| Just Stop Oil protesters 17:52 - Apr 14 with 10474 views | gtsb1966 |
Absolute tossers. People today trying to go about their work, including me, and diesel was like gold dust. People worrying how they are going to earn a crust. Nine petrol stations on our route before we found diesel. Others were not so lucky. If they are going to sit in the road water cannon the lot of them. Rant over, happy easter. |  | | |  |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 22:22 - Apr 14 with 1363 views | LeoMuff |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 22:18 - Apr 14 by JDB23 |
They're not asking to get away from it over night, they are asking to stop new oil while we have reserves for another 8 years. If there was an army of 2 billion soldiers on our doorstep demanding we end new oil or they will nuke us to oblivion we would do it in a second and we'd find a way to deal with it. Because most people in the global north don't feel the effects of climate change on a day to day basis and keep thinking it's a problem for tomorrow they couldn't give two fks.
Peaceful protest and education has been happening for decades and yet we are still INCREASING our fossil fuel production. Time is up, more drastic action is needed. |
Spot on. |  |
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| Just Stop Oil protesters on 22:25 - Apr 14 with 1351 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 22:19 - Apr 14 by Lord_Lucan |
It absolutely could not cope in any way - definite info.
Also - how is electricity produced? Most electricity is produced by fossil fuels at the moment.
Another reason to do a deal with Big Oil.
Don't kill them - work with them! |
Unfortunately Big Oil have limited investment in technology such as hydrogen and sodium ion batteries which have less money to be made out of them compared to electric and lithium so it is not in their financial interest to promote meaningful alternatives. We need a new economic model. |  |
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| Just Stop Oil protesters on 22:31 - Apr 14 with 1325 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 22:25 - Apr 14 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Unfortunately Big Oil have limited investment in technology such as hydrogen and sodium ion batteries which have less money to be made out of them compared to electric and lithium so it is not in their financial interest to promote meaningful alternatives. We need a new economic model. |
I gotta tell ya
You could be speaking in alien sh1t as I confess I have no idea what you are talking about now. You have surpassed my platform
I'll leave it to you and Harold |  |
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| Just Stop Oil protesters on 22:32 - Apr 14 with 1319 views | gtsb1966 |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 22:18 - Apr 14 by JDB23 |
They're not asking to get away from it over night, they are asking to stop new oil while we have reserves for another 8 years. If there was an army of 2 billion soldiers on our doorstep demanding we end new oil or they will nuke us to oblivion we would do it in a second and we'd find a way to deal with it. Because most people in the global north don't feel the effects of climate change on a day to day basis and keep thinking it's a problem for tomorrow they couldn't give two fks.
Peaceful protest and education has been happening for decades and yet we are still INCREASING our fossil fuel production. Time is up, more drastic action is needed. |
They're stopping the working man doing their job. Not the cleverest ploy to a cause. [Post edited 14 Apr 2022 22:50]
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| Just Stop Oil protesters on 22:34 - Apr 14 with 1308 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 22:31 - Apr 14 by Lord_Lucan |
I gotta tell ya
You could be speaking in alien sh1t as I confess I have no idea what you are talking about now. You have surpassed my platform
I'll leave it to you and Harold |
Sodium is a lot more available than lithium so waaaay cheaper...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium-ion_battery
Hydrogen cells for cars is essentially power from water so pretty cheap too!!
Night! | |
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| Just Stop Oil protesters on 22:44 - Apr 14 with 1296 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 19:13 - Apr 14 by jeera |
Not really Rob.
That's how my 3 year old cousin died.
I felt that was a valid point to make myself. |
That's terrible and I am so sorry about your cousin.
There is a whole scale of cause and effect here but that is tragic. |  |
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| Just Stop Oil protesters on 22:48 - Apr 14 with 1292 views | gtsb1966 |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 22:11 - Apr 14 by LeoMuff |
Nowhere near quick enough. |
Of course it's not but stopping a bloke from providing for his family isn't going to help too. | | | |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 22:53 - Apr 14 with 1277 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 22:32 - Apr 14 by gtsb1966 |
They're stopping the working man doing their job. Not the cleverest ploy to a cause. [Post edited 14 Apr 2022 22:50]
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The thing is that working man now sees there is a problem and is forced to do whatever they can to get around it.
