| Genuine question …. 15:30 - Nov 21 with 6705 views | backwaywhen |
Is Paul Cook making us a bang average side ? When the squad we have assembled should be doing much better , for me he still lacks the extra ingredient needed at all levels …. Tactical nouse !
Let’s be honest it is certainly looking that way . |  | | |  |
| Genuine question …. on 18:49 - Nov 21 with 1122 views | BlueBadger |
| Genuine question …. on 18:48 - Nov 21 by hunty21 |
I disagree cook is the reason we are getting good players in, and the feel good factor is back the atmosphere is better the performance quality is higher , yes we lost against Sunderland but you cant knock our style and relationship with the fans, we are improving and have been consistent with the level we play at we have shown on our dsy we can thrash teams when we convert our chances, we should of won yesterday |
Any halfway competent manager with our budget should be able to secure the quality of player we have.
They'd probably also have succeeded in 'gelling' us by now, as well. |  |
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| Genuine question …. on 18:52 - Nov 21 with 1106 views | gtsb1966 |
| Genuine question …. on 18:48 - Nov 21 by hunty21 |
I disagree cook is the reason we are getting good players in, and the feel good factor is back the atmosphere is better the performance quality is higher , yes we lost against Sunderland but you cant knock our style and relationship with the fans, we are improving and have been consistent with the level we play at we have shown on our dsy we can thrash teams when we convert our chances, we should of won yesterday |
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| Genuine question …. on 18:57 - Nov 21 with 1102 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Genuine question …. on 17:00 - Nov 21 by TheBlueGnu |
eeer - because despite spending loads of cash, we are 10th and only just ahead of Cheltenham in the league who have a tiny budget. |
Have Cheltenham changed their entire club from top to bottom?
Honestly, some of you on here think real life is like a computer game - just buy all the best players and go straight to the top of the league. |  |
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| Genuine question …. on 19:02 - Nov 21 with 1087 views | Churchman |
| Genuine question …. on 17:44 - Nov 21 by backwaywhen |
Some valid points Churchman , now in your opinion is there something missing with the current tactics and set up that is stopping us being a more consistent force ? |
I wish I had an answer to your question Backwaywhen. My fear is that Cook is just a poor ‘fit’ for the club. I don’t know why, but sometimes it just doesn’t work out. I’m thinking here of David Moyse. Brilliant at Everton, awful following that and now brilliant again at West Ham. Right people right place? Hopefully that’s not the case with Cook. A subjective view, I know.
Maybe all the change at the club behind the scenes (excellent for the long term and long over due) means the team and Cook just aren’t settled yet. Perhaps despite the hype, some of the players just aren’t good enough or the mix isn’t right. A combination?
Back to your point, Cook obviously has his way of playing and has got success with it. Surely he must know what is missing to repeat that? If he needs a coach, Peter Reid or the Banana Splits to tell him what it is then oh dear.
The frustration is that it’s clear when they do get a grip, the opposition is in trouble, as Portsmouth and WW, both higher in the league than us, found out. The long term future of the club is the best it’s been in years. That’s also adding to my frustration. We will get there though, hopefully with PC. The bloke is clearly giving it his best.
I wouldn’t be at all surprised if we won on Tuesday. They’re capable of it. |  | | |
| Genuine question …. on 19:22 - Nov 21 with 1070 views | Bobbychase |
| Genuine question …. on 17:59 - Nov 21 by BlueBadger |
'LOL we're mid table but selling loads of tickets' is about as 'Norwich City' as you can get. |
Ticket sales are one element of a broader picture. And we wouldn't be averaging 20,000ish in L1 if the football wasn't good.
Just to clarify, you see no reason to be happy and optimistic that lots of people have returned to the stadium who left in the Mick era, and that a new generation of fans seems to be getting on board with ITFC? I'm a starry-eyed happy clapper for enjoying the improved mood around the club after so many years of terrible football, non-existent atmosphere and the only good players being the ones on loan? |  |
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| Genuine question …. on 19:24 - Nov 21 with 1064 views | Bobbychase |
| Genuine question …. on 17:51 - Nov 21 by blueboyd |
*Top of the 'entertainment' league
*Top of the Atmosphere League
*Top of the Succesful Summer Signings League
*Top of the "we've sold a lot of tickets because they are cheap' League.
All while sitting 10th in League One, the 3rd tier of English football with just 6 wins out of 18 games this season...
The way people judge this team by anything other than league position baffles me, we are as good as the position we are in, so 10th, with a massive budget, a massive squad, massive wages and a large fanbase who love what is going on at the moment because they "wuv Cookeeeee"
This league is killing us, we need to get out of it and we should be doing so much better than we are. |
It was killing us under Evans.
