| 2-0 down, lost the toss. Do or die ... 23:40 - Dec 25 with 7879 views | XYZ |
... big two hours for Joe Root and his team. |  | | |  |
| 2-0 down, lost the toss. Do or die ... on 12:07 - Dec 27 with 1648 views | ZXBlue |
| 2-0 down, lost the toss. Do or die ... on 11:46 - Dec 27 by Radlett_blue |
It's long been time that Jonny Bairstow should have been abandoned as a Test player. He's a great white ball cricketer, but plays far too loose for Test cricket & at 32 he's not going to get better, especially when he plays so much white ball cricket.
Of course, the problem is whom do you pick instead as none of the current "up & coming" Test batsmen look up to the job. I thought Pope had real potential but his form looks to have tailed off, possibly again from not playing enough first class cricket because of the absurd schedule. |
And yet his average is better than most of hte alternatives. | | | |
| 2-0 down, lost the toss. Do or die ... on 12:16 - Dec 27 with 1640 views | Radlett_blue |
| 2-0 down, lost the toss. Do or die ... on 12:07 - Dec 27 by ZXBlue |
And yet his average is better than most of hte alternatives. |
Yes, that's exactly the problem. Makes sense to try to identify potential proper Test batsmen & give them decent game time in the hope they will learn & improve, but none of the recent recruits - Sibley, Burns, Pope, Livingstone, Crawley, Hameed, Bracy, Denley, Roy, Stoneman, Westley, Jennings - seem to have a Test average any better than Bairstow. |  |
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| 2-0 down, lost the toss. Do or die ... on 12:18 - Dec 27 with 1638 views | chicoazul |
| 2-0 down, lost the toss. Do or die ... on 23:47 - Dec 25 by BlueStreak |
Series lost after session 2 today if it stays overcast. Crawley against the swinging ball lol. 18/2 then 30/3. 144 all out. Hope this comes back to bite me. |
Absolute scenes here. |  |
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| 2-0 down, lost the toss. Do or die ... on 12:20 - Dec 27 with 1628 views | chicoazul |
| 2-0 down, lost the toss. Do or die ... on 13:42 - Dec 26 by Ace_High1 |
Silverwood out.
The word England coach along with Moores.
How many more times does it need to be shown we do not have any good enough English cricket coaches. Need an overseas coach.
Whilst player performance has been poor the whole slide started 15 months ago with the awful preagreed rest and rotation before a ball has even been bowled and the awful match tactics as well as selection. All 3 are Silverwoods main responsibility. |
England are fantastic at two out of three formats. Silverwood is fine and it’s not like he’s leaving out loads of players who are kicking his door down is it. | |
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| 2-0 down, lost the toss. Do or die ... on 12:26 - Dec 27 with 1623 views | Radlett_blue |
| 2-0 down, lost the toss. Do or die ... on 12:20 - Dec 27 by chicoazul |
England are fantastic at two out of three formats. Silverwood is fine and it’s not like he’s leaving out loads of players who are kicking his door down is it. |
I think Silverwood & Root have got a few things wrong in this series, but the abysmal performances of England's top 6 - which is why this series has been a walkover - can't be laid entirely at Silverwood's door for, as you say, there aren't a host of obviously better batters sitting at home in England. | |
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| 2-0 down, lost the toss. Do or die ... on 12:33 - Dec 27 with 1607 views | Ace_High1 |
| 2-0 down, lost the toss. Do or die ... on 12:20 - Dec 27 by chicoazul |
England are fantastic at two out of three formats. Silverwood is fine and it’s not like he’s leaving out loads of players who are kicking his door down is it. |
We won the world cup under Bayliss. Our one day turnaround started in 2015, it is nothing to do with Silverwood.
Arguably we under performed at the one global competition he has coached us in we went in as favourites at the recent T20 World Cup and lost in the semi finals.
We have only gone backwards under Silverwood. |  | | |
| 2-0 down, lost the toss. Do or die ... on 12:40 - Dec 27 with 1593 views | BlueForYou |
"Whilst player performance has been poor the whole slide started 15 months ago with the awful preagreed rest and rotation before a ball has even been bowled and the awful match tactics as well as selection. All 3 are Silverwoods main responsibility. "
Agree with this 100%. The ridiculous rotation started an alarming slide in performance. This was backed up by some stats on commentary during the night. These players aen't as awful as their perfomances suggest. Sibley, Crawley, Pope, Burns, were all making good runs two years ago. Whoever is responsible for their management & development has got something very wrong, & that has to be Silverwood & co. |  | | |
| 2-0 down, lost the toss. Do or die ... on 12:50 - Dec 27 with 1572 views | stonojnr |
| 2-0 down, lost the toss. Do or die ... on 12:33 - Dec 27 by Ace_High1 |
We won the world cup under Bayliss. Our one day turnaround started in 2015, it is nothing to do with Silverwood.
