconscience |
Will further lockdowns really help?
The previous ones have only temporarily curbed the numbers. So how much difference will future ones make apart from giving us a higher numbers of closed businesses, unemployed, and people losing homes etc?
If we are going to keep locking down, what was the point in getting the vaccines? |  |
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| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 14:35 - Aug 26 with 2178 views | hype313 |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 14:30 - Aug 26 by blueconscience |
Will further lockdowns really help?
The previous ones have only temporarily curbed the numbers. So how much difference will future ones make apart from giving us a higher numbers of closed businesses, unemployed, and people losing homes etc?
If we are going to keep locking down, what was the point in getting the vaccines? |
Lockdowns help with protecting the vunerable and therefore not putting huge strain on the NHS, but seeing as the vast majority have been vaccinated then the argument for closing down society doesn't carry much weight in light of the vaccines.
Also, Sydney has been in Lockdown since the end of June and cases are rising exponentially there. |  |
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| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 14:40 - Aug 26 with 2166 views | blueconscience |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 14:35 - Aug 26 by hype313 |
Lockdowns help with protecting the vunerable and therefore not putting huge strain on the NHS, but seeing as the vast majority have been vaccinated then the argument for closing down society doesn't carry much weight in light of the vaccines.
Also, Sydney has been in Lockdown since the end of June and cases are rising exponentially there. |
But how long can they keep doing the same thing expecting different results? And how long until the likes of you or me lose everything? (Unless you are on furlough or pension)
Call me selfish, but I like having a roof over my head when I go to sleep. | |
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| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 14:48 - Aug 26 with 2143 views | Ely_Blue |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 10:59 - Aug 26 by Chrisd |
Haven't their schools already returned for the new term? |
More tests because schools go back = more positive tests.
The way these stats should be reported is as a % of tests taken, surely that would be a better measurement? |  |
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| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 14:50 - Aug 26 with 2139 views | Herbivore |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 14:48 - Aug 26 by Ely_Blue |
More tests because schools go back = more positive tests.
The way these stats should be reported is as a % of tests taken, surely that would be a better measurement? |
They do report the percentage. It's gone down slightly but is still high. |  |
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| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 15:06 - Aug 26 with 2105 views | gordon |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 12:48 - Aug 26 by GlasgowBlue |
But the doubling of cases started before the schools went back. I don't doubt that schools going back will be a factor. But there must be other reasons. One being the delay in lifting restrictions. To me, it seemed like kicking the can down the road. It would have been better to have lifted the restrictions at the beginning of the summer. Not the end.
Northern Ireland are top of the UK table btw with 91.91 cases per 100,000. They don't go back to school until 1 September. |
The 7 day ave. on the 4th August was 1,140, by the 16th August it was 1,434, then by the 23rd August it had leapt up to 3,023.
I can't really see the logic to an argument that cases would be lower if restrictions had been lifted earlier. |  | | |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 15:13 - Aug 26 with 2086 views | Herbivore |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 15:06 - Aug 26 by gordon |
The 7 day ave. on the 4th August was 1,140, by the 16th August it was 1,434, then by the 23rd August it had leapt up to 3,023.
I can't really see the logic to an argument that cases would be lower if restrictions had been lifted earlier. |
I don't think there is much logic to it but it gives him an angle to criticise Nicola Sturgeon I guess. | |
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| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 15:16 - Aug 26 with 2073 views | GlasgowBlue |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 15:13 - Aug 26 by Herbivore |
I don't think there is much logic to it but it gives him an angle to criticise Nicola Sturgeon I guess. |
So do you think it is logical to relax restrictions at the same time as the schools going back? Or relax them during the school holidays when more people are outside and the weather is far warmer.
Doing the two within days is madness imo.
I know you've gone all Jimmy Krankie since you moved up here last year but people are allowed to question St Nicola you know. | |
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| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 15:19 - Aug 26 with 2066 views | hype313 |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 15:16 - Aug 26 by GlasgowBlue |
So do you think it is logical to relax restrictions at the same time as the schools going back? Or relax them during the school holidays when more people are outside and the weather is far warmer.
Doing the two within days is madness imo.
I know you've gone all Jimmy Krankie since you moved up here last year but people are allowed to question St Nicola you know. |
When you say warmer... | |
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| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 15:30 - Aug 26 with 2039 views | gordon |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 15:16 - Aug 26 by GlasgowBlue |
So do you think it is logical to relax restrictions at the same time as the schools going back? Or relax them during the school holidays when more people are outside and the weather is far warmer.
Doing the two within days is madness imo.
I know you've gone all Jimmy Krankie since you moved up here last year but people are allowed to question St Nicola you know. |
I would wait and see what case numbers look like in England a week or so after schools go back before assessing the different approaches. | | | |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 15:33 - Aug 26 with 2028 views | hype313 |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 15:30 - Aug 26 by gordon |
I would wait and see what case numbers look like in England a week or so after schools go back before assessing the different approaches. |
Case numbers will inevitably go up, we will all get Covid, probably multiple times in our lifetime, but for the majority now it will be a few days of feeling rough.
None of us can escape it, but we have a vaccine and now treatments that are coming to the front line should it get nasty for someone.
It's endemic now, the question is do we keep shutting down society or not? | |
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| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 15:34 - Aug 26 with 2021 views | Herbivore |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 15:16 - Aug 26 by GlasgowBlue |
So do you think it is logical to relax restrictions at the same time as the schools going back? Or relax them during the school holidays when more people are outside and the weather is far warmer.
