| Putin declares war. on 08:00 - Feb 24 with 1107 views | Wacko |
If you don't agree, do some of your own research and come back to me and tell me why I'm wrong. |  |
|  |
| Putin declares war. on 08:03 - Feb 24 with 1091 views | Coastalblue |
| Putin declares war. on 08:00 - Feb 24 by Wacko |
If you don't agree, do some of your own research and come back to me and tell me why I'm wrong. |
You don't think anybody else has done any reading on this? Possibly further than the BBC website too? |  |
| |
| Putin declares war. on 08:03 - Feb 24 with 1093 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Putin declares war. on 08:00 - Feb 24 by Wacko |
If you don't agree, do some of your own research and come back to me and tell me why I'm wrong. |
That poster is in the Baltics, I’m sure he’s more tuned in to the regional geo-politics than you.
Ah the classic “do your research”. On that note I’m out… | | | |
| Putin declares war. on 08:05 - Feb 24 with 1079 views | Wacko |
| Putin declares war. on 08:03 - Feb 24 by Coastalblue |
You don't think anybody else has done any reading on this? Possibly further than the BBC website too? |
Go on then, tell me what you've learnt | |
| |
| Putin declares war. on 08:06 - Feb 24 with 1076 views | noggin |
As a side issue, there will be millions of refugees seeking shelter in the coming days. Hopefully they will be treated with respect and sympathy wherever they find themselves. |  |
| |
| Putin declares war. on 08:10 - Feb 24 with 1038 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Putin declares war. on 08:06 - Feb 24 by noggin |
As a side issue, there will be millions of refugees seeking shelter in the coming days. Hopefully they will be treated with respect and sympathy wherever they find themselves. |
Indeed
Forget football for a minute. by GlasgowBlue 24 Feb 2022 7:31This conflict is expected to create millions of refugees.
With that in mind a charity such as Refugee Action, who help refugees settle in their new countries, may be the place to donate.
https://donate.refugee-action.org.uk/page/53503/donate/1?ea.tracking.id=W1
|  |
| |
| Putin declares war. on 08:17 - Feb 24 with 996 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Putin declares war. on 06:56 - Feb 24 by WestStanderLaLaLa |
What, sanctioning 3 oligarchs wasn’t enough? |
And herein lies a problem. For economic sanctions to properly work, our economy also has to share the pain.
Putin knows that Covid has left western economies in a precarious position and he’s gambled on western leaders not wanting to put too much strain on their own finances. In the case of Johnson, who is a weak PM anyway, he has gambled correctly.
If we are serious then we have to ramp up the sanctions and explain to the general public why we are doing it and how it may well affect them.
Johnson wasn’t a pandemic leader and he’s certainly not a war time leader. [Post edited 24 Feb 2022 9:45]
| |
| |
Login to get fewer ads
| Putin declares war. on 08:19 - Feb 24 with 980 views | GlasgowBlue |
I’m still trying to find reports of an election in the US last month that put Biden in the White House.
So you can stick your free thinking where the sun doesn’t shine. [Post edited 24 Feb 2022 9:47]
| |
| |
| Putin declares war. on 08:19 - Feb 24 with 996 views | BloomBlue |
Sanctions will never stop Putin he will happily accept the people of Russia suffering just to achieve his goal of a new Soviet Union. His speech earlier was all about Ukraine as the aggressor it will be same about the likes of Poland etc after he has full control of Ukraine.
Also any loss of income from the West will be countered in some degree by increases from China who will happily buy his oil etc. Many people predicated if you rely upon Russia for oil and gas they would eventually use it against us but were called old warmongers
The only thing Putin understands is military opposition and that's why he also threaten the West this morning if they try and help.
Sadly for the Ukrainian people they find themselves in the middle of this war. I hope for their sakes and the rest of Europe the other side of Putin's split personality wakes up. |  | | |
| Putin declares war. on 08:20 - Feb 24 with 987 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Putin declares war. on 07:35 - Feb 24 by GlasgowBlue |
Despicable. |
....although wouldn't making some sort of time limited initial assurance have called his bluff and removed that 'excuse' from Putin's propaganda armoury. |  |
| |
| Putin declares war. on 08:20 - Feb 24 with 988 views | Coastalblue |
Maybe because it's all a bit more nuanced than that. The NATO issue is undoubtedly part of the problem, but to suggest it's the only reason and that it justifies what Putin is doing is extremely simplistic.
There have been a number of discussions on here over the last little while, which addressed a number of factors around this, including your own take as part of the bigger picture. | |
| |
| Putin declares war. on 08:23 - Feb 24 with 975 views | Guthrum |
That argument might hold some water if Putin had tried to seriously negotiate, rather than making extraordinary and inflexible demands, then launching an entirely premeditated assault on a sovreign country upon the flimsiest of pretexts, causing unnecessary deaths (perhaps thousands of them, by the time this is over) and implicitly threatening to use weapons of mass destruction on anyone who interferes.
That's not the way a sane, rational statesman behaves. It is, however, characteristic of a warmonger who resorts to force in the first instance.
