| Saturday's game feels a bit like Cheltenham 2020 09:13 - Dec 16 with 7372 views | hype313 |
In that I feel very uneasy about going, in fact I'm not going to go.
Can just see it being a situation where it's a mass spreader event.
Personally, I Think it might be wise to give it a wide berth. [Post edited 16 Dec 2021 9:35]
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| Saturday's game feels a bit like Cheltenham 2020 on 10:53 - Dec 17 with 1186 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Saturday's game feels a bit like Cheltenham 2020 on 09:35 - Dec 17 by Mookamoo |
I'm just saying, in being in a crowd of that many people, you're exposing yourself to that risk. I'm suggesting the risk is now too significant to then go on to mix with anyone who it might seriously impact.
Tone it down notch hey? |
Tone it down? You're the one trying to shame people into not going.
You said, "Everyone that goes must go knowing that will be exposed to someone who is positive." That's demonstrably not true and scaremongering.
The "crowd of that many people" is a red herring too. I won't be anywhere near 98% of that crowd. I won't even be near 98% of the people in the North Stand. As I said, they're not all in the same room all mingling with each other.
Yes there is a risk and people should weigh up if it's worth it (and take all the necessary precautions such as masks and not congregating)... but to say EVERYONE who goes will be exposed to someone who's positive is nonsense. |  |
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| Saturday's game feels a bit like Cheltenham 2020 on 10:53 - Dec 17 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Tone it down? You're the one trying to shame people into not going.
You said, "Everyone that goes must go knowing that will be exposed to someone who is positive." That's demonstrably not true and scaremongering.
The "crowd of that many people" is a red herring too. I won't be anywhere near 98% of that crowd. I won't even be near 98% of the people in the North Stand. As I said, they're not all in the same room all mingling with each other.
Yes there is a risk and people should weigh up if it's worth it (and take all the necessary precautions such as masks and not congregating)... but to say EVERYONE who goes will be exposed to someone who's positive is nonsense. |
You have no way of knowing if anyone you come into close contact with unknowing has Covid. They don’t have a little arrow pointing down at their head.
Those who have posted about not going clearly have different priorities to those who, in many’s eyes, see going to a football match is top priority.
It maybe of course you will not be having any contact, over the Christmas period, with someone who would be classified as vulnerable.
We all make our own decisions and if you have convinced yourself it is OK then so be it. |  |
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| Saturday's game feels a bit like Cheltenham 2020 on 11:21 - Dec 17 with 1111 views | GlasgowBlue |
The West Stand is probably the safest part of the ground. Open air before the game. No crowds going up the steps. Staying masked up the steps and during the game is a must. |  |
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| Saturday's game feels a bit like Cheltenham 2020 on 11:26 - Dec 17 with 1088 views | IpswichKnight |
| Saturday's game feels a bit like Cheltenham 2020 on 11:21 - Dec 17 by GlasgowBlue |
The West Stand is probably the safest part of the ground. Open air before the game. No crowds going up the steps. Staying masked up the steps and during the game is a must. |
I sit in west stand what’s stopping me is the fear of being pinged and having to isolate over Christmas, as I see a few more restrictions coming in for Christmas am going to meet Parents in the open air somewhere to exchange presents. |  | | |
| Saturday's game feels a bit like Cheltenham 2020 on 11:40 - Dec 17 with 1045 views | Whos_blue |
| Saturday's game feels a bit like Cheltenham 2020 on 20:08 - Dec 16 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Do a PCR! |
I second this.
Our family of 4 had if in October.
The only one of us that had a positive LFT was my daughter.
The rest of us tested negative every day, but our PCRs came back positive. |  |
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| Saturday's game feels a bit like Cheltenham 2020 on 11:45 - Dec 17 with 1011 views | Whos_blue |
| Saturday's game feels a bit like Cheltenham 2020 on 09:25 - Dec 17 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Just because there will be people in the crowd who are positive doesn't mean everyone will come into contact with someone who is positive. What an extraordinary leap!
I've had 3 jabs, I'll be wearing a mask on public transport, I won't stay in the concourse at all (or go there at half time) and I won't mix with anyone other than my mates. The size of the crowd is irrelevant - it's not like they're all in the same room!
