| Genuine question …. 15:30 - Nov 21 with 6695 views | backwaywhen |
Is Paul Cook making us a bang average side ? When the squad we have assembled should be doing much better , for me he still lacks the extra ingredient needed at all levels …. Tactical nouse !
Let’s be honest it is certainly looking that way . |  | | |  |
| So sack Cook tomorrow then? That’s your call? on 20:16 - Nov 21 with 1178 views | unstableblue |
| ‘A bang average side’ the board is now reaching peak mentalism!!! on 20:07 - Nov 21 by MattinLondon |
Obviously I wouldn’t call for a managers head if the team with a very good budget were sitying high in the league…oh. |
If he’s that bad get him out of the door pronto
You’re that clear on it.
Right a letter to the club, EADT, do it now if you’re that incensed
18 new signings - most who have been excellent additions to this club, both on and off the pitch
First sold out game in years and years
Massive game Tuesday night against the promotion certs
3,250 fans travelling to Charlton
Loans doing incredibly well, youngsters into the team and signing contracts
Owners and CEO begging for patience
Yeah let’s sack Cook!!! Let’s do it now… and bring in… who? |  |
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| ‘A bang average side’ the board is now reaching peak mentalism!!! on 20:17 - Nov 21 with 1182 views | LeoMuff |
| ‘A bang average side’ the board is now reaching peak mentalism!!! on 20:08 - Nov 21 by gtsb1966 |
I admire your optimism. Let's see where this thread goes in the new year . I hope it's you making me eat humble pie.,...but I doubt it. |
Maybe, but even the biggest pessimist would say we have significantly improved and are decent to watch, that in itself is great news after the last 10 years.
I personally think we are very close to a top side here, top scorers in the league but work to be done at the back, but defensively we are hugely better in the last 10 games. |  |
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| So sack Cook tomorrow then? That’s your call? on 20:46 - Nov 21 with 1150 views | blueboyd |
| So sack Cook tomorrow then? That’s your call? on 20:16 - Nov 21 by unstableblue |
If he’s that bad get him out of the door pronto
You’re that clear on it.
Right a letter to the club, EADT, do it now if you’re that incensed
18 new signings - most who have been excellent additions to this club, both on and off the pitch
First sold out game in years and years
Massive game Tuesday night against the promotion certs
3,250 fans travelling to Charlton
Loans doing incredibly well, youngsters into the team and signing contracts
Owners and CEO begging for patience
Yeah let’s sack Cook!!! Let’s do it now… and bring in… who? |
Top of the 'Sold Out' Game League
Top of the 'Away fans' League
Top of the Loans doing well League
10th in the third tier of english football...
my sights are set higher than yours it seems. | | | |
| Genuine question …. on 20:47 - Nov 21 with 1151 views | gazzer1999 |
| Genuine question …. on 17:59 - Nov 21 by BlueBadger |
'LOL we're mid table but selling loads of tickets' is about as 'Norwich City' as you can get. |
Does that mean we get the open top bus ride when he wins 3 games on the bounce. |  | | |
| So sack Cook tomorrow then? That’s your call? on 21:25 - Nov 21 with 1120 views | CokeIsKey |
| So sack Cook tomorrow then? That’s your call? on 20:16 - Nov 21 by unstableblue |
If he’s that bad get him out of the door pronto
You’re that clear on it.
Right a letter to the club, EADT, do it now if you’re that incensed
18 new signings - most who have been excellent additions to this club, both on and off the pitch
First sold out game in years and years
Massive game Tuesday night against the promotion certs
3,250 fans travelling to Charlton
Loans doing incredibly well, youngsters into the team and signing contracts
Owners and CEO begging for patience
Yeah let’s sack Cook!!! Let’s do it now… and bring in… who? |
Why is everyone using the new ownership as an argument to keep Cook?