Arguably we under performed at the one global competition he has coached us in we went in as favourites at the recent T20 World Cup and lost in the semi finals.
We have only gone backwards under Silverwood. |
we won the world cup, just, with a big home advantage.
so Bayliss got the job he was asked to deliver done, but dont mistake that he left everything rosy in the England white ball cricket garden. | | | |
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| 2-0 down, lost the toss. Do or die ... on 12:51 - Dec 27 with 1572 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| 2-0 down, lost the toss. Do or die ... on 12:20 - Dec 27 by chicoazul |
England are fantastic at two out of three formats. Silverwood is fine and it’s not like he’s leaving out loads of players who are kicking his door down is it. |
There have been questionable decisions. The bowling line up was all wrong for they wicket in the first 2 tests and what worries is Silverwood says he'd pick the same again.
That said there is no doubt England had a plan for the Ashes at least for the pace attack but injury has kybished that and you feel Archer in particular is a big miss. The one really quick we have on the tour is plagued by injury and you wonder if he's ever bowling fully fit.
I think the batting line up has to be addressed, Stokes and Root aside I don't see anyone in the top 6 who should consider themselves safe. I'd stick with Hameed just becsues he's young and may develop, he needs exposure to different conditions and I think England handled it badly when dropping him so soon after his debut, his form at County level fell of a cliff for a while after that.
But again, I don't see anyone knocking on the door and saying pick me, I do think if we had a top pair that could even get us regularly to 80 plus for 1 the rest of tbe line up would flourish. Root is sheer class and we know Stokes is, the lack of cricket hasn't helped. I think the rest be it Butler, Pope, Woakes or whoever need a platform to suit their game. |  |
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| 2-0 down, lost the toss. Do or die ... on 13:23 - Dec 27 with 1545 views | stonojnr |
| 2-0 down, lost the toss. Do or die ... on 12:40 - Dec 27 by BlueForYou |
"Whilst player performance has been poor the whole slide started 15 months ago with the awful preagreed rest and rotation before a ball has even been bowled and the awful match tactics as well as selection. All 3 are Silverwoods main responsibility. "
Agree with this 100%. The ridiculous rotation started an alarming slide in performance. This was backed up by some stats on commentary during the night. These players aen't as awful as their perfomances suggest. Sibley, Crawley, Pope, Burns, were all making good runs two years ago. Whoever is responsible for their management & development has got something very wrong, & that has to be Silverwood & co. |
the thing with the rotation idea is it was done for the right reasons as England have a long history of burning out players through overseas tours before, you cant listen to how Trott describes how he felt on the Ashes tour in 2013 and not think someone in the England team should have stepped into help him, and I doubt overseas tours at the moment are a bundle of laughs, at least in the T20 games they can count the cash from sitting in hotel rooms all the time.
the problem is the rotation idea was executed badly, so players were rotated who didnt need rotating at all, and new ones brought in hopelessly out of form, and it became a joke, with the management and dont forget Ashley Giles is a big part of this, seemingly not even sure who was available to pick and who wasnt, and we werent playing our best team and we werent preparing a team for this series and so on.
I dont think Silverwood is wholly responsible for the mess they are in, because alot of this is down to the decisions the ECB have made over recent years to focus all their effort on winning the ODI world cup, and create some big bash/ipl tournament whilst not understanding what made those work, but he probably isnt the person who can turn this team around.
and Root probably isnt either as captain, it was interesting listening to Gower, Taylor & Chappell commentate together, as former captains themselves, you get that insight lacking from the TMS mostly bantz era, because they were highlighting the flaws in Roots captaincy in field settings, and bowler choices, and actually saying what theyd be doing instead like bowling your best bowlers at the key moments, setting attacking fields, like Root gave Leach one over before lunch and pushed the fielders to the boundaries, so the Aussies just rotated the strike took a few runs, enabled Wood to change ends but did nothing to boost Leaches confidence, gave no pressure at all and it just wasted time basically, in a session England were on top in. | | | |
| 2-0 down, lost the toss. Do or die ... on 13:34 - Dec 27 with 1538 views | chicoazul |
| 2-0 down, lost the toss. Do or die ... on 13:23 - Dec 27 by stonojnr |
the thing with the rotation idea is it was done for the right reasons as England have a long history of burning out players through overseas tours before, you cant listen to how Trott describes how he felt on the Ashes tour in 2013 and not think someone in the England team should have stepped into help him, and I doubt overseas tours at the moment are a bundle of laughs, at least in the T20 games they can count the cash from sitting in hotel rooms all the time.
the problem is the rotation idea was executed badly, so players were rotated who didnt need rotating at all, and new ones brought in hopelessly out of form, and it became a joke, with the management and dont forget Ashley Giles is a big part of this, seemingly not even sure who was available to pick and who wasnt, and we werent playing our best team and we werent preparing a team for this series and so on.