And a fool. This is likely to have consequences exactly the opposite of increasing Russian security. Sanctions, diplomatic opposition, an increased military buildup on the eastern borders of NATO, formerly neutral countries like Sweden and Finland seeking to join (for their own security, particularly the latter).
The bitterest irony is that it is unlikely Ukraine could have achieved NATO membership any time soon, even if the application had progressed beyong the "gentle feelers" stage. |  |
| |
| Putin declares war. on 08:24 - Feb 24 with 965 views | N2_Blue |
| Putin declares war. on 08:19 - Feb 24 by BloomBlue |
Sanctions will never stop Putin he will happily accept the people of Russia suffering just to achieve his goal of a new Soviet Union. His speech earlier was all about Ukraine as the aggressor it will be same about the likes of Poland etc after he has full control of Ukraine.
Also any loss of income from the West will be countered in some degree by increases from China who will happily buy his oil etc. Many people predicated if you rely upon Russia for oil and gas they would eventually use it against us but were called old warmongers
The only thing Putin understands is military opposition and that's why he also threaten the West this morning if they try and help.
Sadly for the Ukrainian people they find themselves in the middle of this war. I hope for their sakes and the rest of Europe the other side of Putin's split personality wakes up. |
exactly, sanctions will be pointless because Russia is not a democracy, we all know Putin is guaranteed his position for ever more, dictatorship in all but name.
So Russian people will feel the full force of sanctions but can't do anything about it because its not a democratic country.
The West are screwed because they've been weak with Putin for years and now it's too late to be able to do anything. |  |
| |
| Putin declares war. on 08:27 - Feb 24 with 949 views | Wacko |
| Putin declares war. on 08:19 - Feb 24 by GlasgowBlue |
I’m still trying to find reports of an election in the US last month that put Biden in the White House.
So you can stick your free thinking where the sun doesn’t shine. [Post edited 24 Feb 2022 9:47]
|
I don't think I've ever had a grown up discussion with you | |
| |
| Putin declares war. on 08:27 - Feb 24 with 949 views | BlueBadger |
| Putin declares war. on 07:48 - Feb 24 by Wacko |
No I just have the intelligence to look into the details, and why it's happening a month after Biden was elected.
No point being rude. |
State of this. |  |
| |
| Putin declares war. on 08:28 - Feb 24 with 942 views | BlueBadger |
| Putin declares war. on 08:27 - Feb 24 by Wacko |
I don't think I've ever had a grown up discussion with you |
I don't I've ever had one with you either. I wonder what the common denominator could be? | |
| |
| Putin declares war. on 08:29 - Feb 24 with 939 views | BlueBadger |
What exactly about the openly violent, corrupt and bigoted Putin appeals to you? | |
| |
| Putin declares war. on 08:31 - Feb 24 with 918 views | Guthrum |
The accession of Ukraine to NATO would make not one jot of difference to MAD. It is "balanced" - in the sense that both sides could wreak catastrophic destruction upon the other - many times over.
We are no longer in a Cuban Missile Crisis era when missiles barely had the range to reach targets deep in the other side's homeland. Bases in Ukraine are not needed to threaten Moscow. For that matter, Ukraine's military is not going to tip the balance against Russia in a conventional war.
This is entirely about Putin's empire-building. | |
| |
| Putin declares war. on 08:31 - Feb 24 with 915 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Putin declares war. on 07:53 - Feb 24 by GlasgowBlue |
You are a perfect example of why RT should be taken down immediately.
Nothing less than apologism for a despotic regime. Utterly shameful to see this on TWTD. [Post edited 24 Feb 2022 7:54]
|
Not sure I read the bit where he/she excused Putin for being a macho prick. We have allowed a global situation to evolve of strong arm politics and 'might is right' on all sides. Our Emperors have no clothes and yet we all play ball and give them our consent. | |
| |
| Putin declares war. on 08:31 - Feb 24 with 919 views | blueasfook |
| Putin declares war. on 06:56 - Feb 24 by solomon |
We can only hope there is still time for a peaceful outcome, I doubt it though. |
Not now. He is going to take over all of Ukraine. Only question is, will he stop there? Likes of Estonia, Latvia should be worried.
This is the most perilous situation in Europe since the outbreak of WW2.
Just nuke him now I say. |  |
| |
| Putin declares war. on 08:32 - Feb 24 with 900 views | Guthrum |
I have. | |
| |
| Putin declares war. on 08:32 - Feb 24 with 900 views | noggin |
| Putin declares war. on 08:31 - Feb 24 by blueasfook |
Not now. He is going to take over all of Ukraine. Only question is, will he stop there? Likes of Estonia, Latvia should be worried.
This is the most perilous situation in Europe since the outbreak of WW2.
Just nuke him now I say. |
Nuke him? I hope you're joking. | |
| |
| Putin declares war. on 08:33 - Feb 24 with 891 views | blueasfook |
| Putin declares war. on 08:32 - Feb 24 by noggin |
Nuke him? I hope you're joking. |
Nah act swift and decisively.
We know how this plays out from lessons learned in the 1930s. | |
| |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
