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It certainly wouldn't be the Tories, the longer they remain in power the worse they appear and I just don't see Starmer as a leader, so uninspiring. I then think if I voted for anyone else it would be a wasted vote and would have little impact. I do firmly believe the door is wide open for Labour to take advantage, but not with their current leadership. So in answer to your question Unstableblue, I really don't know currently!!
If there was General Election tomorrow, who would you vote for? on 10:43 - Oct 14 by The_Major
This mob in power ain't Conservative. You've only got to look at the reactions of most former Conservative politicians who served before 2010 for evidence of that. What we have in power is a UKIP/Daily Mail coalition led by the single most inappropriate individual ever to hold the office of Prime Minister. And whilst I wouldn't vote Conservative, I would gladly be happy for more sensible true Tories to take over like....well, basically like most of those who the pork haystack threw out prior to the 2019 election.
Anyhow, as things stand in the Great TWTD Poll, popping those results into the Electoral Calculus website gives a Conservative Majority of 16. I reckon that's a pretty accurate prediction. A greatly reduced majority this time round, Johnson sees which way the wind is blowing as he realises it'll be a lot more hassle this time round, so chucks it in, Liz Truss takes over, and then Labour win the next one called in say 2028.
*Cut to Johnson celebrating Blair style landslide in 2024*
Sure they are. They're just now saying out loud what they used to reserve for fringe meetings, parish councils and the golf club.
I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
If there was General Election tomorrow, who would you vote for? on 13:24 - Oct 14 by Chrisd
It certainly wouldn't be the Tories, the longer they remain in power the worse they appear and I just don't see Starmer as a leader, so uninspiring. I then think if I voted for anyone else it would be a wasted vote and would have little impact. I do firmly believe the door is wide open for Labour to take advantage, but not with their current leadership. So in answer to your question Unstableblue, I really don't know currently!!
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This is where I’m at - unless Count Binface forms a party or Larry the Downing St cat gives it a go
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If there was General Election tomorrow, who would you vote for? on 15:31 - Oct 14 with 1245 views
If there was General Election tomorrow, who would you vote for? on 13:24 - Oct 14 by Chrisd
It certainly wouldn't be the Tories, the longer they remain in power the worse they appear and I just don't see Starmer as a leader, so uninspiring. I then think if I voted for anyone else it would be a wasted vote and would have little impact. I do firmly believe the door is wide open for Labour to take advantage, but not with their current leadership. So in answer to your question Unstableblue, I really don't know currently!!
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I know what you mean about starmer as a leader, but to be fair to Labour 'uninspiring' is orders of magnitude better than corruption, bigotry, constant lying, depleted services, destroying the economy, dogwhislting, incompetence, worse public health response ever and all round general nastiness.
It's not really a competition as long as you have an interest in living in a fairer, better off, healthier and better respected country.
If there was General Election tomorrow, who would you vote for? on 16:16 - Oct 14 by Swansea_Blue
I know what you mean about starmer as a leader, but to be fair to Labour 'uninspiring' is orders of magnitude better than corruption, bigotry, constant lying, depleted services, destroying the economy, dogwhislting, incompetence, worse public health response ever and all round general nastiness.
It's not really a competition as long as you have an interest in living in a fairer, better off, healthier and better respected country.
The problem is that Labour aren’t going to win an election on their own, current merits. Not only is the leadership incredibly uninspiring and totally bereft of ideas but they have their own problems with lying, corruption and incompetence. The more the electorate see of them the less they like – and that’s before the Forde Report and its aftermath.
They’re going to do very little except cement their own positions on the left (or rather centre-right) of the establishment. Meanwhile the Tories cruise on, structural problems and 21st Century challenges stay unaddressed, and perhaps the United Kingdom breaks up too.
I’d go so far to say the Labour Party and the Centrist Duds who support them are the biggest danger facing us. We know Tories are going to Tory, but the sheer absence of a credible opposition and alternative just makes everything much worse.
We need something radical like a progressive alliance with politicians from a range of opposition parties who are genuinely committed to a change of direction. Let’s get Clive Lewis in who is one of the few politicians to call for that from the start.
If there was General Election tomorrow, who would you vote for? on 17:28 - Oct 14 by Darth_Koont
The problem is that Labour aren’t going to win an election on their own, current merits. Not only is the leadership incredibly uninspiring and totally bereft of ideas but they have their own problems with lying, corruption and incompetence. The more the electorate see of them the less they like – and that’s before the Forde Report and its aftermath.
They’re going to do very little except cement their own positions on the left (or rather centre-right) of the establishment. Meanwhile the Tories cruise on, structural problems and 21st Century challenges stay unaddressed, and perhaps the United Kingdom breaks up too.