The new optimism, larger crowds, and expensive signings have all been to do with Ashton's hard work, and the American's promise to get us promoted. Cook's job relates to how we perform on the pitch, and so far we have been terrible - slow in possession, predictable, and easy to counter. When you consider Lambert, the supposed worst manager in our history managed to do better with a squad that's spine is largely playing in league 2 this season, it really is hard to understand why people are so afraid to criticise Cook.
The optimism isn't going to suddenly die if we admit something's not right and move on to a different coach, if anything having a well-coached team that consistently performs will take the optimism and support to another level.
It's so frustrating seeing how much potential our squad has but with such little effect. I live around Cambridge so see them quite often and their coach, Mark Bonner, is literally streets ahead of Cook. Tactically much more flexible, a better motivator, and gets a team of free transfers playing genuinely entertaining, fast-paced football.
There are probably 10 managers in league 1 that I would take right now who would be able to get us promoted at this stage but unfortunately not enough people can see it. |  |
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| ‘A bang average side’ the board is now reaching peak mentalism!!! on 21:25 - Nov 21 with 1119 views | Herbivore |
| ‘A bang average side’ the board is now reaching peak mentalism!!! on 19:39 - Nov 21 by unstableblue |
“Ipswich are a very good side, a really good professional organisation who will be right up there. To get a win, after the recent run we've had, is really important for us and the project.”
Sunderland manager who just put six players behind the ball for 90mins and been played off the park for 45mins
“They are a good side, a very good side but so are we, and I am proud of the boys.”
Wycombe manager after been destroyed for 70mins in one of Towns best performance in recent years, 3 league games ago, beating a side who had won all home games
No one is happy with our points tally, and ability to turn strong performances into wins.
But ‘bang average side’ it’s so ridiculous…. We’re just about to sell out our first league game for a decade
We really are in danger of cutting off our nose to spite our face here |
We don't get points for selling tickets, sadly. Sunderland would be out of this league already if that's how it worked. |  |
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| So sack Cook tomorrow then? That’s your call? on 21:29 - Nov 21 with 1110 views | Bobbychase |
| So sack Cook tomorrow then? That’s your call? on 20:46 - Nov 21 by blueboyd |
Top of the 'Sold Out' Game League
Top of the 'Away fans' League
Top of the Loans doing well League
10th in the third tier of english football...
my sights are set higher than yours it seems. |
Maybe his sights are set higher than yours because he wants to see how the current plan plays out rather than chuck it all up in the air? Have you considered that?
There's a weird logic around our club sometimes that anyone who is largely content must be naive or having the wool pulled over their eyes by shadowy forces. |  |
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| So sack Cook tomorrow then? That’s your call? on 21:31 - Nov 21 with 1107 views | Bobbychase |
| So sack Cook tomorrow then? That’s your call? on 21:25 - Nov 21 by CokeIsKey |
Why is everyone using the new ownership as an argument to keep Cook?
The new optimism, larger crowds, and expensive signings have all been to do with Ashton's hard work, and the American's promise to get us promoted. Cook's job relates to how we perform on the pitch, and so far we have been terrible - slow in possession, predictable, and easy to counter. When you consider Lambert, the supposed worst manager in our history managed to do better with a squad that's spine is largely playing in league 2 this season, it really is hard to understand why people are so afraid to criticise Cook.
The optimism isn't going to suddenly die if we admit something's not right and move on to a different coach, if anything having a well-coached team that consistently performs will take the optimism and support to another level.
It's so frustrating seeing how much potential our squad has but with such little effect. I live around Cambridge so see them quite often and their coach, Mark Bonner, is literally streets ahead of Cook. Tactically much more flexible, a better motivator, and gets a team of free transfers playing genuinely entertaining, fast-paced football.
There are probably 10 managers in league 1 that I would take right now who would be able to get us promoted at this stage but unfortunately not enough people can see it. |
That's twisting it a tad.
What some of us are saying is that people who are panicking because we are 10th in November seem to be inventing a deadline for when we HAVE to get promoted whereas the Americans have said, many times, they are in this for the long haul and are building something and they are prepared to be patient.
