| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead 21:54 - Dec 11 with 14229 views | ElderGrizzly |
And Liz Truss odds on to be new PM.
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| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 20:40 - Dec 12 with 1507 views | jeera |
| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 20:36 - Dec 12 by Darth_Koont |
You sicken me. 😀
I quite like them if I’m being honest. Although sitting through Mamma Mia 2 very nearly killed me. |
I've never seen Mamma Mia, either one.
But I did sit through Abba - The Movie, twice at the cinema in one afternoon.
You could in those days. You paid your ticket and you could watch the next showing included.
I have no idea why I am sharing this. |  |
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| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 20:45 - Dec 12 with 1474 views | Darth_Koont |
| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 20:39 - Dec 12 by N2_Blue |
Voters like yourself are part of the problem and not the solution to getting out of this constant spiral of consecutive and ever increasingly dangerous Tory governments |
Yeah, it’s my fault our politicians have never been worse. 😀
Me and my f@cking standards. |  |
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| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 20:46 - Dec 12 with 1455 views | positivity |
| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 19:56 - Dec 12 by Darth_Koont |
Did they really reverse that? For me they cemented the UK on a path that they could have reversed during their 13 years but didn’t.
The NHS. They certainly introduced the internal market and PFIs to the NHS which have kept us on the slippery slope. They did put more into the NHS during the global economic upturn but were quite open about their belief in austerity during the downturn.
Tax rises were minimal and again with the global economic upturn this was seen as tolerable due to rising incomes. The commitment to raising taxes for a more long-term and sweeping redistribution of wealth and pay for society and infrastructure wasn’t there though. Now we’re seeing Starmer fall even at the most simple of hurdles by not being able to agree with a rise on our already very low corporate tax on profits.
Benefits: See above. In good times, yes. In bad times, austerity and cuts. Even 12 years on Starmer is only talking about tweaks that I can imagine Johnson agreeing to as well. There is no underlying defense of benefits and to see them as critical for protecting people and for actually helping boost confidence. We’re still miles from anything like UBI or, in a crisis, seeing cash go to individuals rather than employers.
Nationalism? Let’s split that into Home Nations and the UK first. New Labour did little to nothing to address the regional divide and the unbalanced, far too centralized economy. That’s left Scotland and increasingly Wales and Northern Ireland looking elsewhere. The sheer sense of betrayal that a Labour government would do nothing in 13 years of power really started everything, in Scotland at least. Instead, those Labour votes (and in the former Red Wall) were taken for granted and New Labour started aiming for the middle-class marginals that would keep it in power. Massive missed opportunity to take the country forward rather than set it on its current path. And Starmer looks even worse on that score.
As for toxic nationalism. Yes, there was a lot of dog-whistling around immigration and Muslims even during New Labour. And they also pushed heavily for the expansion of the EU that brought over Eastern Europeans. While never addressing the underlying concerns. And now we’ve got Starmer leaning into islamophobia, anti-BAME, anti-asylum seekers to somehow prove his reactionary credentials.
Same with LGBTQ+. New Labour deserve credit for pushing through anti-discrimination laws eventually but that’s a marked contrast to their rejection of these before as lunatic fringe issues. Anti-discrimination laws seemed more to be them responding to the times rather than taking leadership. Same with transphobia and identity issues now. They’re not allies until it’s electorally beneficial or at least neutral. Because it’s not about principles.
Keep the BBC? Sure. Does the Labour Right no harm whatsoever. Doesn’t really hurt the Tories either but gives them the chance to posture.
The right to protest and organize labour? Labour aren’t that interested, let’s be honest. Their defence of it has been lukewarm at best. When was the last time Labour (outside of the Corbyn years of course) actually stood up for protesters and issues? They don’t want any of it.
Unrestrained fascism? Potato/potahto. I haven’t seen any political project as authoritarian as Starmer’s Labour. The Tories with Patel and the loony backbenchers are certainly very bad, but In Starmer I don’t see some knight in shining armour holding a sword of democratic justice. I see a narrow reactionary who’s just as likely to do similar and throw in a bit of Blair’s imperialism for kicks.
Yeah, I don’t like them. 😀 And they’re stealing a living calling themselves the opposition or an alternative. Because, in actual fact, they don’t want to oppose they want to be given the reins, and get all the same power, money and influence that made Blair their poster boy.
