| Putin declares war. on 10:18 - Feb 24 with 653 views | Mercian |
| Putin declares war. on 10:13 - Feb 24 by blueasfook |
Thats true. We built Spitfires, which basically saved our asses from German invasion |
If we had gone to war with Germany in 1938 we would have won. If we had retaken the Rhineland after the invasion of Poland we would have won. By the time we went to de facto war after the invasion of France it became a lot more difficult but we still won. |  | |  |
| Putin declares war. on 10:19 - Feb 24 with 645 views | noggin |
| Putin declares war. on 10:14 - Feb 24 by Mercian |
Will I still be a stupid boy when Putin decides that he will reform The Warsaw Pact by force? |
Just pulling your leg fella. Keep bulling your boots. |  |
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| Putin declares war. on 10:19 - Feb 24 with 638 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Putin declares war. on 10:16 - Feb 24 by Wacko |
In the eyes of each side.
I'm not making a comment on who is morally right |
So you think Putin thinks NATO is forcing countries to join it?! |  |
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| Putin declares war. on 10:19 - Feb 24 with 636 views | blueasfook |
| Putin declares war. on 10:13 - Feb 24 by Swansea_Blue |
Some people say he committed unimaginable, barbaric atrocities, while others point out his good record on employment, advancement of science and artistic talents. I like to think the truth is somewhere in the middle.
Def info. [Post edited 24 Feb 2022 10:20]
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Nothing like waging war on all of Europe to stimulate the job market |  |
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| Putin declares war. on 10:20 - Feb 24 with 629 views | noggin |
| Putin declares war. on 10:18 - Feb 24 by Mercian |
If we had gone to war with Germany in 1938 we would have won. If we had retaken the Rhineland after the invasion of Poland we would have won. By the time we went to de facto war after the invasion of France it became a lot more difficult but we still won. |
When you say 'we won'... | |
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| Putin declares war. on 10:21 - Feb 24 with 609 views | blueasfook |
| Putin declares war. on 10:18 - Feb 24 by Mercian |
If we had gone to war with Germany in 1938 we would have won. If we had retaken the Rhineland after the invasion of Poland we would have won. By the time we went to de facto war after the invasion of France it became a lot more difficult but we still won. |
Well we didnt really win as such. We held them off for a few years until America joined the war. Hitler's 2 biggest mistakes in the war were not invading Britain and starting a fight with Russia. | |
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| Putin declares war. on 10:22 - Feb 24 with 603 views | Wacko |
| Putin declares war. on 10:05 - Feb 24 by nodge_blue |
Countries have a right to determine their own alliances and if they wish to join organisations like the EU or indeed NATO.
You make it sound like nato has forced them to join. And they haven’t.
I despise your line of argument. Especially at a time when people are being killed by an aggressor who is a dictator and acting like hitler. |
They haven't forced them to join because they haven't even joined.
I think you're missing the point. I'm not defending Putin. Countries have every right to do what they want. But if that results in a war (rightly or wrongly), then these things have to be seriously considered |  |
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| Putin declares war. on 10:22 - Feb 24 with 598 views | Mercian |
| Putin declares war. on 10:20 - Feb 24 by noggin |
When you say 'we won'... |
Did you not do history at school? | | | |
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| Putin declares war. on 10:23 - Feb 24 with 595 views | Guthrum |
| Putin declares war. on 09:45 - Feb 24 by Wacko |
Maybe you're right, but this is all conjecture.
It just seems a coincidence that Putin wasn't interested in empire-building until 2014 |
Have you forgotten the Georgian conflict of 2008, the anti-secessionist fighting in Chechniya? |  |
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| Putin declares war. on 10:23 - Feb 24 with 589 views | BlueBadger |
| Putin declares war. on 10:19 - Feb 24 by blueasfook |
Nothing like waging war on all of Europe to stimulate the job market |
Thousands, nay millions, of young men got opportunities to travel that they wouldn't;t have otherwise had. |  |
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| Putin declares war. on 10:23 - Feb 24 with 587 views | noggin |
| Putin declares war. on 10:22 - Feb 24 by Mercian |
Did you not do history at school? |
Sorry, I should have emphasised the 'we'. | |
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| Putin declares war. on 10:25 - Feb 24 with 572 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Putin declares war. on 10:23 - Feb 24 by noggin |
Sorry, I should have emphasised the 'we'. |
I still don't think he'd get it. | |
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| Putin declares war. on 10:26 - Feb 24 with 558 views | Wacko |
| Putin declares war. on 10:19 - Feb 24 by The_Flashing_Smile |
So you think Putin thinks NATO is forcing countries to join it?! |
Well, if you're looking at the evidence that the US instigated the Maidan revolution and installed their own leader, then maybe. But I'm not Putin | |
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| Putin declares war. on 10:30 - Feb 24 with 533 views | Mercian |
| Putin declares war. on 10:23 - Feb 24 by Guthrum |
Have you forgotten the Georgian conflict of 2008, the anti-secessionist fighting in Chechniya? |
I am beginning to lose count on how many breakaway republics backed by Putin and recognised by only Russia and each other. South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Luhansk, Donesk and Transnistria not to mention the puppet state of Belarus. I might be missing some. Who's next I wonder, perhaps Bulgaria and The Baltic States, maybe even Finland. [Post edited 24 Feb 2022 10:31]
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| Putin declares war. on 10:30 - Feb 24 with 529 views | Wacko |
| Putin declares war. on 10:23 - Feb 24 by Guthrum |
Have you forgotten the Georgian conflict of 2008, the anti-secessionist fighting in Chechniya? |
No, but it's not entirely the same. They were all about not allowing tiny upstarts to make Putin / Russia seem weak. Classic empire-retaining, but not empire-building | |
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| Putin declares war. on 10:31 - Feb 24 with 517 views | nodge_blue |
| Putin declares war. on 10:22 - Feb 24 by Wacko |
They haven't forced them to join because they haven't even joined.