And there is no way on earth they would sack Cook given our recent good run of form (sorry moaners but statistically we are improving). | |
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| ‘A bang average side’ the board is now reaching peak mentalism!!! on 21:40 - Nov 21 with 1094 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| ‘A bang average side’ the board is now reaching peak mentalism!!! on 19:46 - Nov 21 by MattinLondon |
Managers tend to ‘big up’ the opposition in order to try and make a win more impressive or to spin a defeat. They hardly going to say that they beat a poor team or lost to a bunch of donkeys.
We’re currently tenth in Division 3. By definition that is bang average.
I really want someone to change my mind on this as I want to feel more positive. |
The reason we sit 10th is our poor start.
The reason for our poor start is we've completely gutted the club and are starting almost from scratch. That takes time to come together.
Up until quite recently we were top scorers in the entire football league.
Hope this helps. |  |
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| So sack Cook tomorrow then? That’s your call? on 21:41 - Nov 21 with 1087 views | Bobbychase |
| So sack Cook tomorrow then? That’s your call? on 21:25 - Nov 21 by CokeIsKey |
Why is everyone using the new ownership as an argument to keep Cook?
The new optimism, larger crowds, and expensive signings have all been to do with Ashton's hard work, and the American's promise to get us promoted. Cook's job relates to how we perform on the pitch, and so far we have been terrible - slow in possession, predictable, and easy to counter. When you consider Lambert, the supposed worst manager in our history managed to do better with a squad that's spine is largely playing in league 2 this season, it really is hard to understand why people are so afraid to criticise Cook.
The optimism isn't going to suddenly die if we admit something's not right and move on to a different coach, if anything having a well-coached team that consistently performs will take the optimism and support to another level.
It's so frustrating seeing how much potential our squad has but with such little effect. I live around Cambridge so see them quite often and their coach, Mark Bonner, is literally streets ahead of Cook. Tactically much more flexible, a better motivator, and gets a team of free transfers playing genuinely entertaining, fast-paced football.
There are probably 10 managers in league 1 that I would take right now who would be able to get us promoted at this stage but unfortunately not enough people can see it. |
And sorry, but this sentence: "and so far we have been terrible - slow in possession, predictable, and easy to counter. When you consider Lambert, the supposed worst manager in our history managed to do better with a squad that's spine is largely playing in league 2 this season,"
Lambert's team played better football and was more successful than the current squad, really?
We had two good starts and then dropped away like a stone after Christmas. And last season in particular the "possession football" we played was not only awful to watch it was completely ineffectual in creating chances. For months! We scored three goals in 10 games at one point last season. Three goals in ten games.
This season, until the Oxford game, we were the leading scorers in the division.
I fail to recognise the awful football you are describing under Cook this season. If we were as slow, predictable and easy to counter as you suggest then nobody would be going to the games. | |
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| So sack Cook tomorrow then? That’s your call? on 22:02 - Nov 21 with 1059 views | CokeIsKey |
| So sack Cook tomorrow then? That’s your call? on 21:41 - Nov 21 by Bobbychase |
And sorry, but this sentence: "and so far we have been terrible - slow in possession, predictable, and easy to counter. When you consider Lambert, the supposed worst manager in our history managed to do better with a squad that's spine is largely playing in league 2 this season,"
Lambert's team played better football and was more successful than the current squad, really?
We had two good starts and then dropped away like a stone after Christmas. And last season in particular the "possession football" we played was not only awful to watch it was completely ineffectual in creating chances. For months! We scored three goals in 10 games at one point last season. Three goals in ten games.
This season, until the Oxford game, we were the leading scorers in the division.
I fail to recognise the awful football you are describing under Cook this season. If we were as slow, predictable and easy to counter as you suggest then nobody would be going to the games. |
That's just my opinion on how we play, having watched every game (besides the FA cup). Yesterday especially, the system was resembling how Lambert played towards the middle of last season. Passing to a fullback, seeing if the winger is in space, if not working it through to the other fullback and repeating the process, where half the time we give up and hoof it up to an ineffective Bonne.