The Gamechanger investment and the arrival of Ashton has transformed things off the pitch almost overnight. I'd like to go up this season, but if we take the Americans at their word, they are in this for the long haul, and so should we be. | |
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| Genuine question …. on 19:27 - Nov 21 with 1055 views | chrismakin |
| Genuine question …. on 19:24 - Nov 21 by Bobbychase |
It was killing us under Evans.
The Gamechanger investment and the arrival of Ashton has transformed things off the pitch almost overnight. I'd like to go up this season, but if we take the Americans at their word, they are in this for the long haul, and so should we be. |
The Americans are in it no different to how Evans was when he took over.
There will be a limit to how long they will fund an attempt at promotion. If we don't do it this season. It has to be next.. and if not.... Well we saw how it went with M.E once the purse strings were cut. |  |
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| Genuine question …. on 19:29 - Nov 21 with 1054 views | Herbivore |
| Genuine question …. on 16:19 - Nov 21 by Bobbychase |
I beg to differ. And I expect a lot of other Town fans would as well.
But the OP asked a genuine question and it deserved a genuine answer. |
By what measure is he not failing? He was initially brought in to try and take us up last season and he fell well short and got us doing worse than Lambert. He was backed heavily to rebuild in the summer to challenge for promotion this season and we currently sit 10th after 18 games, well off the pace and needing to sustain auto promotion form for over half a season just to scrape into be play offs. How is that anything other than failing? |  |
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| Genuine question …. on 19:30 - Nov 21 with 1049 views | Bobbychase |
| Genuine question …. on 19:27 - Nov 21 by chrismakin |
The Americans are in it no different to how Evans was when he took over.
There will be a limit to how long they will fund an attempt at promotion. If we don't do it this season. It has to be next.. and if not.... Well we saw how it went with M.E once the purse strings were cut. |
If you cannot see the differences between Brett Johnson, Detmer etc and Evans then I am very worried for you. | |
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| Genuine question …. on 19:33 - Nov 21 with 1040 views | Bobbychase |
| Genuine question …. on 19:29 - Nov 21 by Herbivore |
By what measure is he not failing? He was initially brought in to try and take us up last season and he fell well short and got us doing worse than Lambert. He was backed heavily to rebuild in the summer to challenge for promotion this season and we currently sit 10th after 18 games, well off the pace and needing to sustain auto promotion form for over half a season just to scrape into be play offs. How is that anything other than failing? |
It's Ok to disagree friend.
You think he's failing. I, and a lot of Town fans I know, think he has assembled a very good squad that has underperformed compared to our pre-season expectations but the trajectory of travel is going the right way. And after the last decade, that's enough for me for now. | |
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| Genuine question …. on 19:35 - Nov 21 with 1034 views | chrismakin |
| Genuine question …. on 19:30 - Nov 21 by Bobbychase |
If you cannot see the differences between Brett Johnson, Detmer etc and Evans then I am very worried for you. |
At the moment there is nothing to compare. | |
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| Genuine question …. on 19:37 - Nov 21 with 1032 views | Bobbychase |
| Genuine question …. on 19:35 - Nov 21 by chrismakin |
At the moment there is nothing to compare. |
And yet
"The Americans are in it no different to how Evans was when he took over." | |
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| ‘A bang average side’ the board is now reaching peak mentalism!!! on 19:39 - Nov 21 with 1036 views | unstableblue |
“Ipswich are a very good side, a really good professional organisation who will be right up there. To get a win, after the recent run we've had, is really important for us and the project.”
Sunderland manager who just put six players behind the ball for 90mins and been played off the park for 45mins
“They are a good side, a very good side but so are we, and I am proud of the boys.”
Wycombe manager after been destroyed for 70mins in one of Towns best performance in recent years, 3 league games ago, beating a side who had won all home games
No one is happy with our points tally, and ability to turn strong performances into wins.
But ‘bang average side’ it’s so ridiculous…. We’re just about to sell out our first league game for a decade
We really are in danger of cutting off our nose to spite our face here |  |
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| Genuine question …. on 19:42 - Nov 21 with 1025 views | chrismakin |
| Genuine question …. on 19:37 - Nov 21 by Bobbychase |
And yet
"The Americans are in it no different to how Evans was when he took over." |
Well yes. They purchased the club and wanted promotion from it. At the moment it's looking unlikely this season. So we will see next season maybe. After that who knows. | |
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| ‘A bang average side’ the board is now reaching peak mentalism!!! on 19:43 - Nov 21 with 1024 views | Bobbychase |
| ‘A bang average side’ the board is now reaching peak mentalism!!! on 19:39 - Nov 21 by unstableblue |
“Ipswich are a very good side, a really good professional organisation who will be right up there. To get a win, after the recent run we've had, is really important for us and the project.”