It's about being sensible. Suggesting everyone will get Covid and then attempting to shame us if we have elderly relatives is pathetic. |
Whoa. Steady on mate. That feels a bit strong.
I don't think anybody is trying to shame anybody else.
Your circumstances may make it easier to go.
For others there are other factors to consider on this occasion. | |
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| Saturday's game feels a bit like Cheltenham 2020 on 11:47 - Dec 17 with 1009 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Saturday's game feels a bit like Cheltenham 2020 on 11:07 - Dec 17 by Pinewoodblue |
You have no way of knowing if anyone you come into close contact with unknowing has Covid. They don’t have a little arrow pointing down at their head.
Those who have posted about not going clearly have different priorities to those who, in many’s eyes, see going to a football match is top priority.
It maybe of course you will not be having any contact, over the Christmas period, with someone who would be classified as vulnerable.
We all make our own decisions and if you have convinced yourself it is OK then so be it. |
Not sure what point you're making, I agree with everything you've said and haven't said otherwise. I haven't said I see a football match as top priority either. I'm just saying it's wrong to say you WILL come into contact with someone who is positive.
I also don't think it's like Cheltenham. There, you're mingling with lots of people. At Portman Road it's only likely to be your mates and the people you sit next to. The fact that the crowd's bigger is irrelevant, you're still only going to come in contact with mates/people you sit near (if you're sensible). | |
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| Saturday's game feels a bit like Cheltenham 2020 on 11:49 - Dec 17 with 1005 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Saturday's game feels a bit like Cheltenham 2020 on 11:26 - Dec 17 by IpswichKnight |
I sit in west stand what’s stopping me is the fear of being pinged and having to isolate over Christmas, as I see a few more restrictions coming in for Christmas am going to meet Parents in the open air somewhere to exchange presents. |
If you and they have been triple jabbed and you're meeting in the open air I'm sure you will be fine. | |
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| Saturday's game feels a bit like Cheltenham 2020 on 11:55 - Dec 17 with 990 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Saturday's game feels a bit like Cheltenham 2020 on 11:45 - Dec 17 by Whos_blue |
Whoa. Steady on mate. That feels a bit strong.
I don't think anybody is trying to shame anybody else.
Your circumstances may make it easier to go.
For others there are other factors to consider on this occasion. |
Sorry but "if you are then going to mix with some elderly relatives over Christmas...it's a pretty simple decision" followed by "If people then expect to mix with elderly relatives over Christmas, then there is only one sensible option" look like shaming to me. It's saying you're not being sensible if you choose to go to the match and see relatives.
My circumstances don't make it easier. That's not what I'm saying. I was taking issue that you'll DEFINITELY come into contact with someone who's positive. I'm not having a go at anyone who decides not to go. | |
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| Saturday's game feels a bit like Cheltenham 2020 on 11:55 - Dec 17 with 988 views | Whos_blue |
I'm swerving this one too.
I didn't want to, but I have other factors to consider.
I mentioned in another thread that my triple jabbed FIL got infected at West Ham last week.
Another good mate has just tested positive for the second time. Also triple jabbed.
I had covid back in October. It wasn't a bundle of laughs.
I also only had my booster yesterday.
My mum and her husband are both clinically vulnerable and are staying over Christmas. The risk just outweighs the benefits on this occasion.
I'm planning on attending the Wycombe and Lincoln games, as the personal risk changes. It's nothing more than that and it's my decision, the same way that others can decide to attend or not. [Post edited 17 Dec 2021 12:00]
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| Saturday's game feels a bit like Cheltenham 2020 on 11:57 - Dec 17 with 982 views | Whos_blue |
| Saturday's game feels a bit like Cheltenham 2020 on 11:55 - Dec 17 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Sorry but "if you are then going to mix with some elderly relatives over Christmas...it's a pretty simple decision" followed by "If people then expect to mix with elderly relatives over Christmas, then there is only one sensible option" look like shaming to me. It's saying you're not being sensible if you choose to go to the match and see relatives.
