| The death penalty 09:17 - Mar 10 with 19727 views | SitfcB |
Bring it back.
Especially for scum like Ian Huntley.
How much does looking after that c**t, and others like him, in prison cost the UK taxpayer? Waste of resources.
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| The death penalty on 04:43 - Jan 21 with 1846 views | Benters |
| The death penalty on 22:47 - Jan 20 by SitfcB |
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He also seriously injured many more,for Cs like this definitely bring it back. |  |
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| The death penalty on 10:48 - Jan 21 with 1660 views | itfc_bucks |
| The death penalty on 22:47 - Jan 20 by SitfcB |
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FFS Sitters...I thought you might have matured past this sort of nonsense. |  | | |
| The death penalty on 10:56 - Jan 21 with 1641 views | leitrimblue |
I was involved in excavating an area of land near Soham that the police thought those 2 poor girls bodies may have been buried. Was a feckin awful way to start a Monday morning.
I'd probably be happy to beat Huntley to death myself just for putting me through that.. |  | | |
| The death penalty on 08:11 - Jan 22 with 1433 views | tractordownsouth |
I’m against the death penalty primarily because miscarriages of justice cannot be reversed.
I also think it’s soft on criminals. The Southport perpetrator will almost certainly get a whole life sentence - why give him the easy get out of the death penalty instead of letting him endure a long miserable life inside? |  |
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| The death penalty on 08:15 - Jan 22 with 1403 views | Zx1988 |
| The death penalty on 22:47 - Jan 20 by SitfcB |
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I'm not sure that euthanising the mentally ill is the flex that you think it is.
That said, it's probably right up Elon's street. | |
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| The death penalty on 08:32 - Jan 22 with 1357 views | azuremerlangus |
| The death penalty on 10:59 - Mar 10 by noggin |
Maybe stoning in the town square, like in Saudi Arabia would satisfy your thirst for blood. |
“Are there any women here today?” |  |
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| The death penalty on 08:51 - Jan 22 with 1310 views | Trequartista |
| The death penalty on 09:33 - Mar 10 by Cotty |
Please google "UK miscarriages of justice". |
Would they have all been sentenced to death under a death penalty that required "beyond any doubt" ?
We accept deaths on the road of innocent people every day, so why not accept miscarriage of justice will have some deaths ?
I'm not saying I disagree, but it's not the slam-dunk you think it is. |  |
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| The death penalty on 08:53 - Jan 22 with 1289 views | Swansea_Blue |
| The death penalty on 08:11 - Jan 22 by tractordownsouth |
I’m against the death penalty primarily because miscarriages of justice cannot be reversed.
I also think it’s soft on criminals. The Southport perpetrator will almost certainly get a whole life sentence - why give him the easy get out of the death penalty instead of letting him endure a long miserable life inside? |
Agreed. One argument I always see for the death sentence is cost, but there’s lots of things we collectively contribute to that we don’t use ourselves. Maybe we could be more creative about how we extract value from prisoners. I don’t see why they can’t work for nothing while the state is housing and feeding them, for example. Like an expanded community service but on the inside. That probably happens already to some degree - I know prisoners in Dartmoor used to make JBL speaker cabinets. That value benefits the company though - surely they could do something that benefits society rather than private companies. |  |
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| The death penalty on 08:55 - Jan 22 with 1277 views | Zx1988 |
| The death penalty on 08:51 - Jan 22 by Trequartista |
Would they have all been sentenced to death under a death penalty that required "beyond any doubt" ?
We accept deaths on the road of innocent people every day, so why not accept miscarriage of justice will have some deaths ?
I'm not saying I disagree, but it's not the slam-dunk you think it is. |
Derek Bentley certainly was, and that was despite the jury recommending that the death penalty not be used in this instance. [Post edited 22 Jan 8:57]
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| The death penalty on 09:02 - Jan 22 with 1232 views | Trequartista |
| The death penalty on 08:55 - Jan 22 by Zx1988 |
Derek Bentley certainly was, and that was despite the jury recommending that the death penalty not be used in this instance. [Post edited 22 Jan 8:57]
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If the jury were not recommending it maybe it was not "beyond doubt" and therefore would not qualify if I what I suggested was installed.
I'm actually against it on balance, strangely for similar reasons that I am against VAR, what constitutes "clear and obvious" is the same issue as what constitutes "beyond doubt".
I'm not against it on moral grounds though. I believe justice is when the perpetrator gets a punishment that fits a crime, regardless of any notion of vengeance.
But as I said, I don't think its the slam-dunk its made out to be by a lot of people who are against. [Post edited 22 Jan 9:03]
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| The death penalty on 09:02 - Jan 22 with 1224 views | Tangledupin_Blue |
| The death penalty on 08:51 - Jan 22 by Trequartista |
Would they have all been sentenced to death under a death penalty that required "beyond any doubt" ?
We accept deaths on the road of innocent people every day, so why not accept miscarriage of justice will have some deaths ?
I'm not saying I disagree, but it's not the slam-dunk you think it is. |
Yeah... let's just casually accept that a few deaths of innocent unlucky people should be no bar to our bloodlust. |  |
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| The death penalty on 09:04 - Jan 22 with 1200 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The death penalty on 08:51 - Jan 22 by Trequartista |
Would they have all been sentenced to death under a death penalty that required "beyond any doubt" ?
We accept deaths on the road of innocent people every day, so why not accept miscarriage of justice will have some deaths ?