That type of self-serving nonsense (with a media that nods along and wants their big house to keep its value and not pay any more tax) might be the nature of politics over the past couple of decades. But that’s why we are where we are, and the actual underlying issues keep getting ignored. |
utter nonsense, you really feel that the tories wouldn't have done far worse if they were in power without any of the positives?!
you're living in a fairytale idealistic world which has no basis in reality
you'll never make the slightest bit of positive difference to people in poverty playing student union politics from your ivory tower.
to make a change you've got to get into the real world like thousands of labour and green councillors and do something worthwhile
live in your fantasy world if you like, but don't claim that you care about people any more than the priti patels and boris johnsons of this world! |  |
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| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 20:47 - Dec 12 with 1450 views | jeera |
| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 20:39 - Dec 12 by N2_Blue |
Voters like yourself are part of the problem and not the solution to getting out of this constant spiral of consecutive and ever increasingly dangerous Tory governments |
Darth is a principled man who is not ok with voting for something he is not fully on board with. I see Footers feels the same and I can completely understand that stance.
I take the angle like yourself that I will vote for the Flat Earth Society if it means getting this lot out, but that doesn't mean that's a good thing all round.
I would certainly prefer to see some candidates who stand for what I truly believe in and am unhappy I have to compromise that when I shouldn't have to. | |
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| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 20:52 - Dec 12 with 1423 views | Ryorry |
| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 20:44 - Dec 12 by footers |
Meh. It's a lame defence. Won't see me bringing up personal gripes from literally half a century ago into internet forum arguments for some fecking strange reason.
I've never described myself as that -considering you're using direct quote marks - but I am a socialist, that much is true. [Post edited 12 Dec 2021 20:47]
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Yet again you fall down on actual facts. Suggest you re-read that thread you've just referenced in your desperation to continue resurrecting your personal gripe with me.
Yes, should have opted for indirect quotes. |  |
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| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 20:53 - Dec 12 with 1421 views | footers |
| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 20:51 - Dec 12 by gtsb1966 |
"you won't see me bringing up personal gripes"  |
Missed the full sentence and context there, buddy.
I understand you're mates with Benters but I thought you'd understand what a sentence was at least. Maybe not.
Besides, isn't that what you're doing now? |  |
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| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 20:55 - Dec 12 with 1410 views | N2_Blue |
| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 19:36 - Dec 12 by lowhouseblue |
have you not met dk before? there's no point trying. |
The most accurate post on this thread so far.
Why posters continue to engage with DK over politics I have no idea unless you like being on the end of abuse.
Poor old Ryorry seems to be copping it most this time around it seems. |  |
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| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 20:55 - Dec 12 with 1410 views | jeera |
| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 20:51 - Dec 12 by gtsb1966 |
"you won't see me bringing up personal gripes" |
Irony not your thing buddy? | |
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| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 20:57 - Dec 12 with 1399 views | jeera |
| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 20:55 - Dec 12 by N2_Blue |
The most accurate post on this thread so far.
Why posters continue to engage with DK over politics I have no idea unless you like being on the end of abuse.
Poor old Ryorry seems to be copping it most this time around it seems. |
If you're not briefed on the context then it's best not to speculate too much.
Otherwise you become part of the problem.
Let sleeping dogs lie and all that jazz. | |
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| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 20:58 - Dec 12 with 1396 views | Darth_Koont |
| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 20:40 - Dec 12 by jeera |
I've never seen Mamma Mia, either one.
But I did sit through Abba - The Movie, twice at the cinema in one afternoon.
You could in those days. You paid your ticket and you could watch the next showing included.
I have no idea why I am sharing this. |
Because it’s a deep part of you. And I respect that.
Talking about Abba and insights from Sweden, living there you came to understand that Agnetha was (sort of) normal for Sweden. And after a few years they fade into the background. A mate of mine calls it the Blandinavian effect. And then it’s the dark-haired women with Chilean, Balkan and other backgrounds that really start to stand out. Or just non-typical Swedish women.
It’s a strange effect. Certainly for anyone who thinks they have a type. | |
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| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 21:01 - Dec 12 with 1377 views | Darth_Koont |
| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 20:46 - Dec 12 by positivity |
utter nonsense, you really feel that the tories wouldn't have done far worse if they were in power without any of the positives?!
you're living in a fairytale idealistic world which has no basis in reality
you'll never make the slightest bit of positive difference to people in poverty playing student union politics from your ivory tower.
to make a change you've got to get into the real world like thousands of labour and green councillors and do something worthwhile
live in your fantasy world if you like, but don't claim that you care about people any more than the priti patels and boris johnsons of this world! |
Respectfully, I disagree.
I like you, pos, but I’ve heard it all before. And we keep doing the same thing and making the same mistakes. | |
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| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 21:03 - Dec 12 with 1360 views | jeera |
| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 20:58 - Dec 12 by Darth_Koont |
Because it’s a deep part of you. And I respect that.
