| Just Stop Oil protesters 17:52 - Apr 14 with 10483 views | gtsb1966 |
Absolute tossers. People today trying to go about their work, including me, and diesel was like gold dust. People worrying how they are going to earn a crust. Nine petrol stations on our route before we found diesel. Others were not so lucky. If they are going to sit in the road water cannon the lot of them. Rant over, happy easter. |  | | |  |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 19:13 - Apr 14 with 1450 views | footers |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 19:10 - Apr 14 by gtsb1966 |
Who mentioned badly paid? |
I did. Thanks for asking. Good question. |  |
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| Just Stop Oil protesters on 19:19 - Apr 14 with 1412 views | GeoffSentence |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 18:31 - Apr 14 by DanTheMan |
What would be an acceptable way to protest against the fossil fuel industry that is effective, whilst also not inhibiting the processing and distribution of said fuel?
Genuine question. |
Find someone immensely rich who supports your cause and is willing to line tje pockets of a minister or two. |  |
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| Just Stop Oil protesters on 19:31 - Apr 14 with 1387 views | gtsb1966 |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 19:13 - Apr 14 by jeera |
Not really Rob.
That's how my 3 year old cousin died.
I felt that was a valid point to make myself. |
Very very sorry to here that jeera. | | | |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 19:44 - Apr 14 with 1367 views | Meadowlark |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 18:18 - Apr 14 by BlueBadger |
Old folk: young folk are selfish, lazy and apathetic
Also old folk: STOP PROTESTING ABOUT SH1T YOU CARE ABOUT, I HAVE BEEN MILDLY INCONVIENIENCED |
BlueBadger: Make sweeping ageist statements. |  | | |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 20:17 - Apr 14 with 1328 views | DanTheMan |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 19:08 - Apr 14 by gtsb1966 |
Educate people not antagonise. They are seriously doing the cause more damage than good. |
How much more education can possibly be needed to tell people that fossil fuels are bad?
We've been told they're bad for nearly half a century. Repeatedly.
Next suggestion. |  |
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| Just Stop Oil protesters on 20:19 - Apr 14 with 1327 views | DanTheMan |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 19:05 - Apr 14 by lowhouseblue |
buy less fossil fuel??
do all the things that you need to do to reduce emissions - drive less, drive electric, use public transport, don't fly, buy local. the fossil fuel industry exists because we all buy fossil fuels. |
That would help for sure, but them stopping the tankers would seem to help in that regard. | |
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| Just Stop Oil protesters on 20:28 - Apr 14 with 1304 views | gtsb1966 |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 20:17 - Apr 14 by DanTheMan |
How much more education can possibly be needed to tell people that fossil fuels are bad?
We've been told they're bad for nearly half a century. Repeatedly.
Next suggestion. |
Everyone knows they are bad so educate people how they can do their bit to help to reduce them . You can't cut them overnight but you can take someone's livelihood, endanger people's lives and piss off the people you want to change overnight. They are alienating themselves rather than galvanising support. | | | |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 20:37 - Apr 14 with 1285 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 18:17 - Apr 14 by HARRY10 |
But we did get a garden bridge, I think |
Do you know anything about the garden bridge project or are you just being a bit edgy?
It would have been a brilliant thing, unfortunately some people - like yourself - had / have / no real idea about what it was all about.
And before you Google it and try and be an expert it was Joanna Lumly's idea. |  |
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| Just Stop Oil protesters on 20:56 - Apr 14 with 1252 views | DanTheMan |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 20:28 - Apr 14 by gtsb1966 |
Everyone knows they are bad so educate people how they can do their bit to help to reduce them . You can't cut them overnight but you can take someone's livelihood, endanger people's lives and piss off the people you want to change overnight. They are alienating themselves rather than galvanising support. |
How do you educate someone to not use diesel?
Again, there's nothing to educate here. You either use a diesel car or you don't. And unfortunately we've left it so late (because nobody was listening the last 40 odd years) that now it's going to be incredibly painful for all of us to make significant cuts in our carbon footprint.
I'm not even saying what they are doing is right but no matter what they do, someone will get the hump and say they should protest in a different way. There is no way to successfully protest without pissing someone off. That's why they are effective. | |
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| Just Stop Oil protesters on 21:03 - Apr 14 with 1245 views | gtsb1966 |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 20:56 - Apr 14 by DanTheMan |
How do you educate someone to not use diesel?
Again, there's nothing to educate here. You either use a diesel car or you don't. And unfortunately we've left it so late (because nobody was listening the last 40 odd years) that now it's going to be incredibly painful for all of us to make significant cuts in our carbon footprint.
I'm not even saying what they are doing is right but no matter what they do, someone will get the hump and say they should protest in a different way. There is no way to successfully protest without pissing someone off. That's why they are effective. |
Diesel is being fazed out. Diesel vehicles will be no more. That doesn't help the builder trying to get to work with a 5 year old van today. | | | |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 21:04 - Apr 14 with 1243 views | DanTheMan |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 21:03 - Apr 14 by gtsb1966 |
Diesel is being fazed out. Diesel vehicles will be no more. That doesn't help the builder trying to get to work with a 5 year old van today. |
So then how does education help? | |
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| Just Stop Oil protesters on 21:30 - Apr 14 with 1212 views | Lord_Lucan |
I can understand that they feel the need to protest but ultimately they are cretins, in fact, to be honest I would have more respect for them if they believed in what they were doing or knew what they were talking about. Quite frankly they are a bunch of weirdos.
Hard fuels are a problem and I think we realise this now. You cannot change things by gluing yourself to a reception desk with what is probably an oil based glue anyway.
Surely the way out of this is for government to talk about this with Big Oil.