My circumstances don't make it easier. That's not what I'm saying. I was taking issue that you'll DEFINITELY come into contact with someone who's positive. I'm not having a go at anyone who decides not to go. |
Fair enough. I just didn't read it that way. | |
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| Saturday's game feels a bit like Cheltenham 2020 on 11:59 - Dec 17 with 979 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Saturday's game feels a bit like Cheltenham 2020 on 11:55 - Dec 17 by Whos_blue |
I'm swerving this one too.
I didn't want to, but I have other factors to consider.
I mentioned in another thread that my triple jabbed FIL got infected at West Ham last week.
Another good mate has just tested positive for the second time. Also triple jabbed.
I had covid back in October. It wasn't a bundle of laughs.
I also only had my booster yesterday.
My mum and her husband are both clinically vulnerable and are staying over Christmas. The risk just outweighs the benefits on this occasion.
I'm planning on attending the Wycombe and Lincoln games, as the personal risk changes. It's nothing more than that and it's my decision, the same way that others can decide to attend or not. [Post edited 17 Dec 2021 12:00]
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These are perfectly valid reasons and the risk definitely outweighs the benefits in your case. If you only had your booster yesterday it won't have kicked in by tomorrow. | |
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| Saturday's game feels a bit like Cheltenham 2020 on 11:59 - Dec 17 with 973 views | Vaughan8 |
| Saturday's game feels a bit like Cheltenham 2020 on 11:47 - Dec 17 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Not sure what point you're making, I agree with everything you've said and haven't said otherwise. I haven't said I see a football match as top priority either. I'm just saying it's wrong to say you WILL come into contact with someone who is positive.
I also don't think it's like Cheltenham. There, you're mingling with lots of people. At Portman Road it's only likely to be your mates and the people you sit next to. The fact that the crowd's bigger is irrelevant, you're still only going to come in contact with mates/people you sit near (if you're sensible). |
You're last words are key "if you're sensible". Football fans and sensible don't go well together haha.
In all seriousness, the more people there is, the more chance you're going to get it so I don't agree that is irrelevant.
I've cancelled my Wycombe tickets because I won't have been boosted and its going to be fairly crowded still. | | | |
| Saturday's game feels a bit like Cheltenham 2020 on 12:01 - Dec 17 with 960 views | Whos_blue |
| Saturday's game feels a bit like Cheltenham 2020 on 11:59 - Dec 17 by The_Flashing_Smile |
These are perfectly valid reasons and the risk definitely outweighs the benefits in your case. If you only had your booster yesterday it won't have kicked in by tomorrow. |
Yes. Just realised I missed the word "only" out of the booster sentence.
That's another reason. [Post edited 17 Dec 2021 12:03]
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| Saturday's game feels a bit like Cheltenham 2020 on 12:05 - Dec 17 with 944 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Saturday's game feels a bit like Cheltenham 2020 on 11:59 - Dec 17 by Vaughan8 |
You're last words are key "if you're sensible". Football fans and sensible don't go well together haha.
In all seriousness, the more people there is, the more chance you're going to get it so I don't agree that is irrelevant.
I've cancelled my Wycombe tickets because I won't have been boosted and its going to be fairly crowded still. |
"The more people there is, the more chance you're going to get it so I don't agree that is irrelevant."
How is there more chance you're going to get it? Unless there are normally empty seats next to you, you're going to be sat next to the same amount as you always would. You're going to be next to the same amount in the queue and you're going to pass the same amount as you pass through the concourse.
Unless you masklessly chat to all the people who don't normally come I fail to see how you're more likely to get it. | |
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| Saturday's game feels a bit like Cheltenham 2020 on 12:30 - Dec 17 with 897 views | Kievthegreat |
| Saturday's game feels a bit like Cheltenham 2020 on 10:53 - Dec 17 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Tone it down? You're the one trying to shame people into not going.
You said, "Everyone that goes must go knowing that will be exposed to someone who is positive." That's demonstrably not true and scaremongering.
The "crowd of that many people" is a red herring too. I won't be anywhere near 98% of that crowd. I won't even be near 98% of the people in the North Stand. As I said, they're not all in the same room all mingling with each other.