I’d go so far to say the Labour Party and the Centrist Duds who support them are the biggest danger facing us. We know Tories are going to Tory, but the sheer absence of a credible opposition and alternative just makes everything much worse.
We need something radical like a progressive alliance with politicians from a range of opposition parties who are genuinely committed to a change of direction. Let’s get Clive Lewis in who is one of the few politicians to call for that from the start.
Downvotes from the death cult 😢
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If there was General Election tomorrow, who would you vote for? on 19:54 - Oct 14 with 1028 views
If there was General Election tomorrow, who would you vote for? on 17:28 - Oct 14 by Darth_Koont
The problem is that Labour aren’t going to win an election on their own, current merits. Not only is the leadership incredibly uninspiring and totally bereft of ideas but they have their own problems with lying, corruption and incompetence. The more the electorate see of them the less they like – and that’s before the Forde Report and its aftermath.
They’re going to do very little except cement their own positions on the left (or rather centre-right) of the establishment. Meanwhile the Tories cruise on, structural problems and 21st Century challenges stay unaddressed, and perhaps the United Kingdom breaks up too.
I’d go so far to say the Labour Party and the Centrist Duds who support them are the biggest danger facing us. We know Tories are going to Tory, but the sheer absence of a credible opposition and alternative just makes everything much worse.
We need something radical like a progressive alliance with politicians from a range of opposition parties who are genuinely committed to a change of direction. Let’s get Clive Lewis in who is one of the few politicians to call for that from the start.
Not sure what your personal economic status is and don't need to know but it's often those who don't need the help who won't compromise. I was struck by talking to a woman at work who told me how much tax credits helped her. Sure start helped thousands. The NHS was revitalised. I would never support the IRAQ war but you seem to purport a very rigid narative that unless some very very radical change is made then no-one is any better off whoever is in charge. Maybe you can afford to hold that view, many can't.
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If there was General Election tomorrow, who would you vote for? on 20:16 - Oct 14 with 998 views
If there was General Election tomorrow, who would you vote for? on 20:07 - Oct 14 by reusersfreekicks
Not sure what your personal economic status is and don't need to know but it's often those who don't need the help who won't compromise. I was struck by talking to a woman at work who told me how much tax credits helped her. Sure start helped thousands. The NHS was revitalised. I would never support the IRAQ war but you seem to purport a very rigid narative that unless some very very radical change is made then no-one is any better off whoever is in charge. Maybe you can afford to hold that view, many can't.
That was the policy during a global economic uplift. What was the policy when the economy failed?
Maybe you can approve of that conditional support, I can’t. We need to support people and invest in the UK as a whole especially when things get tough– that’s what real governments and societies do.
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If there was General Election tomorrow, who would you vote for? on 20:23 - Oct 14 with 993 views
If there was General Election tomorrow, who would you vote for? on 23:39 - Oct 13 by Clapham_Junction
But that's not the choice. Whoever is PM will not wield sole power — you have to consider what kind of ministers and MPs that party has. It's not just Johnson running the show, it's an entire shower of bastards. And even if you think Starmer is a bit weak, he's still an infinitely better choice than the awful human being we have in charge at the moment.
And ultimately you're voting for your local MP. Would you rather have a Sandy Martin or a Tom Hunt? I would hope most people would be in the 'anyone but Hunt' category and would vote for whoever was most likely to send him packing back to Ely.
My MP is neither, I live in North West Essex and she wins with majorities of 25k or something silly. Waste of time, anyhow if Blue Labour wins nothing will change either way.
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If there was General Election tomorrow, who would you vote for? on 00:11 - Oct 15 with 852 views
If there was General Election tomorrow, who would you vote for? on 21:48 - Oct 14 by Burns7
My MP is neither, I live in North West Essex and she wins with majorities of 25k or something silly. Waste of time, anyhow if Blue Labour wins nothing will change either way.
Fair enough. We desperately need a new electoral system so safe seats cease to exist and everyone cam feel their vote actually matters.
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If there was General Election tomorrow, who would you vote for? on 06:37 - Oct 15 with 782 views
If there was General Election tomorrow, who would you vote for? on 20:07 - Oct 14 by reusersfreekicks
Not sure what your personal economic status is and don't need to know but it's often those who don't need the help who won't compromise. I was struck by talking to a woman at work who told me how much tax credits helped her. Sure start helped thousands. The NHS was revitalised. I would never support the IRAQ war but you seem to purport a very rigid narative that unless some very very radical change is made then no-one is any better off whoever is in charge. Maybe you can afford to hold that view, many can't.
It’s all very well saying New Labour was better than the Conservatives, and it no doubt was, but the current version, watered down, weak and lacking anyone with the drive or personality of Blair to grab positive attention of the populace or the press, is hardly in a position to take over against the worst government possibly ever.