Sunderland manager who just put six players behind the ball for 90mins and been played off the park for 45mins
“They are a good side, a very good side but so are we, and I am proud of the boys.”
Wycombe manager after been destroyed for 70mins in one of Towns best performance in recent years, 3 league games ago, beating a side who had won all home games
No one is happy with our points tally, and ability to turn strong performances into wins.
But ‘bang average side’ it’s so ridiculous…. We’re just about to sell out our first league game for a decade
We really are in danger of cutting off our nose to spite our face here |
And for what reason are we cutting off our nose to spite our face? I really cannot fathom it.
We had amazing starts to both L1 seasons under Lambert and were top for long periods. Look where that got us, Where is the legacy of that era? KVY and El Mizouni, that's about it. | |
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| ‘A bang average side’ the board is now reaching peak mentalism!!! on 19:46 - Nov 21 with 1019 views | MattinLondon |
| ‘A bang average side’ the board is now reaching peak mentalism!!! on 19:39 - Nov 21 by unstableblue |
“Ipswich are a very good side, a really good professional organisation who will be right up there. To get a win, after the recent run we've had, is really important for us and the project.”
Sunderland manager who just put six players behind the ball for 90mins and been played off the park for 45mins
“They are a good side, a very good side but so are we, and I am proud of the boys.”
Wycombe manager after been destroyed for 70mins in one of Towns best performance in recent years, 3 league games ago, beating a side who had won all home games
No one is happy with our points tally, and ability to turn strong performances into wins.
But ‘bang average side’ it’s so ridiculous…. We’re just about to sell out our first league game for a decade
We really are in danger of cutting off our nose to spite our face here |
Managers tend to ‘big up’ the opposition in order to try and make a win more impressive or to spin a defeat. They hardly going to say that they beat a poor team or lost to a bunch of donkeys.
We’re currently tenth in Division 3. By definition that is bang average.
I really want someone to change my mind on this as I want to feel more positive. |  | | |
| Genuine question …. on 19:47 - Nov 21 with 1016 views | Bobbychase |
| Genuine question …. on 19:42 - Nov 21 by chrismakin |
Well yes. They purchased the club and wanted promotion from it. At the moment it's looking unlikely this season. So we will see next season maybe. After that who knows. |
How many times have they said promotion this season is not guaranteed or assumed in their many, many interviews? I've lost count.
Every interview they give they talk about long-term plans. Where in the discussion of rebuilding parts of the stadium and the way we outbid Championship clubs for players like Morsy is the evidence that if we don't go up this season they'll cut and run?
They're either lying through their teeth - and I mean all of them, Johnson, Detmer, Berkay and Ashton and O'Leary - in some bizarre orchestrated prank that is simultaneously costing them a lot of money for which they will see zero return if they leave in the next couple of years, or we have landed on our feet spectacularly compared to many of our peers.
I know which I believe. | |
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| Genuine question …. on 19:54 - Nov 21 with 1003 views | chrismakin |
| Genuine question …. on 19:47 - Nov 21 by Bobbychase |
How many times have they said promotion this season is not guaranteed or assumed in their many, many interviews? I've lost count.
Every interview they give they talk about long-term plans. Where in the discussion of rebuilding parts of the stadium and the way we outbid Championship clubs for players like Morsy is the evidence that if we don't go up this season they'll cut and run?
They're either lying through their teeth - and I mean all of them, Johnson, Detmer, Berkay and Ashton and O'Leary - in some bizarre orchestrated prank that is simultaneously costing them a lot of money for which they will see zero return if they leave in the next couple of years, or we have landed on our feet spectacularly compared to many of our peers.
I know which I believe. |
Well yes. I included next season if not this season
Truth is no one knows how long the pension pot will remain involved. If we fail spectacularly like we did like Evans first 2 seasons... what will the third bring.. more support or will they start going the way Evans did.
That's why there is nothing to compare them with yet. We haven't succeeded or failed as yet to see. | |
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| Genuine question …. on 19:55 - Nov 21 with 1004 views | gazzer1999 |
| Genuine question …. on 19:47 - Nov 21 by Bobbychase |
How many times have they said promotion this season is not guaranteed or assumed in their many, many interviews? I've lost count.