I dont think Silverwood is wholly responsible for the mess they are in, because alot of this is down to the decisions the ECB have made over recent years to focus all their effort on winning the ODI world cup, and create some big bash/ipl tournament whilst not understanding what made those work, but he probably isnt the person who can turn this team around.
and Root probably isnt either as captain, it was interesting listening to Gower, Taylor & Chappell commentate together, as former captains themselves, you get that insight lacking from the TMS mostly bantz era, because they were highlighting the flaws in Roots captaincy in field settings, and bowler choices, and actually saying what theyd be doing instead like bowling your best bowlers at the key moments, setting attacking fields, like Root gave Leach one over before lunch and pushed the fielders to the boundaries, so the Aussies just rotated the strike took a few runs, enabled Wood to change ends but did nothing to boost Leaches confidence, gave no pressure at all and it just wasted time basically, in a session England were on top in. |
Pretty sure Root is going to quit as captain now. He seems permanently annoyed at everyone around him. | |
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| 2-0 down, lost the toss. Do or die ... on 14:19 - Dec 27 with 1517 views | Ace_High1 |
| 2-0 down, lost the toss. Do or die ... on 12:40 - Dec 27 by BlueForYou |
"Whilst player performance has been poor the whole slide started 15 months ago with the awful preagreed rest and rotation before a ball has even been bowled and the awful match tactics as well as selection. All 3 are Silverwoods main responsibility. "
Agree with this 100%. The ridiculous rotation started an alarming slide in performance. This was backed up by some stats on commentary during the night. These players aen't as awful as their perfomances suggest. Sibley, Crawley, Pope, Burns, were all making good runs two years ago. Whoever is responsible for their management & development has got something very wrong, & that has to be Silverwood & co. |
Exactly they tried to be too clever and too ahead of the curve.
Resting needs to be decided on form and fitness, you cannot allocate matches 3 months before a ball is bowled.
We win in India then send Jos home after one test? Madness, Bairstow then comes in having sat at home in winter and gets bowled for a duck? What do they expect.
Playing a spinner in Brisbane with a green top, then playing 4 seamers in Adelaide when the pitch was dry? Silverwood is county level and yes as someone else has said Giles is not without fault. Second rate journeymen spinner now calling the shots. Shame Strauss had to give the role up as he drove a lot of the right culture within then ECB.
We have talented players who are poorly managed with second rate tactics.
Put likes of Buttler in to the Australia team and he would turn into Gilchrist. | | | |
| 2-0 down, lost the toss. Do or die ... on 14:19 - Dec 27 with 1514 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Erm no. An undercooked England team was always going to be tanked 5-0. You have to recalibrate your expectations - takin a game to a 5th day is the new winn for England | |
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| 2-0 down, lost the toss. Do or die ... on 14:36 - Dec 27 with 1503 views | gordon |
Think if England had been managed and captained a bit differently over the last few years then Ben Foakes, Moeen Ali and Jofra Archer could have been really key players for England in this series.
One of the biggest problems in recent years has been that just before and during home test match series there hasn't been any first-class county cricket being played, so there's no option for potential England players to bat themselves into the team and come in in good form. And now we're touring without proper warm-up matches as well... |  | | |
| 2-0 down, lost the toss. Do or die ... on 16:05 - Dec 27 with 1464 views | XYZ |
Interesting tribute to Jimmy Anderson, including the btl comments.
"Sydney 2011 was last time England won in Australia. Anderson's team mates were: Cook, Strauss, Trott, Pietersen, Bell, Collingwood, Prior, Bresnan, Tremlett, Swann.
Each made his Test debut after Jimmy did. Each played his last Test at least five years ago."
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2021/dec/27/late-career-jimmy-anderson-ch | | | |
| 2-0 down, lost the toss. Do or die ... on 16:14 - Dec 27 with 1445 views | Ryorry |
This thread is sounding like it needs one of those R.I.P. threads all to itself! 
