| Ok, come on then… 11:55 - Nov 24 with 5171 views | SitfcB |
…who wants a fight?
Just joking.
Nail your colours to the mast so to speak, last night seems to have ‘turned the tide’ quite a bit and I can’t believe we’re in this situation of discussing the future of Paul Cook after just 19 games in.
Do you genuinely think Cook is the wrong man and should go or do you understand the project and have the patience required?
Personally it’s way to early to be calling for his head, whilst obviously disappointed we are where we are it’s really not the end of world yet. This is a major work in progress - we are effectively a new club. New owners. A new board. New background staff, playing wise and ‘office’ wise. A new manager. A whole new playing squad. Forget last season and the past, this season was the start of something new.
Cook should have until the end of NEXT season in my opinion, unless things go drastically wrong in the next few months, which I don’t think it will, we will be in the hunt for the play-offs all season, this league is poor. Truly believe the second half of the season will be when we see the fruits of the forest from our squad.
Changing manager will be more of a hindrance than help. Time and patience is STILL very much required.
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| Ok, come on then… on 16:24 - Nov 24 with 1113 views | jayessess |
| Ok, come on then… on 15:54 - Nov 24 by Fixed_It |
The 10 years of malaise led to a total clearout and re-boot. To expect it to all suddenly click into place like a well-oiled machine is a bit naive - think we've all been a bit guilty of that to an extent if we're honest. |
"If your football team spends lots of money, it will ultimately be successful" is cynical rather than naive.
On the other hand "If you just show enough patience, eventually your manager and their team will come good" is incredibly naive. |  |
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| Ok, come on then… on 19:13 - Nov 24 with 1061 views | jasondozzell |
Excellent post. Agree wholeheartedly. We are desperate for success but got to acknowledge it can be a bit bumpy getting there.
Get behind Cook and this new team! It will come good [Post edited 24 Nov 2021 19:13]
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| Ok, come on then… on 05:54 - Nov 25 with 1005 views | Keaneish |
I’m in the same starting eleven as you on this one. I still know it’ll come good but we’re in the midst of a TWTD storm at the moment that needs to be ridden out. I’d go so far as to say that we won’t lose many from here on in until the end of the season now given we’ve now had a good look at a lot of the clubs and what they offer.
That being said, I want more desire on that pitch than what I saw Tuesday night and I want Cook to have the courage to play with attacking full backs like he always has done regardless of the defensive frailties it brings. We’re a better, more exciting side going forward with Penney and KVY in the team. Time to throw caution to the wind and go for it, not that’ll stop the Cook Out shouts from idiots for a while. |  |
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| Ok, come on then… on 06:18 - Nov 25 with 996 views | brazil1981 |
Hopefully all the bed wetters have calmed down a bit now.
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| Ok, come on then… on 06:26 - Nov 25 with 983 views | The_Romford_Blue |
Less than 2 and a half pages into a likely 10 pager and my analysis is this:
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| Ok, come on then… on 06:37 - Nov 25 with 982 views | bobbyramsey |
| Ok, come on then… on 12:26 - Nov 24 by N2_Blue |
So you are saying even if he wins his next 4 games it may not be good enough.
If we win the next four (including v Sunderland)we will be at least 4-5 points outside playoffs still.
I think our fans don't realise how far adrift we are and how many sides are between us and 6th.
The top 6 is bust...not happening. Need to wake up and realise that. Chances of us winning the next 4 games...zero. There is optimism and there is realism. Best case scenario would probably be 9 points out of 12 but that is extremely optimistic and i don't think will happen. He needs to go now. Not of this wait and see crap. Fleetwood took action, United took action, we always dither too long. We need to be decisive. |
We are being decisive and it looks like our new owners have decided that Cook stays.
Decisive enough? [Post edited 25 Nov 2021 6:38]
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| Ok, come on then… on 06:55 - Nov 25 with 976 views | Bobbychase |
It will take at least two transfer windows to sort this squad out properly, maybe more.
And behind the scenes the club has needed major surgery in terms of scouting, infrastructure and fan engagement for years. It's now getting it.
I cannot believe people are actually moaning about the timing of the PackoutPR campaign.
The new owners have been very clear they are in this for the long haul. Only our supporters could hover their finger over the self-destruct button when we've just had the luckiest break in decades in the form of Gamechanger and Ashton.
