| The death penalty 09:17 - Mar 10 with 19760 views | SitfcB |
Bring it back.
Especially for scum like Ian Huntley.
How much does looking after that c**t, and others like him, in prison cost the UK taxpayer? Waste of resources.
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| The death penalty on 12:08 - Mar 10 with 1399 views | Guthrum |
| The death penalty on 10:19 - Mar 10 by SitfcB |
I’m sure they’d be a queue of people that would kill Huntley for free, heck some people may even pay to do it!
Not saying bring it back how it was, just annoying these wasters live a life paid by us. |
The method was not the problem. Hanging as it was conducted in the 20th century in the UK was about as quick and humane a method of execution as is possible. If done efficiently, it was considerably quicker than lethal injection, as little as 12 seconds from entering the condemned cell.
But even the noted hangman Albert Pierrepoint did not consider it a deterrant. Worth looking at the cases of Timothy Evans, Derek Bentley and Ruth Ellis (all hanged by Pierrepoint) to see why the death penalty for murder is unreliable or excessive. Also the Birmingham Six, who would have been executed had it not been abolished.
There is no way to make a legal distinction based upon reliability of conviction (i.e. "he definitely did it"). All those found guilty are so upon the basis of 'beyond all reasonable doubt'. Unless and until proven otherwise, the process is considered to be flawless - the court may be unaware that information had been carelessly interpreted, withheld or confessions extorted.
The only way around it is to keep the condemned alive in prison for the best part of 20 years worth of appeals, as they do in the US. Which is about the same length of time as the average Life Sentence in the UK*.
* However, those sentenced to Life are never completely released, but can be recalled to prison if conditions are broken. |  |
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| The death penalty on 12:09 - Mar 10 with 1378 views | Seablu |
| The death penalty on 12:01 - Mar 10 by noggin |
So what are your thoughts about the Paras, who shot protesters on Bloody Sunday, receiving the death sentence? [Post edited 10 Mar 2022 12:02]
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U don’t get it mate he dont care
This sort of talk goes down well in the Weatherspoons during cave painting evenings. |  | | |
| The death penalty on 12:10 - Mar 10 with 1378 views | SitfcB |
| The death penalty on 12:09 - Mar 10 by Seablu |
U don’t get it mate he dont care
This sort of talk goes down well in the Weatherspoons during cave painting evenings. |
Wetherspoons* | |
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| The death penalty on 12:12 - Mar 10 with 1361 views | SitfcB |
| The death penalty on 11:53 - Mar 10 by noggin |
Have you ever visited a cat a prison? |
No, just cat D on my CV. | |
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| The death penalty on 12:14 - Mar 10 with 1338 views | Ryorry |
| The death penalty on 12:10 - Mar 10 by SitfcB |
Wetherspoons* |
Visiting that place regularly, thus knowing how to spell it, should be a hanging offence 
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| The death penalty on 12:14 - Mar 10 with 1331 views | BlueLikeJazz |
| The death penalty on 11:38 - Mar 10 by SitfcB |
Why are people seemingly sympathetic over something like this? What Ian Huntley did was abhorrent. |
Oh for heaven's sake, literally nobody is sympathetic to Huntley. You insinuating here that people who are anti-death penalty on a point of principle are sympathetic to him is as disgusting as your torture porn fantasy posts are. Grow up. |  | | |
| The death penalty on 12:15 - Mar 10 with 1304 views | Seablu |
| The death penalty on 12:10 - Mar 10 by SitfcB |
Wetherspoons* |
No wonder I couldn’t find my nearest one on Google..
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| The death penalty on 12:16 - Mar 10 with 1306 views | noggin |
| The death penalty on 12:14 - Mar 10 by BlueLikeJazz |
Oh for heaven's sake, literally nobody is sympathetic to Huntley. You insinuating here that people who are anti-death penalty on a point of principle are sympathetic to him is as disgusting as your torture porn fantasy posts are. Grow up. |
Yep, the bottom line is, you need to grow up Sitters. You're coming across as a bit of a tit. |  |
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| The death penalty on 12:24 - Mar 10 with 1269 views | J2BLUE |
Most rational people would be against the death penalty when they are calm but i'm sure we have all seen something in the news which has made us briefly reconsider.
Sitters is human. Huntley is scum. Sometimes in the heat of the moment it's easy to let yourself wish death upon people like Huntley. |  |
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| The death penalty on 12:29 - Mar 10 with 1242 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The death penalty on 10:54 - Mar 10 by SitfcB |
Doesn’t have to be instant death either does it, can be torture. Cut balls off etc |
You may have accidentally hit on the solution here sitters. Cut the balls of a sex offender off, and if it is later found to have been a miscarriage of justice then we just sew them back on. |  |
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| The death penalty on 12:30 - Mar 10 with 1247 views | SitfcB |
| The death penalty on 12:24 - Mar 10 by J2BLUE |
Most rational people would be against the death penalty when they are calm but i'm sure we have all seen something in the news which has made us briefly reconsider.
Sitters is human. Huntley is scum. Sometimes in the heat of the moment it's easy to let yourself wish death upon people like Huntley. |
There was a new documentary on the Soham murders on channel 5 last night, part two tonight, which prompted me to think about it.
I was only 10 at the time, the same age as the girls :(, I have a little recollection of it from back then and have seen bits and pieces of programmes about it before but this current one a bit more in depth and it’s just unbelievable what he done when the search was going on etc let alone what he actually done. How anyone can do what he did and then have the audacity to speak to the press etc so openly and brazen. Vile. | |
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| The death penalty on 12:33 - Mar 10 with 1229 views | GlasgowBlue |
| The death penalty on 12:08 - Mar 10 by Guthrum |
The method was not the problem. Hanging as it was conducted in the 20th century in the UK was about as quick and humane a method of execution as is possible. If done efficiently, it was considerably quicker than lethal injection, as little as 12 seconds from entering the condemned cell.