Yes there is a risk and people should weigh up if it's worth it (and take all the necessary precautions such as masks and not congregating)... but to say EVERYONE who goes will be exposed to someone who's positive is nonsense. |
If you're near 2% of the crowd, were talking 500-600 people, 1 in 400 people in England tested positive in the last 2 days. There is a non-trivial chance you will have an encounter with someone who has covid. It might be the guy next to you for 90 minutes or someone you brush past on the concourse for 2 seconds so the risk can vary wildly, but there are evident risks. |  | | |
| Saturday's game feels a bit like Cheltenham 2020 on 12:50 - Dec 17 with 870 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Saturday's game feels a bit like Cheltenham 2020 on 12:30 - Dec 17 by Kievthegreat |
If you're near 2% of the crowd, were talking 500-600 people, 1 in 400 people in England tested positive in the last 2 days. There is a non-trivial chance you will have an encounter with someone who has covid. It might be the guy next to you for 90 minutes or someone you brush past on the concourse for 2 seconds so the risk can vary wildly, but there are evident risks. |
Indeed, and again I haven't said otherwise. 98% was plucked out of my head - in reality you're not going to be near 500-600 people (or near enough to catch Covid off them).
Of course it might be the guy next to you, or the guy you brush past on the concourse. That guy could equally be in Tescos. Either way, my point was you aren't guaranteed to be coming into contact with Covid just because there's a big crowd, as mookamoo was attesting. | |
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| Saturday's game feels a bit like Cheltenham 2020 on 12:56 - Dec 17 with 865 views | wkj |
| Saturday's game feels a bit like Cheltenham 2020 on 12:50 - Dec 17 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Indeed, and again I haven't said otherwise. 98% was plucked out of my head - in reality you're not going to be near 500-600 people (or near enough to catch Covid off them).
Of course it might be the guy next to you, or the guy you brush past on the concourse. That guy could equally be in Tescos. Either way, my point was you aren't guaranteed to be coming into contact with Covid just because there's a big crowd, as mookamoo was attesting. |
Whilst this may be true for one individual's journey - there are several people who will be in several bubbles in those grounds. People from those bubbles may pass in the ticket line, the train station, or in a pub before and after the game.
There is a much bigger picture here than the immediate contact one individual person has.
Whilst the mathematics probably arent going to reflect you have double the chance to get covid from a 28k crowd as you do a 14k crowd - there is a significantly higher chance at a full stadium then a half empty one |  |
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| Saturday's game feels a bit like Cheltenham 2020 on 13:09 - Dec 17 with 846 views | pointofblue |
I’m swerving tomorrow - I’ve already been pinged as a close contact of someone with Covid (albeit late last week), and even though I’ve had negative LFTs since then I’m not going to risk it, especially with plans over Christmas otherwise at risk too.
Saying that, it’s an individuals choice what to do and I don’t think judgement can be cast about anyone’s approach. | |
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| Saturday's game feels a bit like Cheltenham 2020 on 13:09 - Dec 17 with 845 views | Herbivore |
Think I'm going to give this one a swerve. Have some other important things going on alongside it being Christmas and it just feels like too big a risk. |  |
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| Saturday's game feels a bit like Cheltenham 2020 on 13:21 - Dec 17 with 820 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Saturday's game feels a bit like Cheltenham 2020 on 12:56 - Dec 17 by wkj |
Whilst this may be true for one individual's journey - there are several people who will be in several bubbles in those grounds. People from those bubbles may pass in the ticket line, the train station, or in a pub before and after the game.
There is a much bigger picture here than the immediate contact one individual person has.
Whilst the mathematics probably arent going to reflect you have double the chance to get covid from a 28k crowd as you do a 14k crowd - there is a significantly higher chance at a full stadium then a half empty one |
Again, I haven't said otherwise. The risk is obviously higher the more people you meet, whatever you do. I was simply saying you're not guaranteed to come into contact with someone with Covid just because the crowd's bigger.