Would love to see some more attempts playing it through the middle but it just doesn't seem to be possible in our current system.
It's true that we are scoring more goals, but most of those have come from teams falling apart like Wycombe and Doncaster, not us being particularly spectacular. Even under Cook we went about 11 hours last season without scoring when he tried getting the old players to play his system. And keep in mind last season we had a much better defensive record even when Toto and Woolf were the back two.
Obviously it's a long-term plan but where is the evidence that Cook will eventually come good? Some fans seem to take for granted that we will improve one day but how long do we have to wait, and what if just doesn't come good?
For me personally, I believe that the owners have a genuine ambition to get us towards the Premier League and have seen enough from Cook to know he isn't nearly good enough for that. You have to be adaptable and hard to beat to do well in the champ, and I fear even if we did manage to get promoted teams would find us out pretty quickly and we'd go straight down. | |
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| Genuine question …. on 05:01 - Nov 22 with 992 views | BlueBadger |
| Genuine question …. on 19:22 - Nov 21 by Bobbychase |
Ticket sales are one element of a broader picture. And we wouldn't be averaging 20,000ish in L1 if the football wasn't good.
Just to clarify, you see no reason to be happy and optimistic that lots of people have returned to the stadium who left in the Mick era, and that a new generation of fans seems to be getting on board with ITFC? I'm a starry-eyed happy clapper for enjoying the improved mood around the club after so many years of terrible football, non-existent atmosphere and the only good players being the ones on loan? |
It's all a little bit 'we going to piss the league with Lambo' at the moment for me. It's lovely everyone's having a nice time again, but if we end up with yet another false dawn, those numbers will drop off.
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| So sack Cook tomorrow then? That’s your call? on 07:13 - Nov 22 with 957 views | blueboyd |
| So sack Cook tomorrow then? That’s your call? on 21:29 - Nov 21 by Bobbychase |
Maybe his sights are set higher than yours because he wants to see how the current plan plays out rather than chuck it all up in the air? Have you considered that?
There's a weird logic around our club sometimes that anyone who is largely content must be naive or having the wool pulled over their eyes by shadowy forces. |
like I say, I want to get out of league one, you lot want to watch entertaining football even if it means another season for your cookie to have another go.
There is a weird logic that the game of football is a results based business and the aim of it is to get the bal in the net and to win games in order to get out of the division some of us loath being in! - Mental innit. | | | |
| Genuine question …. on 07:33 - Nov 22 with 942 views | Darth_Koont |
Is he making us “a bang average side”?
No. Certainly not.
We need more consistency but we’re getting better and we’re a side with a very high ceiling as our performances against Portsmouth, Wycombe and even Sunderland showed. It’s been years since we’ve seen that sort of dominance away from home.
All while we’ve not settled on a first-choice three behind Bonne, and have a question mark at LB, which shows we’ve still got room for improvement.
Get the balance right for any 3 of Chaplin, Celina, Aluko, Burns, Fraser and Edwards to perform closer to their best, and support Bonne or Pigott upfront, and we’d be even more of a goal-scoring threat. And put O’Nien or similar at LB in January and we’d be even more secure and difficult to play against at the back. |  |
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| ‘A bang average side’ the board is now reaching peak mentalism!!! on 07:57 - Nov 22 with 928 views | timothyeo |
| ‘A bang average side’ the board is now reaching peak mentalism!!! on 21:40 - Nov 21 by The_Flashing_Smile |
The reason we sit 10th is our poor start.
The reason for our poor start is we've completely gutted the club and are starting almost from scratch. That takes time to come together.
Up until quite recently we were top scorers in the entire football league.
Hope this helps. |
Well, the form table has us 9th. So it's definitely not just the start thats impacting our position.
Look, I've come to accept our fans just don't have ambition any more and most of them fall head over heels for any manager as long as they say the right things. Look how long it took for half of you lot on here to realise Lambert might not be the answer.