Essentially, there were mutterings but they were fading because we were on a good run and had actually won an FA Cup game and got through in the Tinpot Trophy, then we (rather unjustly) lost at Sunderland and then had a terrible night against Rotherham and the board is riddled with "Cook out" and "PackoutPR will be embarrassing".
It's infuriating that our club is constantly held to ransom by what i believe is a minority of our fans whose knee-jerk reaction to any situation is to throw everything up in the air and demand a change of manager. Is it so unreasonable to ask for patience when we've suffered for so long but finally have hope? |  |
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| Ok, come on then… on 07:49 - Nov 25 with 944 views | blueboyd |
| Ok, come on then… on 06:55 - Nov 25 by Bobbychase |
It will take at least two transfer windows to sort this squad out properly, maybe more.
And behind the scenes the club has needed major surgery in terms of scouting, infrastructure and fan engagement for years. It's now getting it.
I cannot believe people are actually moaning about the timing of the PackoutPR campaign.
The new owners have been very clear they are in this for the long haul. Only our supporters could hover their finger over the self-destruct button when we've just had the luckiest break in decades in the form of Gamechanger and Ashton.
Essentially, there were mutterings but they were fading because we were on a good run and had actually won an FA Cup game and got through in the Tinpot Trophy, then we (rather unjustly) lost at Sunderland and then had a terrible night against Rotherham and the board is riddled with "Cook out" and "PackoutPR will be embarrassing".
It's infuriating that our club is constantly held to ransom by what i believe is a minority of our fans whose knee-jerk reaction to any situation is to throw everything up in the air and demand a change of manager. Is it so unreasonable to ask for patience when we've suffered for so long but finally have hope? |
you have not supported for very long if there is so much that you cannot believe.... have you not gone through the years of stagnation and poor football?
We now have owners who care, correct staff in major roles at the club and a manager who was rubbish last season, and has only won 6 games this season.
quite easy to see in my opinion why people want Cook to go before this season turns into another year in League One. You seriously want another season without a fight being put in? I don't!
I am not saying Cook is a bad manager as arguably he is not BUT he is not the right fit for this club, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. he showed last season he had no clue and bar a few results against teams we sadly now class as 'good teams' he has struggled to motivate the players he picks in his trusted and largely failing formationwhich I will add he will NEVER change. -that isn't a manager I want at my club, nor a position my club should be in. | | | |
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| Ok, come on then… on 08:10 - Nov 25 with 932 views | Bobbychase |
| Ok, come on then… on 07:49 - Nov 25 by blueboyd |
you have not supported for very long if there is so much that you cannot believe.... have you not gone through the years of stagnation and poor football?
We now have owners who care, correct staff in major roles at the club and a manager who was rubbish last season, and has only won 6 games this season.
quite easy to see in my opinion why people want Cook to go before this season turns into another year in League One. You seriously want another season without a fight being put in? I don't!
I am not saying Cook is a bad manager as arguably he is not BUT he is not the right fit for this club, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. he showed last season he had no clue and bar a few results against teams we sadly now class as 'good teams' he has struggled to motivate the players he picks in his trusted and largely failing formationwhich I will add he will NEVER change. -that isn't a manager I want at my club, nor a position my club should be in. |
I've been going home and away since 1987
I've got a season ticket even though every home game is a 500-mile round trip.
People who want Cook out seem to think they have a monopoly on suffering. I want us to win every game, I hate it when we lose. It doesn't mean I want the manager sacked.
You're right, we do have owners who care, and correct staff in major roles. And I see a team in progression capable of good results and performances but still misfiring - I don't see a lack of fight.
If we sack Cook we will hunt for someone with his exact record at this level. I just don't think it's the right move. | |
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| Ok, come on then… on 08:40 - Nov 25 with 908 views | Herbivore |
| Ok, come on then… on 08:10 - Nov 25 by Bobbychase |
I've been going home and away since 1987
I've got a season ticket even though every home game is a 500-mile round trip.
People who want Cook out seem to think they have a monopoly on suffering. I want us to win every game, I hate it when we lose. It doesn't mean I want the manager sacked.
You're right, we do have owners who care, and correct staff in major roles. And I see a team in progression capable of good results and performances but still misfiring - I don't see a lack of fight.