But even the noted hangman Albert Pierrepoint did not consider it a deterrant. Worth looking at the cases of Timothy Evans, Derek Bentley and Ruth Ellis (all hanged by Pierrepoint) to see why the death penalty for murder is unreliable or excessive. Also the Birmingham Six, who would have been executed had it not been abolished.
There is no way to make a legal distinction based upon reliability of conviction (i.e. "he definitely did it"). All those found guilty are so upon the basis of 'beyond all reasonable doubt'. Unless and until proven otherwise, the process is considered to be flawless - the court may be unaware that information had been carelessly interpreted, withheld or confessions extorted.
The only way around it is to keep the condemned alive in prison for the best part of 20 years worth of appeals, as they do in the US. Which is about the same length of time as the average Life Sentence in the UK*.
* However, those sentenced to Life are never completely released, but can be recalled to prison if conditions are broken. |
This is an interesting map.
Bizarre to think that the French were still beheading people as recently as 1977. | |
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| The death penalty on 12:37 - Mar 10 with 1213 views | BarcaBlue |
| The death penalty on 12:33 - Mar 10 by GlasgowBlue |
This is an interesting map.
Bizarre to think that the French were still beheading people as recently as 1977. |
Bizarre to think one person in this thread advocates stoning and another is in support. |  | | |
| The death penalty on 12:49 - Mar 10 with 1180 views | textbackup |
| The death penalty on 12:01 - Mar 10 by noggin |
So what are your thoughts about the Paras, who shot protesters on Bloody Sunday, receiving the death sentence? [Post edited 10 Mar 2022 12:02]
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whilst i didnt join the conversation to discuss that, i was talking specifically child killers....
anywaaaaaay as you asked......
were they under instruction to do so from those above them, or just took it upon themselves to fire? cant say i know much about the situation so you'll need to break it down for me to give an opinion [Post edited 10 Mar 2022 12:53]
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| The death penalty on 12:55 - Mar 10 with 1156 views | SitfcB |
| The death penalty on 12:33 - Mar 10 by GlasgowBlue |
This is an interesting map.
Bizarre to think that the French were still beheading people as recently as 1977. |
That should say still ongoing over Russia. | |
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| The death penalty on 12:58 - Mar 10 with 1141 views | BiGDonnie |
| The death penalty on 11:12 - Mar 10 by Lord_Lucan |
Ooooh Sitters - you're gonna get mullered here by the fannies!
Having said that I make them right. The death penalty is backward and barbaric. |
Wish I was being mullered by a fanny, it's been a while! |  |
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| The death penalty on 13:00 - Mar 10 with 1136 views | BiGDonnie |
| The death penalty on 11:53 - Mar 10 by noggin |
Have you ever visited a cat a prison? |
Anyone else read this and think 'I never knew cats went to prison'.
No? Didn't think so. | |
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| The death penalty on 13:07 - Mar 10 with 1118 views | SitfcB |
| The death penalty on 12:16 - Mar 10 by noggin |
Yep, the bottom line is, you need to grow up Sitters. You're coming across as a bit of a tit. |
Whatever. | |
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| The death penalty on 13:07 - Mar 10 with 1115 views | noggin |
| The death penalty on 12:49 - Mar 10 by textbackup |
whilst i didnt join the conversation to discuss that, i was talking specifically child killers....
anywaaaaaay as you asked......
were they under instruction to do so from those above them, or just took it upon themselves to fire? cant say i know much about the situation so you'll need to break it down for me to give an opinion [Post edited 10 Mar 2022 12:53]
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Well that's what a court case would need to establish but someone was guilty of cold blooded murder that day, which is my point. The Rules Of Engagement are pretty clear and so ultimately the soldier pulling the trigger is responsible for his actions. | |
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| The death penalty on 13:09 - Mar 10 with 1104 views | SitfcB |
| The death penalty on 12:14 - Mar 10 by BlueLikeJazz |
Oh for heaven's sake, literally nobody is sympathetic to Huntley. You insinuating here that people who are anti-death penalty on a point of principle are sympathetic to him is as disgusting as your torture porn fantasy posts are. Grow up. |
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| The death penalty on 13:09 - Mar 10 with 1102 views | SitfcB |
| The death penalty on 13:00 - Mar 10 by BiGDonnie |
Anyone else read this and think 'I never knew cats went to prison'.
No? Didn't think so. |
Ha yes, I was going to make some sort of Zouma joke etc. | |
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| The death penalty on 13:12 - Mar 10 with 1096 views | SitfcB |
| The death penalty on 12:29 - Mar 10 by GlasgowBlue |
You may have accidentally hit on the solution here sitters. Cut the balls of a sex offender off, and if it is later found to have been a miscarriage of justice then we just sew them back on. |
Keep them in with the gerkins. | |
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| The death penalty on 13:14 - Mar 10 with 1087 views | BiGDonnie |
| The death penalty on 13:09 - Mar 10 by SitfcB |
Ha yes, I was going to make some sort of Zouma joke etc. |
There's all sorts of innuendo's in this thread.
Someone just said you were coming on a tit? [Post edited 10 Mar 2022 13:14]
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| The death penalty on 13:19 - Mar 10 with 1073 views | SitfcB |
| The death penalty on 13:14 - Mar 10 by BiGDonnie |
There's all sorts of innuendo's in this thread.
Someone just said you were coming on a tit? [Post edited 10 Mar 2022 13:14]
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Only if it’s a chopped off tit some would say. | |
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| The death penalty on 13:25 - Mar 10 with 1064 views | Blue_Order |
An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind. |  | | |
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