Talking about Abba and insights from Sweden, living there you came to understand that Agnetha was (sort of) normal for Sweden. And after a few years they fade into the background. A mate of mine calls it the Blandinavian effect. And then it’s the dark-haired women with Chilean, Balkan and other backgrounds that really start to stand out. Or just non-typical Swedish women.
It’s a strange effect. Certainly for anyone who thinks they have a type. |
Oh always those who are different will stand out the most and attract the most interest surely?
As for "Because it’s a deep part of you. And I respect that."
I'm never telling you anything like ever again. | |
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| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 21:03 - Dec 12 with 1358 views | N2_Blue |
| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 21:01 - Dec 12 by Darth_Koont |
Respectfully, I disagree.
I like you, pos, but I’ve heard it all before. And we keep doing the same thing and making the same mistakes. |
He's right though | |
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| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 21:04 - Dec 12 with 1353 views | jeera |
| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 21:03 - Dec 12 by N2_Blue |
He's right though |
*stir stir*
Really, what's the point of this? | |
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| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 21:06 - Dec 12 with 1335 views | Ryorry |
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| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 21:07 - Dec 12 with 1335 views | Darth_Koont |
| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 20:55 - Dec 12 by N2_Blue |
The most accurate post on this thread so far.
Why posters continue to engage with DK over politics I have no idea unless you like being on the end of abuse.
Poor old Ryorry seems to be copping it most this time around it seems. |
I feel victimised. 😢 | |
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| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 21:07 - Dec 12 with 1331 views | longtimefan |
| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 20:53 - Dec 12 by footers |
Missed the full sentence and context there, buddy.
I understand you're mates with Benters but I thought you'd understand what a sentence was at least. Maybe not.
Besides, isn't that what you're doing now? |
I’d have thought someone casting aspersions about English comprehension might have thought more carefully about using the term “literally half a century ago” when discussing Internet forum arguments? | | | |
| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 21:09 - Dec 12 with 1326 views | Darth_Koont |
| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 21:03 - Dec 12 by N2_Blue |
He's right though |
I don’t think even a cursory look at the state of the UK backs that up.
Obviously it works for you. | |
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| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 21:12 - Dec 12 with 1312 views | N2_Blue |
| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 21:04 - Dec 12 by jeera |
*stir stir*
Really, what's the point of this? |
Sorry?
Because I'm trying to emphasise that Darth is rather blinkered sometimes and I don't like how he disagrees with people and suggests they are generally wrong most of the time when it comes to political point of view that is different to hos own.
Why shouldn't I show support of a another posters comments who someone is continually disagreeing with and repetitively does so on this subject.
Anyway i wasn't talking to you so don't worry about it if it hurts your head and you don't understand the point. | |
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| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 21:14 - Dec 12 with 1307 views | N2_Blue |
| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 21:07 - Dec 12 by Darth_Koont |
I feel victimised. 😢 |
I'm sure you'll be ok ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ | |
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| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 21:17 - Dec 12 with 1291 views | Darth_Koont |
| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 21:12 - Dec 12 by N2_Blue |
Sorry?
Because I'm trying to emphasise that Darth is rather blinkered sometimes and I don't like how he disagrees with people and suggests they are generally wrong most of the time when it comes to political point of view that is different to hos own.
Why shouldn't I show support of a another posters comments who someone is continually disagreeing with and repetitively does so on this subject.
Anyway i wasn't talking to you so don't worry about it if it hurts your head and you don't understand the point. |
Whoa!
The people who disagree with me say that I’m wrong/blinkered/unrealistic/living in an ivory tower etc.
What’s your point? | |
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| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 21:18 - Dec 12 with 1280 views | jeera |
| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 21:12 - Dec 12 by N2_Blue |
Sorry?
Because I'm trying to emphasise that Darth is rather blinkered sometimes and I don't like how he disagrees with people and suggests they are generally wrong most of the time when it comes to political point of view that is different to hos own.
Why shouldn't I show support of a another posters comments who someone is continually disagreeing with and repetitively does so on this subject.
Anyway i wasn't talking to you so don't worry about it if it hurts your head and you don't understand the point. |
All you're doing is showing your ignorance to be honest. You have no idea what you're commenting on half the time but can't help yourself.
If you don't understand any underlying context then it's best to politely back off isn't it.
I'm sure you would agree in any other aspect of life.
That's that. I'm not prepared to waste time going round in circles.
You've jumped in regarding other posters and now you're moving the goalposts. You do this a lot. Stop acting like an old woman. | |
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| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 21:18 - Dec 12 with 1279 views | Darth_Koont |
| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 21:14 - Dec 12 by N2_Blue |
I'm sure you'll be ok ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ |
Of course I will. I’m not stupid. | |
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