| Lateral thinking for a better form of government. 13:08 - Jun 10 with 1662 views | MattinLondon |
Should the government be craved open and ran as individual franchises?
For example, Labour gets the NHS, the Lib Dems get Foreign policy including rejoining the EU, the Tories get business.
Will this work? |  | | |  |
| Lateral thinking for a better form of government. on 13:09 - Jun 10 with 1653 views | Plums |
No because the Tories claim to understand business but prove themselves time and time again not to. [Post edited 10 Jun 2022 14:47]
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| Lateral thinking for a better form of government. on 13:21 - Jun 10 with 1617 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Monster Raving Looney party get Ministry of Entertainment, UKIP Border Control? SNP Department for BREJOIN. |  | | |
| Lateral thinking for a better form of government. on 13:23 - Jun 10 with 1616 views | Darth_Koont |
Evidence-based policy making is what’s missing from our government, party politics and our political media.
It should be the goal of government in 2022 but it’s not even in the conversation.
On those grounds, our political parties shouldn’t even be on the shortlist to run politics, let alone real stuff. |  |
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| Lateral thinking for a better form of government. on 13:58 - Jun 10 with 1550 views | Darth_Koont |
| Lateral thinking for a better form of government. on 13:09 - Jun 10 by Plums |
No because the Tories claim to understand business but prove themselves time and time again not to. [Post edited 10 Jun 2022 14:47]
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Indeed. The Tories, in particular, have zero grasp on business. | |
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| Lateral thinking for a better form of government. on 13:59 - Jun 10 with 1547 views | homer_123 |
| Lateral thinking for a better form of government. on 13:58 - Jun 10 by Darth_Koont |
Indeed. The Tories, in particular, have zero grasp on business. |
Oh I don't know - I think they are pretty savvy at the less moral, in it for me, aspects of business. |  |
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| Lateral thinking for a better form of government. on 14:20 - Jun 10 with 1525 views | Guthrum |
It's pretty much how coalitions work in most places, with constituent parties getting ministries to run. |  |
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| Lateral thinking for a better form of government. on 14:20 - Jun 10 with 1521 views | Darth_Koont |
| Lateral thinking for a better form of government. on 13:59 - Jun 10 by homer_123 |
Oh I don't know - I think they are pretty savvy at the less moral, in it for me, aspects of business. |
A child has that view by playing Monopoly. Or lying to their parents, teachers and classmates.
That’s why they think things like deregulation and financialisation are the way forward. Business for them is money and influence talking until you get your way. While the more socially and economically important aspects of business and capitalism like standards, market forces, competition, finding new value, sustainability, social responsibility etc. just get in the way of wealth accumulation.
If they knew anything about business they’d have steered well away from Brexit and would have a long-term plan to fix the UK’s worryingly low productivity and hugely damaging regional imbalances. | |
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| Lateral thinking for a better form of government. on 16:27 - Jun 10 with 1450 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Lateral thinking for a better form of government. on 13:09 - Jun 10 by Plums |
No because the Tories claim to understand business but prove themselves time and time again not to. [Post edited 10 Jun 2022 14:47]
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One of the greatest scams in political history is the Tories convincing people they’re by far the best party on the economy. As Darth alluded, the evidence suggests anything but. This version of them are worse than normal. I suspect Brexit alone is the biggest act of sabotaging businesses ever committed by a uk government (certainly in modern times). |  |
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| Lateral thinking for a better form of government. on 18:22 - Jun 10 with 1391 views | Bent_double |
I've often thought that the NHS should be managed by a cross-party group, not just whoever is in government at the time. At the very least it should prevent any covert selling off of parts of the service to the Americans, for example. |  |
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| Lateral thinking for a better form of government. on 19:05 - Jun 10 with 1342 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Lateral thinking for a better form of government. on 14:20 - Jun 10 by Guthrum |
It's pretty much how coalitions work in most places, with constituent parties getting ministries to run. |
It’s where the LibDems slipped up in 2010. Instead of demanding ministers in all departments, they should have demanded a couple of whole ministries. Ie Environment. They could have then lived or died by that department’s record rather than being tainted by all aspects of the 2010-2015 government. |  |
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| Lateral thinking for a better form of government. on 19:08 - Jun 10 with 1348 views | jeera |
| Lateral thinking for a better form of government. on 16:27 - Jun 10 by Swansea_Blue |
One of the greatest scams in political history is the Tories convincing people they’re by far the best party on the economy. As Darth alluded, the evidence suggests anything but. This version of them are worse than normal. I suspect Brexit alone is the biggest act of sabotaging businesses ever committed by a uk government (certainly in modern times). |
If the words "Fck business" and "We are fed-up of listening to experts" didn't convince everyone then nothing will. [Post edited 10 Jun 2022 19:08]
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| Lateral thinking for a better form of government. on 19:11 - Jun 10 with 1345 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
If it was sold to the Government as privatisation of Government they will be all for it.
