| September Points? 10:24 - Sep 9 with 6575 views | jayessess |
Bolton (H)
Lincoln (A)
Sheff Wed (H)
Doncaster (H)
What's your (a) predicted points (b) bare minimum to keep Cookie in the game?
I reckon 7 points (Win against Bolton and Wednesday, draw with Lincoln, lose to Doncaster) and the bare minimum is 4. |  |
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| September Points? on 16:18 - Sep 9 with 1346 views | unstableblue |
| September Points? on 13:48 - Sep 9 by Dubtractor |
It's got to be a minimum of 7, less than that and the task for the rest of the season becomes that much harder .
I'm still angry at Hladky's cock up at the end of the late game. Win that game and the whole mood will have been different over the last 2 weeks. We'd all be looking at the positives, despite a shaky end to that game. [Post edited 9 Sep 2021 13:50]
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Agreed
That Hdalky error has really inhibited confidence and progress… going into the Bolton game with a win under our belts we’re a different proposition
Going to Lincoln still without a win is a grim prospect.
Bolton will have a lot of the ball; we’re going to raise the energy and do it without Morsy |  |
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| September Points? on 16:33 - Sep 9 with 1329 views | itfcjoe |
| September Points? on 16:11 - Sep 9 by unstableblue |
We have to win two games as the absolute minimum. Bolton and Doncaster home games look our best chance of 3 points. 7 points overall seems a minimum target.
We simply have to start winning though.
Can’t keep kicking the can down the road.
Do we NEED to beat Bolton Saturday? Is it a MUST win game. Not I suppose if you say 7 points overall from the 4 games.
BUT, we’re going to make it much much easier for ourselves if we go into Lincoln with 3 points under our belts. 6 games without a win, starts to look a real issue.
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You get up to 7 or 8 games without a win and you may as well make a change - coupled with last seasons form you just have to accept things aren't going to work.
Similar to 2008/09 under Keane - if you can't win games then something fundamental needs to happen.
Win on Saturday and it's very different, but we can't keep saying that |  |
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| September Points? on 16:51 - Sep 9 with 1298 views | unstableblue |
| September Points? on 16:33 - Sep 9 by itfcjoe |
You get up to 7 or 8 games without a win and you may as well make a change - coupled with last seasons form you just have to accept things aren't going to work.
Similar to 2008/09 under Keane - if you can't win games then something fundamental needs to happen.
Win on Saturday and it's very different, but we can't keep saying that |
Ipswich have not been winning MUST win games for so long now… it’s like a deep issue at the club
How soon is now Joe?
I do wipe the slate clean for Cook for the games end of last season; I look at the released players compared to what we have now, and it feels like a weak squad Cook had at the end of last season, it really does.
But yeah as you say 8 games without a win would start to look really bad; and possible if we don’t beat Bolton.
I do think the partnerships are forming, I do think the keeper was needed. I also think Morsy was needed, but we can’t rely on his appearance to be able to win games. We have 2 first elevens.
If we only get a few points from the next run, we’re what 15-16 points off automatic.
I still have faith in Cook though, who better? And a win and also seeing his system and approach clicking Saturday and we’ll be having a very different conversation!! [Post edited 9 Sep 2021 16:58]
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| September Points? on 16:57 - Sep 9 with 1283 views | abracaDOBRA_ |
| September Points? on 16:51 - Sep 9 by unstableblue |
Ipswich have not been winning MUST win games for so long now… it’s like a deep issue at the club
How soon is now Joe?
I do wipe the slate clean for Cook for the games end of last season; I look at the released players compared to what we have now, and it feels like a weak squad Cook had at the end of last season, it really does.
But yeah as you say 8 games without a win would start to look really bad; and possible if we don’t beat Bolton.
I do think the partnerships are forming, I do think the keeper was needed. I also think Morsy was needed, but we can’t rely on his appearance to be able to win games. We have 2 first elevens.
If we only get a few points from the next run, we’re what 15-16 points off automatic.
I still have faith in Cook though, who better? And a win and also seeing his system and approach clicking Saturday and we’ll be having a very different conversation!! [Post edited 9 Sep 2021 16:58]
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Do you genuinely think this squad is weaker than the last? |  | | |
| September Points? on 17:00 - Sep 9 with 1273 views | unstableblue |
| September Points? on 16:57 - Sep 9 by abracaDOBRA_ |
Do you genuinely think this squad is weaker than the last? |
Are you joking?
I have updated the English in my post.