I think you're missing the point. I'm not defending Putin. Countries have every right to do what they want. But if that results in a war (rightly or wrongly), then these things have to be seriously considered |
Your earlier argument was that NATO was encroaching on Russia - which could only have been alluding to the Baltic States joining NATO.
The only state that hasnt is Ukraine - and has that stopped an attack? No.
Whats resulted in a war is a dictator who has imprisoned and poisoned his internal political opponents and is now looking to expand Russian influence by force back into the previous USSR controlled empire.
Im not missing any point. |  |
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| Putin declares war. on 10:32 - Feb 24 with 508 views | Wacko |
| Putin declares war. on 10:30 - Feb 24 by Mercian |
I am beginning to lose count on how many breakaway republics backed by Putin and recognised by only Russia and each other. South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Luhansk, Donesk and Transnistria not to mention the puppet state of Belarus. I might be missing some. Who's next I wonder, perhaps Bulgaria and The Baltic States, maybe even Finland. [Post edited 24 Feb 2022 10:31]
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All these have been around for a while. The irony is Russia has a vast number of autonomous states (who obviously toe the line) | |
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| Putin declares war. on 10:32 - Feb 24 with 507 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Putin declares war. on 10:26 - Feb 24 by Wacko |
Well, if you're looking at the evidence that the US instigated the Maidan revolution and installed their own leader, then maybe. But I'm not Putin |
You/Putin think the US forced all of NATO's countries to join??!?
I'm done with this. People keep correcting you and you just keep doubling down in your ignorance.
You are silly. You should be mates with blueas. | |
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| Putin declares war. on 10:36 - Feb 24 with 492 views | WeWereZombies |
| Putin declares war. on 10:08 - Feb 24 by Churchman |
He didn’t have a choice. Britain’s power was waning, Churchill knew it, Hitler was the main threat - a shared enemy. Power games, principally between US/USSR. As for a drink, Churchill couldn’t keep his hands off it. He was never going to turn down one of Joe’s cocktails.
Britain came very close to declaring war on Russia over Finland, remember. Everybody loathed Stalin not least the Russians, but boy was he feared. |
My objection to your previous post was in the depiction of Stalin as 'thick', I see him as someone who was very cold and calculating. Britain still had considerable resources from Empire and sphere of influence to call upon (India, Australia, Canada, South Africa, Jamaica, New Zealand to name a few of the major ones) so Churchill didn't have to cement an alliance with the Soviet Union, he could have played a diplomatic game of 'we take care of the Western and African fronts, you take care of the Eastern front...and never the twain shall meet' (which is effectively what happened with China but China was in a state of civil war so there was little room for manoeuvre there.) |  |
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| Putin declares war. on 10:37 - Feb 24 with 476 views | Wacko |
| Putin declares war. on 10:26 - Feb 24 by Wacko |
Well, if you're looking at the evidence that the US instigated the Maidan revolution and installed their own leader, then maybe. But I'm not Putin |
Why the downvote? Did you miss this?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26079957
I've posted it about 3 times | |
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| Putin declares war. on 10:38 - Feb 24 with 469 views | Mercian |
Nothing like blaming the victim. | | | |
| Putin declares war. on 10:40 - Feb 24 with 462 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Putin declares war. on 09:03 - Feb 24 by Wacko |
I might be repeating points in my other response, but what's the difference between Putin's empire-building and NATO's empire building? If it makes no difference, but it creates a perceived threat to one party, why not give him that assurance Ukraine won't join?
I'm sure neither of us have the mindset of world leaders, but I believe the big problem is big d*ck posturing on both sides. Getting Ukraine to join your side is the ultimate show of dominance |
FFS!!!! Sovereign countries freely apply to join NATO. Putin's empire building involves invading sovereign countries. |  |
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| Putin declares war. on 10:40 - Feb 24 with 463 views | Wacko |
| Putin declares war. on 10:31 - Feb 24 by nodge_blue |
Your earlier argument was that NATO was encroaching on Russia - which could only have been alluding to the Baltic States joining NATO.
The only state that hasnt is Ukraine - and has that stopped an attack? No.
Whats resulted in a war is a dictator who has imprisoned and poisoned his internal political opponents and is now looking to expand Russian influence by force back into the previous USSR controlled empire.
Im not missing any point. |
Ok, encroaching with the Baltic states, and perceived encroaching with the shift in power in Ukraine. The possibility is now there, where it wasn't before.
What Putin has done / is doing in his own country is horrible but sadly no one has the power to stop him | |
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| Putin declares war. on 10:42 - Feb 24 with 455 views | Guthrum |
Good luck with that. Kaliningrad is essentially a strategic military base, there is no chance whatsoever of Russia letting it go. | |
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