Of course, it isn't good and Jeera's account shows it can be even worse for some. However, part of the issue is that people collectively have generally taken little notice. Setting up a Green Party that manages the odd seat at a General Election and getting a few wind and solar farms built is hardly touching the surface of the issue. | |
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| Just Stop Oil protesters on 23:00 - Apr 14 with 1267 views | LeoMuff |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 22:48 - Apr 14 by gtsb1966 |
Of course it's not but stopping a bloke from providing for his family isn't going to help too. |
I would like to know what action you suggest then, as our government and others are still planning on licensing and opening new sources of fossil fuels, despite having all the information that this is a disaster for the planet.
Do you have any children or grandchildren may I ask ? | |
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| Just Stop Oil protesters on 23:04 - Apr 14 with 1263 views | Deano69 |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 19:12 - Apr 14 by FoD_Blue |
I have tried, but failed.
Local council blocked planning permission to add a driveway to our house because we live in an area of outstanding natural beauty (despite the eyesore concrete garages about 200 yards from our house!).
If we don't have a driveway, we can't park a car to charge it. And I'm sure there would be problems with trailing an extension lead into the road.
There are many people who would like to go electric, but can't due to logistics and/or cost. So until it is possible, we have to keep on burning fossil fuels. [Post edited 14 Apr 2022 19:19]
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Having taken the plunge to get a charge point at home fitted (in readiness), it would appear very few homes would be able to have more than one charge point installed. Not many one car families these days. |  |
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| Just Stop Oil protesters on 23:04 - Apr 14 with 1258 views | footers |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 23:00 - Apr 14 by LeoMuff |
I would like to know what action you suggest then, as our government and others are still planning on licensing and opening new sources of fossil fuels, despite having all the information that this is a disaster for the planet.
Do you have any children or grandchildren may I ask ? |
Ask nicely? Or protest in the way people have been doing for decades and have been ignored or vilified (much like this thread)? |  |
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| Just Stop Oil protesters on 23:35 - Apr 14 with 1212 views | gtsb1966 |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 23:04 - Apr 14 by footers |
Ask nicely? Or protest in the way people have been doing for decades and have been ignored or vilified (much like this thread)? |
Ask nicely?Or protest in the way people have been doing for decades and have been ignored or vilified (much like this thread.
This thread is nothing like you would hope it would be. You're just wanting it to be something you want it to be. Stop stirring. It's quite a harmonious debate. | | | |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 23:46 - Apr 14 with 1186 views | NthQldITFC |
When I see words like 'inconvenient' and 'disruption' used as arguments against desperately needed attempts to shift the political will of the country and the world, and when I hear people assuming that new technologies will only be any good if they can somehow maintain an unviable lifestyle (multi-car families etc. etc. etc.), I realise just how badly education on the scale and imminent impact of climate change has failed. |  |
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| Just Stop Oil protesters on 23:51 - Apr 14 with 1156 views | factual_blue |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 21:49 - Apr 14 by J2BLUE |
Water cannons? TWTD is so woke these days... 
In the past we'd have people calling for much worse. |
Making them eat your cooking would constitute a cruel and unusual punishment |  |
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| Just Stop Oil protesters on 00:44 - Apr 15 with 1100 views | solomon |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 23:04 - Apr 14 by Deano69 |
Having taken the plunge to get a charge point at home fitted (in readiness), it would appear very few homes would be able to have more than one charge point installed. Not many one car families these days. |
Depending on how many miles you do a day it’s highly unlikely you will need to charge more than twice a week. One charger and two vehicles won’t be an issue for the majority of driveway owners. |  | | |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 07:44 - Apr 15 with 1042 views | DanTheMan |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 21:34 - Apr 14 by gtsb1966 |
Because its not just about only diesel van. Do you eat meat. Does that make you part of the problem. Do the protesters eat meat. Does that make them part of the problem. What about veg. How many fossil fuels are used in the start to delivery of veg production. What is the answer. We can't get away from it overnight but we can get away from it gradually without impacting the working man . |
You've pivoted to a completely different problem now. I eat some meat but not a lot, mostly cut it out now which is what is recommended.