Our entire ambition as a club now rests solely on the owners, who will be desperate to get out of this league at the first attempt, despite fans on here being dense enough to believe that everything the owners say to the public is actually what they mean. | | | |
| ‘A bang average side’ the board is now reaching peak mentalism!!! on 08:09 - Nov 22 with 909 views | Keaneish |
| ‘A bang average side’ the board is now reaching peak mentalism!!! on 07:57 - Nov 22 by timothyeo |
Well, the form table has us 9th. So it's definitely not just the start thats impacting our position.
Look, I've come to accept our fans just don't have ambition any more and most of them fall head over heels for any manager as long as they say the right things. Look how long it took for half of you lot on here to realise Lambert might not be the answer.
Our entire ambition as a club now rests solely on the owners, who will be desperate to get out of this league at the first attempt, despite fans on here being dense enough to believe that everything the owners say to the public is actually what they mean. |
I think all our fans have ambition to get out of this league, that’s partly why we’re attending in great numbers. Those going see something building and maturing, which is why we’re happy to be patient. Patient with the building programme and patient with the defeats no matter the disappointment. It’s not about falling ‘head over heels with a manager’; it’s about the sum of its parts that this manager has brought to the club.
If you fail to see all the good that’s happening and you want change then put some sensible suggestions forward about how this club would improve rather than bitching about what you don’t like. There are too many fans on this forum happy to share opinion without having the deeper insight which travelling home and away gives you and far too many learning about the events of the club second hand. |  |
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| ‘A bang average side’ the board is now reaching peak mentalism!!! on 08:13 - Nov 22 with 901 views | itfcjoe |
| ‘A bang average side’ the board is now reaching peak mentalism!!! on 08:09 - Nov 22 by Keaneish |
I think all our fans have ambition to get out of this league, that’s partly why we’re attending in great numbers. Those going see something building and maturing, which is why we’re happy to be patient. Patient with the building programme and patient with the defeats no matter the disappointment. It’s not about falling ‘head over heels with a manager’; it’s about the sum of its parts that this manager has brought to the club.
If you fail to see all the good that’s happening and you want change then put some sensible suggestions forward about how this club would improve rather than bitching about what you don’t like. There are too many fans on this forum happy to share opinion without having the deeper insight which travelling home and away gives you and far too many learning about the events of the club second hand. |
"There are too many fans on this forum happy to share opinion without having the deeper insight which travelling home and away gives you and far too many learning about the events of the club second hand."
I can't remember you ever saying you were even a season ticket holder?
Even for those who don't get to games there is a lot more coverage with iFollow which has been a gamechanger for those who live away from the town. |  |
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| Genuine question …. on 08:23 - Nov 22 with 878 views | wkj |
Cook's team of staff and players are like a jigsaw with a bit missing. He's done a lot of good here, but he needs to figure out what the last piece is to bring it all together.
LB is concerning as Clements is a great back up option, but I don't think all of his game is ready for regular starts - ie- he seems stifled in attack.
We seem to have a few CB's who all have bits of a great CB, if Toto, Woolf and Burgess could merge as one, we'd have a great backline.
Also, we have to slap the complacency out of the team. We're making a lot of unforced errors still - and games like Colchester and Oldham should have been momentum builders - but they seemed to raise more questions than build confidence.
I was very against Cook after the Cambridge game and ready for him to go then, but he did show a lot of improvement that changed my mind. His job as manager should be evaluated at the end of the season in my opinion - it's too early (or too late) to oust him now. [Post edited 22 Nov 2021 8:36]
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| ‘A bang average side’ the board is now reaching peak mentalism!!! on 08:43 - Nov 22 with 854 views | Herbivore |
| ‘A bang average side’ the board is now reaching peak mentalism!!! on 08:09 - Nov 22 by Keaneish |
I think all our fans have ambition to get out of this league, that’s partly why we’re attending in great numbers. Those going see something building and maturing, which is why we’re happy to be patient. Patient with the building programme and patient with the defeats no matter the disappointment. It’s not about falling ‘head over heels with a manager’; it’s about the sum of its parts that this manager has brought to the club.