Rather than tax the sh1t of them we say - Ok, you should have paid us 1000 billion in tax but here's the thing - you can keep half of that if you invest in finding cleaner fuels.
And if they take the p1ss you shut them down.
It's only Big Oil who can change things, no one else has the money or clout - and I include governments.
Man is the only thing that can address this by technology. If you think eating a bit less meat or munching on spring onions will change things then you are completely deluded. | |
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| Just Stop Oil protesters on 21:34 - Apr 14 with 1212 views | gtsb1966 |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 21:04 - Apr 14 by DanTheMan |
So then how does education help? |
Because its not just about only diesel van. Do you eat meat. Does that make you part of the problem. Do the protesters eat meat. Does that make them part of the problem. What about veg. How many fossil fuels are used in the start to delivery of veg production. What is the answer. We can't get away from it overnight but we can get away from it gradually without impacting the working man . | | | |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 21:47 - Apr 14 with 1185 views | gtsb1966 |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 19:13 - Apr 14 by footers |
I did. Thanks for asking. Good question. |
You mean you said something stupid and realised it after it was pointed out. Fair enough. | | | |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 21:49 - Apr 14 with 1174 views | J2BLUE |
Water cannons? TWTD is so woke these days... 
In the past we'd have people calling for much worse. |  |
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| Just Stop Oil protesters on 21:54 - Apr 14 with 1157 views | Churchman |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 19:13 - Apr 14 by jeera |
Not really Rob.
That's how my 3 year old cousin died.
I felt that was a valid point to make myself. |
I’m really sorry to hear that Jeera. I totally agree with your well made points on this. |  | | |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 22:04 - Apr 14 with 1106 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 21:04 - Apr 14 by DanTheMan |
So then how does education help? |
I consider myself quite well educated and drive a 15 year old diesel van. Just thought I'd throw that into the mix.
Keep the same economic model and we're screwed, all the rest is feel good bluster. |  |
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| Just Stop Oil protesters on 22:05 - Apr 14 with 1105 views | LeoMuff |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 21:34 - Apr 14 by gtsb1966 |
Because its not just about only diesel van. Do you eat meat. Does that make you part of the problem. Do the protesters eat meat. Does that make them part of the problem. What about veg. How many fossil fuels are used in the start to delivery of veg production. What is the answer. We can't get away from it overnight but we can get away from it gradually without impacting the working man . |
Except we are not. |  |
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| Just Stop Oil protesters on 22:09 - Apr 14 with 1080 views | gtsb1966 |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 22:05 - Apr 14 by LeoMuff |
Except we are not. |
We're moving away from diesel, we're moving away from petrol. [Post edited 14 Apr 2022 22:10]
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| Just Stop Oil protesters on 22:10 - Apr 14 with 1068 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 19:12 - Apr 14 by FoD_Blue |
I have tried, but failed.
Local council blocked planning permission to add a driveway to our house because we live in an area of outstanding natural beauty (despite the eyesore concrete garages about 200 yards from our house!).
If we don't have a driveway, we can't park a car to charge it. And I'm sure there would be problems with trailing an extension lead into the road.
There are many people who would like to go electric, but can't due to logistics and/or cost. So until it is possible, we have to keep on burning fossil fuels. [Post edited 14 Apr 2022 19:19]
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It was pointed out to me a while back by someone who works on the national grid that if we all went electric the power supply could not cope. | |
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| Just Stop Oil protesters on 22:11 - Apr 14 with 1065 views | LeoMuff |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 22:09 - Apr 14 by gtsb1966 |
We're moving away from diesel, we're moving away from petrol. [Post edited 14 Apr 2022 22:10]
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Nowhere near quick enough. | |
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| Just Stop Oil protesters on 22:14 - Apr 14 with 1043 views | gtsb1966 |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 22:11 - Apr 14 by LeoMuff |
Nowhere near quick enough. |
Rome wasn't built in a day. The technology has to meet the demand. We aren't there yet.. unfortunately. | | | |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 22:18 - Apr 14 with 1022 views | LeoMuff |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 22:14 - Apr 14 by gtsb1966 |
Rome wasn't built in a day. The technology has to meet the demand. We aren't there yet.. unfortunately. |
Would disagree - tech is there , not the political will to wean off fossil fuels unfortunately | |
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| Just Stop Oil protesters on 22:18 - Apr 14 with 1021 views | JDB23 |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 21:34 - Apr 14 by gtsb1966 |
Because its not just about only diesel van. Do you eat meat. Does that make you part of the problem. Do the protesters eat meat. Does that make them part of the problem. What about veg. How many fossil fuels are used in the start to delivery of veg production. What is the answer. We can't get away from it overnight but we can get away from it gradually without impacting the working man . |
They're not asking to get away from it over night, they are asking to stop new oil while we have reserves for another 8 years. If there was an army of 2 billion soldiers on our doorstep demanding we end new oil or they will nuke us to oblivion we would do it in a second and we'd find a way to deal with it. Because most people in the global north don't feel the effects of climate change on a day to day basis and keep thinking it's a problem for tomorrow they couldn't give two fks.
Peaceful protest and education has been happening for decades and yet we are still INCREASING our fossil fuel production. Time is up, more drastic action is needed. |  | | |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 22:19 - Apr 14 with 1014 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 22:10 - Apr 14 by BanksterDebtSlave |
It was pointed out to me a while back by someone who works on the national grid that if we all went electric the power supply could not cope. |
It absolutely could not cope in any way - definite info.
Also - how is electricity produced? Most electricity is produced by fossil fuels at the moment.
Another reason to do a deal with Big Oil.
Don't kill them - work with them! | |
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