We can't get away from it overnight but the point is we wouldn't have had to if these very large companies hadn't spent the last 40 to 50 years funding anti-science movements to down play or outright dent climate change. We've now got to a point where we have effectively run out of time.
But we all know this. It's been on the news constantly. We've been warned constantly. And the Government here and elsewhere are not doing enough, meanwhile the fossil fuel providers are raking in record profits.
So instead of being mad at a few people sitting in front of a lorry making life a little more difficult you should be mad that we're effectively going to make the planet uninhabitable for potentially millions of people. |  |
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| Just Stop Oil protesters on 09:06 - Apr 15 with 992 views | solomon |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 18:18 - Apr 14 by jeera |
The only thing I would say there though, is maybe change the 'their' to 'our'.
As in, it should be our cause and not just that of the few.
We should throw ourselves behind it, sign petitions, chuck in a fiver when we can towards costs, write to MPs...
But this comes down to inequality in society in the same way as everything else does.
If not everyone can afford to change their vehicle then they will be victimised yet again for being poorer, as we already see through taxes etc. |
This is such a hard issue to nail down, we are in a position of which there is no turning back, fossil fuels have to end. The EV issue is central to this, I’m fortunate enough to be able to run one now and hopefully there will soon be a trickle down of used EVs coming on stream in the not too distant future (not sure if used prices will be Low enough to get the uptake required) EV uptake is not happening fast enough with those who can and should be buying EV’s this is also true of companies who are still not getting enough company car drivers over to electric also, sure range is an issue for some ,but not all. although I don’t qualify for a company car my firm seemed utterly uninterested that I bought one and now travel to work emission free, it’s an ingrained belief that fossil fuels can’t be bettered and like so many others they are clinging on to the vain hope that all this environmental fuss is going to be reversed, when you consider the utterly pathetic attempt by the government to improve and ready the required infrastructure you have to say they can’t be blamed for believing that. Stop oil and insulate Britain seem to understand what they need to do to make change happen, unfortunately most of us seem not able to (by circumstances) help make that change happen. | | | |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 09:15 - Apr 15 with 980 views | Ely_Blue |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 18:35 - Apr 14 by Darth_Koont |
Just like Insulate Britain and others, people have tried peaceful protest and they’ve tried going through the “democratic” channels of getting governments to listen and act (rather than just bluff their way out of it on empty platitudes and promises they never keep).
And in return they got nada, nothing, zip, zilch, zero.
Disruption and civil disobedience is the obvious next step to drag the authorities into the discussion.
It’s more than unfortunate ordinary people are affected by it but blame those who simply refuse to listen and act when they could have (and should still). |
Rome wasn’t built in a day and these things take time, take a look back 5 years and see how few (relatively) electric cars were on the roads, and I mean fully electric cars not 30 mile hybrids, take a look now and see how many there are. If we made everyone have an electric car right now then there isn’t the infrastructure to cope nor is there fast enough charging solutions, I am sure this is being worked on at pace by people in the world but these protests do nothing to help speed that along.
Maybe these protesters should go to the government and ask “what can we do to help you on the journey” given that they have so much spare time on their hands |  |
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| Just Stop Oil protesters on 09:25 - Apr 15 with 962 views | gazzer1999 |
Trouble is you need electricity to make hydrogen. |  | | |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 09:41 - Apr 15 with 936 views | EdwardStone |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 09:25 - Apr 15 by gazzer1999 |
Trouble is you need electricity to make hydrogen. |
There are projects ongoing to produce hydrogen from off shore wind turbines and pipe ashore as hydrogen....
Cuts down transmission loss from sending ashore as electricity and then converting
Green Hydrogen is real |  | | |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 09:48 - Apr 15 with 927 views | Ewan_Oozami |
I have started listening to this 4-part series on the World Service covering Shell's exploits in Nigeria...... |  |
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| Just Stop Oil protesters on 09:57 - Apr 15 with 898 views | EdwardStone |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 22:18 - Apr 14 by LeoMuff |
Would disagree - tech is there , not the political will to wean off fossil fuels unfortunately |
Mr Muff....