Every interview they give they talk about long-term plans. Where in the discussion of rebuilding parts of the stadium and the way we outbid Championship clubs for players like Morsy is the evidence that if we don't go up this season they'll cut and run?
They're either lying through their teeth - and I mean all of them, Johnson, Detmer, Berkay and Ashton and O'Leary - in some bizarre orchestrated prank that is simultaneously costing them a lot of money for which they will see zero return if they leave in the next couple of years, or we have landed on our feet spectacularly compared to many of our peers.
I know which I believe. |
They are never going to admit in public that they expect promotion this season are they? Lets be honest statements of intent were made back I August with the players they signed, actions speak louder than words.
Mark Hughes at Man City was never taking them to next level when their owners came in and Cook is the same, just wait for the next appointment who will be bigger and better and maybe not British. |  | | |
| ‘A bang average side’ the board is now reaching peak mentalism!!! on 20:00 - Nov 21 with 996 views | unstableblue |
| ‘A bang average side’ the board is now reaching peak mentalism!!! on 19:46 - Nov 21 by MattinLondon |
Managers tend to ‘big up’ the opposition in order to try and make a win more impressive or to spin a defeat. They hardly going to say that they beat a poor team or lost to a bunch of donkeys.
We’re currently tenth in Division 3. By definition that is bang average.
I really want someone to change my mind on this as I want to feel more positive. |
OK substitute managers for opposition fans and sports journalists
Also we’re more you actually at Wycombe away or Sunderland away because I guarantee they were good performances from a strong Town team
But yes the points tally and league position is not good enough
Can we turn it around? I hope so
Do I think this sudden mass clamour for Cooks head is justifiable? Absolutely not
Are you going to sack a manager when the improved performances (along with a ticket promotion) have sold out PR - ridiculous | |
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| ‘A bang average side’ the board is now reaching peak mentalism!!! on 20:03 - Nov 21 with 995 views | gtsb1966 |
| ‘A bang average side’ the board is now reaching peak mentalism!!! on 19:39 - Nov 21 by unstableblue |
“Ipswich are a very good side, a really good professional organisation who will be right up there. To get a win, after the recent run we've had, is really important for us and the project.”
Sunderland manager who just put six players behind the ball for 90mins and been played off the park for 45mins
“They are a good side, a very good side but so are we, and I am proud of the boys.”
Wycombe manager after been destroyed for 70mins in one of Towns best performance in recent years, 3 league games ago, beating a side who had won all home games
No one is happy with our points tally, and ability to turn strong performances into wins.
But ‘bang average side’ it’s so ridiculous…. We’re just about to sell out our first league game for a decade
We really are in danger of cutting off our nose to spite our face here |
We're tenth. | | | |
| ‘A bang average side’ the board is now reaching peak mentalism!!! on 20:04 - Nov 21 with 993 views | LeoMuff |
| ‘A bang average side’ the board is now reaching peak mentalism!!! on 20:03 - Nov 21 by gtsb1966 |
We're tenth. |
It’s November. |  |
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| ‘A bang average side’ the board is now reaching peak mentalism!!! on 20:07 - Nov 21 with 989 views | MattinLondon |
| ‘A bang average side’ the board is now reaching peak mentalism!!! on 20:00 - Nov 21 by unstableblue |
OK substitute managers for opposition fans and sports journalists
Also we’re more you actually at Wycombe away or Sunderland away because I guarantee they were good performances from a strong Town team
But yes the points tally and league position is not good enough
Can we turn it around? I hope so
Do I think this sudden mass clamour for Cooks head is justifiable? Absolutely not
Are you going to sack a manager when the improved performances (along with a ticket promotion) have sold out PR - ridiculous |
Obviously I wouldn’t call for a managers head if the team with a very good budget were sitying high in the league…oh. | | | |
| ‘A bang average side’ the board is now reaching peak mentalism!!! on 20:08 - Nov 21 with 988 views | gtsb1966 |
| ‘A bang average side’ the board is now reaching peak mentalism!!! on 20:04 - Nov 21 by LeoMuff |
It’s November. |
I admire your optimism. Let's see where this thread goes in the new year . I hope it's you making me eat humble pie.,...but I doubt it. | | | |
| ‘A bang average side’ the board is now reaching peak mentalism!!! on 20:13 - Nov 21 with 980 views | MattinLondon |
| ‘A bang average side’ the board is now reaching peak mentalism!!! on 20:04 - Nov 21 by LeoMuff |
It’s November. |
40% of the season has been played. | | | |
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