The point I was making is that Cooks poor run can be justified by looking at comparing that weak squad he inherited to what he has now.
Jackson, Chambo, Ward, Edwards… even Dozzell (the latter two not really getting games now) start to look really poor | |
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| September Points? on 17:39 - Sep 9 with 1239 views | Herbivore |
| September Points? on 17:00 - Sep 9 by unstableblue |
Are you joking?
I have updated the English in my post.
The point I was making is that Cooks poor run can be justified by looking at comparing that weak squad he inherited to what he has now.
Jackson, Chambo, Ward, Edwards… even Dozzell (the latter two not really getting games now) start to look really poor |
And yet that squad was top of the league at this stage last season. This team needs to start producing soon, it's all well and good it looking too good for League 1 on paper, we need points on the board. |  |
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| September Points? on 17:44 - Sep 9 with 1227 views | rgp1 |
| September Points? on 17:39 - Sep 9 by Herbivore |
And yet that squad was top of the league at this stage last season. This team needs to start producing soon, it's all well and good it looking too good for League 1 on paper, we need points on the board. |
Agreed and frustratingly most opposition teams seem to outfox us when they come to Portman Road. I'm sure Bolton have already observed the soft underbelly. |  | | |
| September Points? on 18:25 - Sep 9 with 1191 views | unstableblue |
| September Points? on 17:39 - Sep 9 by Herbivore |
And yet that squad was top of the league at this stage last season. This team needs to start producing soon, it's all well and good it looking too good for League 1 on paper, we need points on the board. |
A MUST win do you think Saturday Herby? | |
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| September Points? on 18:30 - Sep 9 with 1187 views | J2BLUE |
| September Points? on 18:25 - Sep 9 by unstableblue |
A MUST win do you think Saturday Herby? |
We badly need a win but it's not must win in any literal sense. That's a phrase that gets thrown around way too much. |  |
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| September Points? on 19:13 - Sep 9 with 1140 views | Herbivore |
| September Points? on 18:25 - Sep 9 by unstableblue |
A MUST win do you think Saturday Herby? |
No. A should win. A want us to win. But not a must win, no. | |
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| September Points? on 19:14 - Sep 9 with 1133 views | chrismakin |
| September Points? on 18:30 - Sep 9 by J2BLUE |
We badly need a win but it's not must win in any literal sense. That's a phrase that gets thrown around way too much. |
From probably one of the most patient on the forum
I'd say the home games must be won. Anything less and it will get dark around PR |  |
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| September Points? on 19:15 - Sep 9 with 1136 views | CokeIsKey |
| September Points? on 18:25 - Sep 9 by unstableblue |
A MUST win do you think Saturday Herby? |
It's a must win for Cook, if anything. |  |
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| September Points? on 19:45 - Sep 9 with 1101 views | Bobbychase |
Cook may end up being under pressure from some fans but from everything I've read with the Gamechanger trio and Mark Ashton, he will not be under pressure from them anytime.
And they have, so far, earned the right to ask for our patience. |  |
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| September Points? on 19:48 - Sep 9 with 1099 views | jayessess |
| September Points? on 19:45 - Sep 9 by Bobbychase |
Cook may end up being under pressure from some fans but from everything I've read with the Gamechanger trio and Mark Ashton, he will not be under pressure from them anytime.
And they have, so far, earned the right to ask for our patience. |
I don't think there's a single club in the entire EFL where 3 points from 9 doesn't put you on the verge of the sack. | |
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| September Points? on 20:18 - Sep 9 with 1071 views | Bobbychase |
| September Points? on 19:48 - Sep 9 by jayessess |
I don't think there's a single club in the entire EFL where 3 points from 9 doesn't put you on the verge of the sack. |
There's ours, where the owners and CEO have said they are in for the long haul, and one of the owners (Brett Johnson) said that he is not even assuming we get promoted this season.
We can complain from the stands and talk about "must-win" games all we want, the people at the top are saying something entirely different. | |
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| September Points? on 20:18 - Sep 9 with 1070 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
He needs 3 wins from next five. If he doesn't get this, I believe he should be sacked. |  |
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| September Points? on 20:20 - Sep 9 with 1069 views | Bobbychase |
| September Points? on 20:18 - Sep 9 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
He needs 3 wins from next five. If he doesn't get this, I believe he should be sacked. |
So even if the owners and CEO, who have heavily backed him financially, say he is under no pressure, we should call for him to be sacked?