If you fail to see all the good that’s happening and you want change then put some sensible suggestions forward about how this club would improve rather than bitching about what you don’t like. There are too many fans on this forum happy to share opinion without having the deeper insight which travelling home and away gives you and far too many learning about the events of the club second hand. |
Cook isn't making us greater than the sum of our parts though, and that's a big part of the problem. And that's been the case from day 1 of his tenure here. You've gone on record saying that you think Cook has got everything right since he came here and regardless of how many games anyone is able to attend, that's just delusional nonsense. You talk about being patient with the defeats but that can't go on indefinitely if the aim is to try and get out of this division this year, which clearly is the aim. We've been poor enough over our first 18 games that we now need auto promotion form for the rest of the season to have a chance of finishing 6th. That some fans think that's fine and that all is well is really bizarre and such a rewriting of what was expected back at the start of the season. Some are even talking as though not making the play offs would be okay so long as there's 'progress', absolutely bonkers. [Post edited 22 Nov 2021 8:46]
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| Genuine question …. on 08:44 - Nov 22 with 853 views | Churchman |
| Genuine question …. on 19:27 - Nov 21 by chrismakin |
The Americans are in it no different to how Evans was when he took over.
There will be a limit to how long they will fund an attempt at promotion. If we don't do it this season. It has to be next.. and if not.... Well we saw how it went with M.E once the purse strings were cut. |
Sorry Chris, I have to disagree. The Americans are light years different to Evans.
My guess has always been that Evans saw the club as a quick way to make a bit of money. Buy the club, bung in a little bit of money and a big name to manage, promotion to the PL and bobs your uncle, sell for a fat wedge. He had no idea what he was buying into and put clueless stooges in to run it. Investment in the people? Nah, get rid of them. Investment in the infrastructure? Two tins of paint for the turnstiles and portacabin, jobs a good un.
There is nothing remotely the same with how the Americans have approached it. The only similarity is that they want a return on their investment one day and they know they won’t get it by cutting the purse strings. It’s not the American way. |  | | |
| ‘A bang average side’ the board is now reaching peak mentalism!!! on 09:47 - Nov 22 with 812 views | timothyeo |
| ‘A bang average side’ the board is now reaching peak mentalism!!! on 08:09 - Nov 22 by Keaneish |
I think all our fans have ambition to get out of this league, that’s partly why we’re attending in great numbers. Those going see something building and maturing, which is why we’re happy to be patient. Patient with the building programme and patient with the defeats no matter the disappointment. It’s not about falling ‘head over heels with a manager’; it’s about the sum of its parts that this manager has brought to the club.
If you fail to see all the good that’s happening and you want change then put some sensible suggestions forward about how this club would improve rather than bitching about what you don’t like. There are too many fans on this forum happy to share opinion without having the deeper insight which travelling home and away gives you and far too many learning about the events of the club second hand. |
Fans attending games doesn't equal ambition.
I don't fail to see 'all the good' - I just don't agree everything is good. You're a good example of a poster that falls for any manager we get in, claims everyone else is a pant-wetter for criticising when it's clear they're underperforming then try to save face when you realise you were wrong and we have to change the manager again.
As for sensible suggestions, I've said elsewhere that we're too late now for changing manager really. It won't stop me criticising the fact that with this squad we should have been challenging for the title. | | | |
| Genuine question …. on 09:55 - Nov 22 with 802 views | WilbrahamBlue |
mind-bogglingly basic view | | | |
| ‘A bang average side’ the board is now reaching peak mentalism!!! on 10:03 - Nov 22 with 792 views | jayessess |
| ‘A bang average side’ the board is now reaching peak mentalism!!! on 08:09 - Nov 22 by Keaneish |
I think all our fans have ambition to get out of this league, that’s partly why we’re attending in great numbers. Those going see something building and maturing, which is why we’re happy to be patient. Patient with the building programme and patient with the defeats no matter the disappointment. It’s not about falling ‘head over heels with a manager’; it’s about the sum of its parts that this manager has brought to the club.