If we sack Cook we will hunt for someone with his exact record at this level. I just don't think it's the right move. |
I suspect if we sack Cook we'll look for someone who can coach and who has a bit of tactical nous rather than a similar old school manager. |  |
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| Ok, come on then… on 08:50 - Nov 25 with 901 views | blueboyd |
| Ok, come on then… on 08:10 - Nov 25 by Bobbychase |
I've been going home and away since 1987
I've got a season ticket even though every home game is a 500-mile round trip.
People who want Cook out seem to think they have a monopoly on suffering. I want us to win every game, I hate it when we lose. It doesn't mean I want the manager sacked.
You're right, we do have owners who care, and correct staff in major roles. And I see a team in progression capable of good results and performances but still misfiring - I don't see a lack of fight.
If we sack Cook we will hunt for someone with his exact record at this level. I just don't think it's the right move. |
you live in fear that there is nowt better than cook, he has underperformed. Failed last season, failing this season. Deserves no time to continue failing. He won't change, never has, never will, I am so sorry that you live in hope that he will. He simply won't. He has had enough games to show the type of manager he is and although yes, we have beaten a few teams above us the fact that we sit where we are in the league is due to the manager we have who appointed inexperience in the coaching and also the factthat he left his Plan B book managing Wigan. | | | |
| Ok, come on then… on 19:32 - Nov 25 with 863 views | GeoffSentence |
He needs to knock off the 'we're a new side' stuff that's wearing thin right now. We simply aren't good enough. I think we need to strike now whilst Daniel Farke is still free. |  |
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| Ok, come on then… on 20:15 - Nov 25 with 839 views | azuremerlangus |
Not after a fight…
Many said they would judge PC after so many games/end of October/November etc.
TBF we have got to the point of clicking as a team and then having a bit of a wobble of late. Whether we have reached a juncture to fairly judge our progress is debatable, but most of us were expected to be firmly in a top 6 berth making steady progress towards a top 2 finish as minimum.
The question is do we think we have seen enough evidence to get there by the end of the season? |  |
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| Ok, come on then… on 20:18 - Nov 25 with 837 views | OsborneOneNil |
| Ok, come on then… on 12:04 - Nov 24 by StokieBlue |
Whilst I know you're not really interested, I will answer.
His specific brand of 4231 has been totally sussed out, even by lower league opposition who have run us close lately.
We are simply to slow, predictable and thus easy to defend against.
It's hard to see how that changes without a major change in attitude and outlook from Cook.
The squad looks ripe for 352 and it's working well for Plymouth and Rotherham, seems absurd to religiously stick to 4231 for the sake of it.
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Have to say, I’d love to see us set up 3-5-2. |  | | |
| Ok, come on then… on 20:50 - Nov 25 with 818 views | ArnieM |
| Ok, come on then… on 12:29 - Nov 24 by StokieBlue |
" it has worked in our big wins this season"
It's also not worked in all our rubbish defeats.
What we need is something that works the vast majority of the time.
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I agreed with you earlier post , but I suppose in essence whatever all want I’d hit Cook to be flexible with his formations, and use the most effective one to beat the opposition that week .
The real question is do we think Cook can change his tried and trusted formation ? Sadly , I’d say not which ultimately will lead to his sacking . |  |
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| Ok, come on then… on 21:32 - Nov 25 with 791 views | Herbivore |
| Ok, come on then… on 20:18 - Nov 25 by OsborneOneNil |
Have to say, I’d love to see us set up 3-5-2. |
It's not really a system that can accommodate Celina, Chaplin, Aluko or Edwards though. And we don't really have any ball playing CBs, aside from Woolf who is clearly not in favour. The signings we've made don't suit the formation at all for me. | |
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| Ok, come on then… on 11:58 - Nov 26 with 699 views | jayessess |
| Ok, come on then… on 21:32 - Nov 25 by Herbivore |
It's not really a system that can accommodate Celina, Chaplin, Aluko or Edwards though. And we don't really have any ball playing CBs, aside from Woolf who is clearly not in favour. The signings we've made don't suit the formation at all for me. |
If we are changing formation (and I can't say I'm convinced it'd do much good), I think 3-4-2-1 would be the alternative to go with.
It potentially accommodates most of our form players and our over-abundance of Number 10s, ie. Walton; Donacien, Edmundson, Burgess; Burns, Morsy, Evans, Penney; Chaplin, Celina; Bonne | |
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