A half empty stadium you'd obviously be able to space out more, but we haven't had a half empty stadium all season for league games so I'm not sure how that's relevant. But 28k vs 18k ...really not going to make much difference to your chances of catching Covid. | |
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| Saturday's game feels a bit like Cheltenham 2020 on 14:16 - Dec 17 with 765 views | Kievthegreat |
| Saturday's game feels a bit like Cheltenham 2020 on 12:50 - Dec 17 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Indeed, and again I haven't said otherwise. 98% was plucked out of my head - in reality you're not going to be near 500-600 people (or near enough to catch Covid off them).
Of course it might be the guy next to you, or the guy you brush past on the concourse. That guy could equally be in Tescos. Either way, my point was you aren't guaranteed to be coming into contact with Covid just because there's a big crowd, as mookamoo was attesting. |
I think you'll be in close contact with more people than you think. There will be around 20 people within 2m of your seat for 90 minutes (unless we have a shcoker), including those behind you literally breathing over your all game. Then in the concourse there will be hundreds mingling and making their way past each other.
Guaranteed is overstating it, but I'd wager it's more likely than not given the explosion in cases right now and the 10,000s of people unaware they have it already. [Post edited 17 Dec 2021 14:17]
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| Saturday's game feels a bit like Cheltenham 2020 on 15:10 - Dec 17 with 722 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Saturday's game feels a bit like Cheltenham 2020 on 14:16 - Dec 17 by Kievthegreat |
I think you'll be in close contact with more people than you think. There will be around 20 people within 2m of your seat for 90 minutes (unless we have a shcoker), including those behind you literally breathing over your all game. Then in the concourse there will be hundreds mingling and making their way past each other.
Guaranteed is overstating it, but I'd wager it's more likely than not given the explosion in cases right now and the 10,000s of people unaware they have it already. [Post edited 17 Dec 2021 14:17]
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20 people within 2 meters of my seat? I reckon 5 in front and 5 behind max, two either side so 14 at the very limit would be within 2 meters. Regardless, that's the same every game. It's not more than I think. In SBRL there are hundreds on the concourse every game I need to get past.
I can't speak for other sides of the ground but for me in SBRL I won't be near more people than I would normally. | |
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| Saturday's game feels a bit like Cheltenham 2020 on 16:08 - Dec 17 with 680 views | fab_lover |
| Saturday's game feels a bit like Cheltenham 2020 on 15:10 - Dec 17 by The_Flashing_Smile |
20 people within 2 meters of my seat? I reckon 5 in front and 5 behind max, two either side so 14 at the very limit would be within 2 meters. Regardless, that's the same every game. It's not more than I think. In SBRL there are hundreds on the concourse every game I need to get past.
I can't speak for other sides of the ground but for me in SBRL I won't be near more people than I would normally. |
Yes, but...
In South Africa, it's their summer. It's a place which is much more "outdoors" than here, yet Omicron has still spread there (and from there, probably) with distressing ease, despite the outdoors culture and the warmer weather.
In cold weather, we can literally see our breath in front of our faces. Football fans make noise, they sing and shout (hopefully because the playing's good, but that's another matter !).
It is of course a matter for personal decision. All I'd say is, don't bank on being significantly safer because you're outdoors. This thing spreads like nothing else. |  | | |
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| Saturday's game feels a bit like Cheltenham 2020 on 12:05 - Dec 17 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"The more people there is, the more chance you're going to get it so I don't agree that is irrelevant."
How is there more chance you're going to get it? Unless there are normally empty seats next to you, you're going to be sat next to the same amount as you always would. You're going to be next to the same amount in the queue and you're going to pass the same amount as you pass through the concourse.
Unless you masklessly chat to all the people who don't normally come I fail to see how you're more likely to get it. |
OK. Im guessing you're one of these know-it-alls but actually can't understand basic things. I've bitten and will spell it out for you.
The concourses etc will be busier because there are more people
The toilets will be busier because there is more people
You will queue longer (if that is possible) at the kisoks because there are more people
You will walk close yto and past more people, because you've guessed it, there is more people.
Maybe it's me being thick but this all souns logical to me.
"unless there are normally empty seats next to you" course there sually is for some people. The ground isn't normally full up every week? | | | |
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