If you fail to see all the good that’s happening and you want change then put some sensible suggestions forward about how this club would improve rather than bitching about what you don’t like. There are too many fans on this forum happy to share opinion without having the deeper insight which travelling home and away gives you and far too many learning about the events of the club second hand. |
What percentage of games have you got to see to merit an opinion, ffs?
I've seen every game bar the FA Cup ties and for me, it's far from clear that we're "building and maturing". Since winning our first league game, we've looked like a team that could run through the division precisely twice (Portsmouth and Wycombe). The rest of the games we've looked not much different to any other Top Half League One side. |  |
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| So sack Cook tomorrow then? That’s your call? on 11:20 - Nov 22 with 756 views | DavoIPB |
| So sack Cook tomorrow then? That’s your call? on 22:02 - Nov 21 by CokeIsKey |
That's just my opinion on how we play, having watched every game (besides the FA cup). Yesterday especially, the system was resembling how Lambert played towards the middle of last season. Passing to a fullback, seeing if the winger is in space, if not working it through to the other fullback and repeating the process, where half the time we give up and hoof it up to an ineffective Bonne.
Would love to see some more attempts playing it through the middle but it just doesn't seem to be possible in our current system.
It's true that we are scoring more goals, but most of those have come from teams falling apart like Wycombe and Doncaster, not us being particularly spectacular. Even under Cook we went about 11 hours last season without scoring when he tried getting the old players to play his system. And keep in mind last season we had a much better defensive record even when Toto and Woolf were the back two.
Obviously it's a long-term plan but where is the evidence that Cook will eventually come good? Some fans seem to take for granted that we will improve one day but how long do we have to wait, and what if just doesn't come good?
For me personally, I believe that the owners have a genuine ambition to get us towards the Premier League and have seen enough from Cook to know he isn't nearly good enough for that. You have to be adaptable and hard to beat to do well in the champ, and I fear even if we did manage to get promoted teams would find us out pretty quickly and we'd go straight down. |
Not how I saw the game at all. Especially first half. Morsy and Evans ran the show, we created chances from good wing play and from running at the defence through the middle. Edwards beat their players consistently. The only thing missing was the goal. Absolutely nothing like Lamberts team last year. We are so much better this year. How Sunderland are higher than us in the league I don't know. | | | |
| ‘A bang average side’ the board is now reaching peak mentalism!!! on 12:59 - Nov 22 with 735 views | WilbrahamBlue |
| ‘A bang average side’ the board is now reaching peak mentalism!!! on 08:43 - Nov 22 by Herbivore |
Cook isn't making us greater than the sum of our parts though, and that's a big part of the problem. And that's been the case from day 1 of his tenure here. You've gone on record saying that you think Cook has got everything right since he came here and regardless of how many games anyone is able to attend, that's just delusional nonsense. You talk about being patient with the defeats but that can't go on indefinitely if the aim is to try and get out of this division this year, which clearly is the aim. We've been poor enough over our first 18 games that we now need auto promotion form for the rest of the season to have a chance of finishing 6th. That some fans think that's fine and that all is well is really bizarre and such a rewriting of what was expected back at the start of the season. Some are even talking as though not making the play offs would be okay so long as there's 'progress', absolutely bonkers. [Post edited 22 Nov 2021 8:46]
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You don't want Cook out (you tell us!) but the basis of your forum presence seems to be centred on Paul Cook annihilation/your view on his ineptitude/why does anyone accept that play-offs is a success when the aim was top 2!
Seasons develop and fluctuate. Aims and aspirations evolve to suit.
Many fans are enjoying his tenure, and accept what you unequivocally can't.
That's your problem.
(PS. I've only been to 5 home games and 1 away game) | | | |
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