I just don't get it. It's like nobody has been listening to a word Gamechanger or Mark Ashton have said. | |
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| September Points? on 20:37 - Sep 9 with 1038 views | jayessess |
| September Points? on 20:18 - Sep 9 by Bobbychase |
There's ours, where the owners and CEO have said they are in for the long haul, and one of the owners (Brett Johnson) said that he is not even assuming we get promoted this season.
We can complain from the stands and talk about "must-win" games all we want, the people at the top are saying something entirely different. |
Being "in for the long haul" doesn't mean "literally any sequence of results is tolerable". There are absolutely going to be limits to that.
You're also interpreting it to mean Paul Cook or bust" and it won't be. It'll just be that they have a financial plan b if things don't go according to plan a. | |
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| September Points? on 20:42 - Sep 9 with 1033 views | Bobbychase |
| September Points? on 20:37 - Sep 9 by jayessess |
Being "in for the long haul" doesn't mean "literally any sequence of results is tolerable". There are absolutely going to be limits to that.
You're also interpreting it to mean Paul Cook or bust" and it won't be. It'll just be that they have a financial plan b if things don't go according to plan a. |
I've no doubt they have a Plan B. And probably Plans C and D as well.
But the idea they would let him bring in players like Morsy and Walton, for example, who have been partly lured here because they have played for Cook before, and then call Cook in three games later and tell him to sort it out, is ludicrous.
They will give him far, far more time than some of our fans seem willing to. Which is bonkers when you think about it. | |
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| September Points? on 20:51 - Sep 9 with 1019 views | jayessess |
| September Points? on 20:42 - Sep 9 by Bobbychase |
I've no doubt they have a Plan B. And probably Plans C and D as well.
But the idea they would let him bring in players like Morsy and Walton, for example, who have been partly lured here because they have played for Cook before, and then call Cook in three games later and tell him to sort it out, is ludicrous.
They will give him far, far more time than some of our fans seem willing to. Which is bonkers when you think about it. |
I think you're looking at this wrong. I agree the owners will be determined to give him as much time as they possibly can, but that's always conditional on being above a certain bar.
The bar at the moment isn't high but there's still a bar. If we'd lost every game in August 6-0, he'd be near enough packing his bags. It still won't be high in September, but it'll still be there and it'll be a little higher. No-one loses 6 from 9 and isn't in big trouble.
I've no doubt Evans had no intention of firing Hurst during his first season, but sometimes results that bad force your hand. | |
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| September Points? on 21:02 - Sep 9 with 1005 views | Bobbychase |
| September Points? on 20:51 - Sep 9 by jayessess |
I think you're looking at this wrong. I agree the owners will be determined to give him as much time as they possibly can, but that's always conditional on being above a certain bar.
The bar at the moment isn't high but there's still a bar. If we'd lost every game in August 6-0, he'd be near enough packing his bags. It still won't be high in September, but it'll still be there and it'll be a little higher. No-one loses 6 from 9 and isn't in big trouble.
I've no doubt Evans had no intention of firing Hurst during his first season, but sometimes results that bad force your hand. |
We are nowhere near the performances and results under Hurst though.
And it was very clear pretty early on we had bought players out of their depth.
This time we've bought players, many of whom could, or have been, playing in the division above.
Of course if we lost the next six in a row questions would be asked. | |
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| September Points? on 21:19 - Sep 9 with 983 views | rgp1 |
I mentioned in the thread earlier about being outfoxed by opposition tactics, as Mick Mills said perhaps Cook needs some more experience in his coaching staff. | | | |
| September Points? on 22:01 - Sep 9 with 959 views | xrayspecs |
I reckon at least six
There is no minimum. The idea that Cook's job is on the line in the near future is completely ridiculous. | | | |
| September Points? on 22:03 - Sep 9 with 958 views | xrayspecs |
| September Points? on 13:36 - Sep 9 by Herbivore |
We need to be aiming for a minimum of 7 points from those games, ideally more. Less than that is unlikely to see him lose his job (although if we lost all four I wonder if that might test the new regime's patience) but it won't do anything to quash the unease either. |
Having invested so heavily in a squad that plays the Paul Cook way, you are not going to sack him after two months and bring another manager in. | | | |
| September Points? on 22:04 - Sep 9 with 957 views | Herbivore |
| September Points? on 22:03 - Sep 9 by xrayspecs |
Having invested so heavily in a squad that plays the Paul Cook way, you are not going to sack him after two months and bring another manager in. |
As I'm not the owner it's unlikely, you're right. | |
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