I'm not saying I disagree, but it's not the slam-dunk you think it is. |
I'm not sure what deaths on the road has got to do with it. Because people tragically die in accidents, it's fine for the state to murder innocent people?! |  |
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| The death penalty on 09:04 - Jan 22 with 1199 views | Trequartista |
| The death penalty on 09:02 - Jan 22 by Tangledupin_Blue |
Yeah... let's just casually accept that a few deaths of innocent unlucky people should be no bar to our bloodlust. |
Some say bloodlust, some say justice. | |
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| The death penalty on 09:05 - Jan 22 with 1190 views | noggin |
| The death penalty on 08:55 - Jan 22 by Zx1988 |
Derek Bentley certainly was, and that was despite the jury recommending that the death penalty not be used in this instance. [Post edited 22 Jan 8:57]
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The Birmingham 6 is another example of huge injutice. |  |
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| The death penalty on 09:08 - Jan 22 with 1174 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The death penalty on 09:02 - Jan 22 by Trequartista |
If the jury were not recommending it maybe it was not "beyond doubt" and therefore would not qualify if I what I suggested was installed.
I'm actually against it on balance, strangely for similar reasons that I am against VAR, what constitutes "clear and obvious" is the same issue as what constitutes "beyond doubt".
I'm not against it on moral grounds though. I believe justice is when the perpetrator gets a punishment that fits a crime, regardless of any notion of vengeance.
But as I said, I don't think its the slam-dunk its made out to be by a lot of people who are against. [Post edited 22 Jan 9:03]
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You then just move to what constitutes "punishment that fits a crime". | |
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| The death penalty on 09:08 - Jan 22 with 1178 views | Trequartista |
| The death penalty on 09:04 - Jan 22 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I'm not sure what deaths on the road has got to do with it. Because people tragically die in accidents, it's fine for the state to murder innocent people?! |
What it has to do with it is that it's an example of where the state already accepts innocent death. | |
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| The death penalty on 09:17 - Jan 22 with 1122 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Great - let’s reinstate it and join an elite list of states such as China, Iran, North Korea, Saudi, and Alabama. | | | |
| The death penalty on 09:23 - Jan 22 with 1112 views | Zx1988 |
| The death penalty on 09:08 - Jan 22 by Trequartista |
What it has to do with it is that it's an example of where the state already accepts innocent death. |
They're wholly incomparable.
One is an accident, the other is state-committed murder. Other than both resulting in death, they have no other comparable aspects.
It's also likely that capital punishment will end up in even more miscarriages of justice than is currently the case. Assuming that a stance would be adopted whereby (for the majority of capital offences) an early guilty plea would take the death penalty off the table, you can easily see that some suspects may feel coerced into pleading guilty. | |
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| The death penalty on 09:33 - Jan 22 with 1067 views | DJR |
It's not quite on all fours, but I always think justice isn't served when a mass killer in the States (as always seems to be the case) is shot dead at the scene.
If I were a family member of a victim, I would want the killer to survive and stand trial (and maybe suffer), although I realise that there may be occasions when shooting dead is the only option. [Post edited 22 Jan 9:34]
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| The death penalty on 09:44 - Jan 22 with 1027 views | wkj |
| The death penalty on 09:02 - Jan 22 by Trequartista |
If the jury were not recommending it maybe it was not "beyond doubt" and therefore would not qualify if I what I suggested was installed.
I'm actually against it on balance, strangely for similar reasons that I am against VAR, what constitutes "clear and obvious" is the same issue as what constitutes "beyond doubt".
I'm not against it on moral grounds though. I believe justice is when the perpetrator gets a punishment that fits a crime, regardless of any notion of vengeance.
But as I said, I don't think its the slam-dunk its made out to be by a lot of people who are against. [Post edited 22 Jan 9:03]
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You don't think its the slam-dunk its made out to be by a lot of people who are against it, but what about those who are for it that act like its a slam dunk? |  |
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| The death penalty on 09:48 - Jan 22 with 1019 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The death penalty on 09:08 - Jan 22 by Trequartista |
What it has to do with it is that it's an example of where the state already accepts innocent death. |
You don't have a choice with car accidents though!
Nobody accepts them - we do everything we can to prevent them. You're talking the opposite with the death penalty. It's a deliberate act where we have a choice. | |
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| The death penalty on 09:53 - Jan 22 with 1010 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The death penalty on 09:33 - Jan 22 by DJR |
It's not quite on all fours, but I always think justice isn't served when a mass killer in the States (as always seems to be the case) is shot dead at the scene.
If I were a family member of a victim, I would want the killer to survive and stand trial (and maybe suffer), although I realise that there may be occasions when shooting dead is the only option. [Post edited 22 Jan 9:34]
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Indeed.
Also, studies have shown that the death penalty is not a deterrent (before any joker says it, yes it's a deterrent to the executed person!) | |
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| The death penalty on 09:55 - Jan 22 with 997 views | StokieBlue |
| The death penalty on 08:51 - Jan 22 by Trequartista |
Would they have all been sentenced to death under a death penalty that required "beyond any doubt" ?
We accept deaths on the road of innocent people every day, so why not accept miscarriage of justice will have some deaths ?
I'm not saying I disagree, but it's not the slam-dunk you think it is. |
That's a ridiculous comparison.
If you actually think it's a good example then any debate is pointless.
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| The death penalty on 09:59 - Jan 22 with 956 views | wkj |
| The death penalty on 09:55 - Jan 22 by StokieBlue |
That's a ridiculous comparison.
If you actually think it's a good example then any debate is pointless.
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Debate being pointless...
I thought that was the tagline of the forum | |
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