Nail, head
I did some campaigning on the Home Energy Conservation Act
This was legislation that required Local Authorities to assess all housing stock in their area for energy use and then to insulate every home that needed it to reduce fuel use
The Bill was watered down and then ignored by successive Govts
This was in 1995
A quarter of a centuary later, we are still mulling over the idea of insulating homes to reduce dependence on fossil fuels
This is not a case of fiddling while Rome burns......it is conducting an entire bloody symphony orchestra | | | |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 10:00 - Apr 15 with 891 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 09:06 - Apr 15 by solomon |
This is such a hard issue to nail down, we are in a position of which there is no turning back, fossil fuels have to end. The EV issue is central to this, I’m fortunate enough to be able to run one now and hopefully there will soon be a trickle down of used EVs coming on stream in the not too distant future (not sure if used prices will be Low enough to get the uptake required) EV uptake is not happening fast enough with those who can and should be buying EV’s this is also true of companies who are still not getting enough company car drivers over to electric also, sure range is an issue for some ,but not all. although I don’t qualify for a company car my firm seemed utterly uninterested that I bought one and now travel to work emission free, it’s an ingrained belief that fossil fuels can’t be bettered and like so many others they are clinging on to the vain hope that all this environmental fuss is going to be reversed, when you consider the utterly pathetic attempt by the government to improve and ready the required infrastructure you have to say they can’t be blamed for believing that. Stop oil and insulate Britain seem to understand what they need to do to make change happen, unfortunately most of us seem not able to (by circumstances) help make that change happen. |
"....hopefully there will soon be a trickle down of used EVs coming on stream in the not too distant future...."
Apparently you can pick up an 8 year old BMW electric vehicle for about 8k. Oh but the battery will need replacing at circa 10k !! | |
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| Just Stop Oil protesters on 10:07 - Apr 15 with 863 views | pointofblue |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 09:15 - Apr 15 by Ely_Blue |
Rome wasn’t built in a day and these things take time, take a look back 5 years and see how few (relatively) electric cars were on the roads, and I mean fully electric cars not 30 mile hybrids, take a look now and see how many there are. If we made everyone have an electric car right now then there isn’t the infrastructure to cope nor is there fast enough charging solutions, I am sure this is being worked on at pace by people in the world but these protests do nothing to help speed that along.
Maybe these protesters should go to the government and ask “what can we do to help you on the journey” given that they have so much spare time on their hands |
Though that is assuming the government care, want to listen or want help. Despite all the science saying otherwise they’ll just commissioned the use of more fossil fuels.
Part of the issue, however, is the government cannot be seen to back down to these tactics. If the approach of Just Stop Oil works then would other causes try the same approach to get attention as they knew it twisted the government’s arm previously? On the other side commencing further use of fossil fuels is little short of ludicrous. |  |
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| Just Stop Oil protesters on 10:14 - Apr 15 with 847 views | LeoMuff |
| Just Stop Oil protesters on 09:15 - Apr 15 by Ely_Blue |
Rome wasn’t built in a day and these things take time, take a look back 5 years and see how few (relatively) electric cars were on the roads, and I mean fully electric cars not 30 mile hybrids, take a look now and see how many there are. If we made everyone have an electric car right now then there isn’t the infrastructure to cope nor is there fast enough charging solutions, I am sure this is being worked on at pace by people in the world but these protests do nothing to help speed that along.
Maybe these protesters should go to the government and ask “what can we do to help you on the journey” given that they have so much spare time on their hands |
Rome wasn’t build in a day - lol
We have been aware for what 40-50 years that the planet will not survive if we continue in this way, almost uniform agreement that we are close to reaching a point of no return, yet governments including ours are still looking at new fossil fuels and licensing this.
Unfortunately the financial pain and losses of the cuts we need to make are too much for western governments to stomach, they have little desire to change enough as the lifespan of parliament/government they won’t see the benefit.
All the protesters here want is a commitment to no more new fossil fuel licensing and production as I understand it, which should be a given really if we are serious about properly tackling this issue. | |
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