R.I.P. England Test Cricket. For the moment. |  |
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| 2-0 down, lost the toss. Do or die ... on 16:17 - Dec 27 with 1441 views | gordon |
| 2-0 down, lost the toss. Do or die ... on 12:07 - Dec 27 by ZXBlue |
And yet his average is better than most of hte alternatives. |
Bairstow averages 21 and has a high score of 57 since 2019 though. | | | |
| 2-0 down, lost the toss. Do or die ... on 17:25 - Dec 27 with 1398 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| 2-0 down, lost the toss. Do or die ... on 07:28 - Dec 27 by Chrisd |
Based on that from Jack Leach, I think not. 22-4. 60 runs behind seems like 250! |
Why Leach rather than Anderson? Isn't Anderson just about the ideal nightwatchman? Is he not 100%? |  |
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| 2-0 down, lost the toss. Do or die ... on 17:29 - Dec 27 with 1384 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| 2-0 down, lost the toss. Do or die ... on 22:50 - Dec 26 by IpswichKnight |
They are so inept they can’t even catch COVID! Team according to TMS are now on way to MCG after getting the all clear. |
The best outcome would have been forfeiting due to Covid and coming home.
We are not even competing for more than one day in any one test. We are the equivalent of nodge in the Premier League. Completely out of our depth. | |
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| 2-0 down, lost the toss. Do or die ... on 17:29 - Dec 27 with 1383 views | gordon |
| 2-0 down, lost the toss. Do or die ... on 17:25 - Dec 27 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Why Leach rather than Anderson? Isn't Anderson just about the ideal nightwatchman? Is he not 100%? |
Think Jimmy might've had a few thoughts on that plan! | | | |
| 2-0 down, lost the toss. Do or die ... on 17:59 - Dec 27 with 1368 views | Radlett_blue |
| 2-0 down, lost the toss. Do or die ... on 14:36 - Dec 27 by gordon |
Think if England had been managed and captained a bit differently over the last few years then Ben Foakes, Moeen Ali and Jofra Archer could have been really key players for England in this series.
One of the biggest problems in recent years has been that just before and during home test match series there hasn't been any first-class county cricket being played, so there's no option for potential England players to bat themselves into the team and come in in good form. And now we're touring without proper warm-up matches as well... |
This is an interesting piece on England's batting woes. I still think too many decent ability batsmen, such as Stokes, Bairstow & Buttler, get themselves out through impatience.
https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/120396/englands-test-batting-at-rock-botto | |
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| 2-0 down, lost the toss. Do or die ... on 18:05 - Dec 27 with 1366 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| 2-0 down, lost the toss. Do or die ... on 17:29 - Dec 27 by gordon |
Think Jimmy might've had a few thoughts on that plan! |
As in didn't fancy it or did? | |
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| 2-0 down, lost the toss. Do or die ... on 18:29 - Dec 27 with 1357 views | mylittletown |
| 2-0 down, lost the toss. Do or die ... on 14:19 - Dec 27 by Ace_High1 |
Exactly they tried to be too clever and too ahead of the curve.
Resting needs to be decided on form and fitness, you cannot allocate matches 3 months before a ball is bowled.
We win in India then send Jos home after one test? Madness, Bairstow then comes in having sat at home in winter and gets bowled for a duck? What do they expect.
Playing a spinner in Brisbane with a green top, then playing 4 seamers in Adelaide when the pitch was dry? Silverwood is county level and yes as someone else has said Giles is not without fault. Second rate journeymen spinner now calling the shots. Shame Strauss had to give the role up as he drove a lot of the right culture within then ECB.
We have talented players who are poorly managed with second rate tactics.
Put likes of Buttler in to the Australia team and he would turn into Gilchrist. |
No we have talented players with obvious technical flaws.
Apart from Root, and if you took the last 3 years or so only, Stokes, none of the rest average enough to be Test top six regulars. Crawley barely averages 31 in First class cricket - how the hell does he selected for England? |  | | |
| 2-0 down, lost the toss. Do or die ... on 20:00 - Dec 27 with 1316 views | BlueForYou |
Apparently Extras is England’s third highest run scorer this Calender year! | | | |
| 2-0 down, lost the toss. Do or die ... on 00:48 - Dec 28 with 1251 views | Ryorry |
| 2-0 down, lost the toss. Do or die ... on 20:00 - Dec 27 by BlueForYou |
Apparently Extras is England’s third highest run scorer this Calender year! |
When "humiliation" and "joke" are words incorporated into the commentary by English & Aussie pundits respectively, you've just gotta think there are swords within the ECB & England management teams that need falling on. | |
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