Doing the two within days is madness imo.
I know you've gone all Jimmy Krankie since you moved up here last year but people are allowed to question St Nicola you know. |
It's difficult for me to say, not being privvy to the kind of public health advice that will have informed the decision-making. | |
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| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 15:40 - Aug 26 with 2000 views | GlasgowBlue |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 15:30 - Aug 26 by gordon |
I would wait and see what case numbers look like in England a week or so after schools go back before assessing the different approaches. |
There will obvioulsy be an increase when schools go back.
But back to my original point. England relaxed restrictions during the warmer weather and when the kids were off school. Scotland decided to keep restrictions in place during the warmer weather and when the kids were off school. We then relaxed the restrictions at the same time as the kids went back to school.
Mass mixing in schools, mass mixing in pubs (more in than out as it's cooler), 18+ all going mad for it in nightclubs for the first time in 18 months. And a month closer to winter.
A perfect storm.
From an business point of view, English businesses have had nearly two months of freedom to trade normally, and worse case scenario won't face a lockdown until October if at all, whilst those of us here in Scotland have had less than three weeks and we already being told we may have to shut again.
From my point of view England got it right and Scotland got it wrong. Herbie can bang on about me criticising Sturgeon, but having been shut for something like 9 of the past 17 months whilst having to work at half capacity for the other 11, my finical position takes precedence over political point scoring. | |
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| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 15:45 - Aug 26 with 1987 views | Herbivore |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 15:40 - Aug 26 by GlasgowBlue |
There will obvioulsy be an increase when schools go back.
But back to my original point. England relaxed restrictions during the warmer weather and when the kids were off school. Scotland decided to keep restrictions in place during the warmer weather and when the kids were off school. We then relaxed the restrictions at the same time as the kids went back to school.
Mass mixing in schools, mass mixing in pubs (more in than out as it's cooler), 18+ all going mad for it in nightclubs for the first time in 18 months. And a month closer to winter.
A perfect storm.
From an business point of view, English businesses have had nearly two months of freedom to trade normally, and worse case scenario won't face a lockdown until October if at all, whilst those of us here in Scotland have had less than three weeks and we already being told we may have to shut again.
From my point of view England got it right and Scotland got it wrong. Herbie can bang on about me criticising Sturgeon, but having been shut for something like 9 of the past 17 months whilst having to work at half capacity for the other 11, my finical position takes precedence over political point scoring. |
The kids were still at school when England unlocked, Glassers, although many year groups at many schools were self isolating because so much Covid was circulating. Case numbers are starting to rise again in England as well before schools are even going back. I'm not sure the evidence is there to say England got it right. | |
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| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 16:41 - Aug 26 with 1900 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 11:55 - Aug 26 by Swansea_Blue |
We've just normalised the numbers. Whilst current cases aren't as high as some worse case forecasts, they're still right up there with some of the largest weekly case numbers we've seen. It's only the Jan and July peaks that were larger, and only over a relatively short period. All part of the learning to live with it strategy.
Scotland does look especially bad though - they're at their worse stage. NI also seem to be heading into record cases, and Wales' numbers are rising very steeply too.
I won't be surprised in the slightest if they have to consider lockdowns again for the whole of the UK, irrespective of what they're saying now. |
Correct.
https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=eur&areas=irl&areas=n92000002 |  | | |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 17:01 - Aug 26 with 1880 views | rattram |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 12:58 - Aug 26 by WD19 |
The surveillance studies being run in conjunction with various academic institutions publish all of this data. You just need to make the effort to wade through it.....which few people bother to do. The positive impact of vaccination is clear to see. |
Glasgowblue is perfectly entitled to his anti SNP rant, but the figures show that 1/3 of the new Covid cases in Scotland are people of school age, who have just returned to the class room. England's turn is coming i'm afraid | | | |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 17:13 - Aug 26 with 1862 views | gordon |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 15:33 - Aug 26 by hype313 |
Case numbers will inevitably go up, we will all get Covid, probably multiple times in our lifetime, but for the majority now it will be a few days of feeling rough.
None of us can escape it, but we have a vaccine and now treatments that are coming to the front line should it get nasty for someone.
It's endemic now, the question is do we keep shutting down society or not? |
Don't really think that is the question anymore, unless you consider masks and a bit of sensible social distancing to be 'shutting down society.' | | | |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 17:23 - Aug 26 with 1844 views | Swansea_Blue |
| New lockdown looming for Scotland on 12:14 - Aug 26 by GlasgowBlue |
I've noticed Wales cases getting quite high recently.
Are kids back at school there yet? |
Yep, they're on a steep upward trend (7 day average around 1,500 but doubling every 2 weeks). The rate of increase is partly because they were so low in the first place, but numbers are now getting serious again. We're still some way off the peaks of the past, but getting there.
Schools don't start back until the 2nd Sept (7 week holiday this year). We've seen a total breakdown in measures, despite quite strongly given advice to mask up and social distance. It's ok in shops still; very rare you see someone around Swansea without a mask. But cafes, bars and the like are rammed. And events are back on, also rammed.
I don't know but I suspect tourism is playing a part. Tourist spots are busier than I've ever seen and mask wearing and social distancing looks to be less prevalent in those areas. (I'm not implying that we're importing bad habits, it could just be people kicking back on holiday or the busyness making social distancing almost impossible).
The only good news is that it's clear the vaccines are doing their part in keeping the deaths down. Get vaccinate everyone! |  |
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