Unfortunately, the best people for running each sector won't be anywhere near the criteria that determines the award of contracts.
Instead, the contracts will be awarded to Tory party donors and family of Tory MPs and they will be paid colossal sums to run them regardless of performance.
In fact, isn't it rather like how the Government is currently run? [Post edited 10 Jun 2022 19:11]
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| Lateral thinking for a better form of government. on 19:14 - Jun 10 with 1327 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Lateral thinking for a better form of government. on 19:05 - Jun 10 by GlasgowBlue |
It’s where the LibDems slipped up in 2010. Instead of demanding ministers in all departments, they should have demanded a couple of whole ministries. Ie Environment. They could have then lived or died by that department’s record rather than being tainted by all aspects of the 2010-2015 government. |
That would have been easy for the Tory party to accept. They would have then massively defunded those departments whilst spinning it in some way to claim they have actually increased funding and blame the LibDems for the poor performance.
The main mistake the LibDems made was agreeing to share power without having agreed the details on a referendum for proportional representation or single transferrable vote. | |
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| Lateral thinking for a better form of government. on 22:13 - Jun 10 with 1249 views | MattinLondon |
| Lateral thinking for a better form of government. on 19:14 - Jun 10 by Nthsuffolkblue |
That would have been easy for the Tory party to accept. They would have then massively defunded those departments whilst spinning it in some way to claim they have actually increased funding and blame the LibDems for the poor performance.
The main mistake the LibDems made was agreeing to share power without having agreed the details on a referendum for proportional representation or single transferrable vote. |
To this day I don’t understand why people are more condemning of the LDs for being part of the then government rather than the Tories. | | | |
| Lateral thinking for a better form of government. on 23:20 - Jun 10 with 1206 views | eireblue |
| Lateral thinking for a better form of government. on 22:13 - Jun 10 by MattinLondon |
To this day I don’t understand why people are more condemning of the LDs for being part of the then government rather than the Tories. |
Oh that’s an easy one, deep down, even many Tory voters know that Tory politicians can be un-principled or maybe “pragmatic”, and that’s okay, as long as the pragmatism doesn’t effect themselves.
Lots of people thought the LDs were strongly principled, despite LD’s talking about compromise for manny years. Turned out compromise meant LDs going “uh oh, stuff just got real” and deciding maybe Tories were good at running things. |  | | |
| Lateral thinking for a better form of government. on 00:12 - Jun 11 with 1181 views | XYZ |
| Lateral thinking for a better form of government. on 22:13 - Jun 10 by MattinLondon |
To this day I don’t understand why people are more condemning of the LDs for being part of the then government rather than the Tories. |
Because the tories knew what they were doing.
The Lib Dems were rabbits hopping into the lion's enclosure. | | | |
| Lateral thinking for a better form of government. on 06:10 - Jun 11 with 1107 views | Kropotkin123 |
Locke's work on the social contract can be summarised as "government was created through the consent of the people to be ruled by the majority."
In truth, it wasn't through the consent of the people. It was fought and attained through revolutions, coups, wars, appeasement, and so on. I therefore do not accept the basic premise upon which MP's gain their power from the electorate.
So to answer your question, I think being able to choose who your vote goes to on departmental issues would be a move towards reclaiming that which was stolen from me.
To go a step further though, I think I should have the right to vote electronically on every issue. If I choose not to vote on an issue, it would default back to the party I chose on that issue. [Post edited 11 Jun 2022 6:13]
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| Lateral thinking for a better form of government. on 12:40 - Jun 11 with 1019 views | BlueBadger |
| Lateral thinking for a better form of government. on 22:13 - Jun 10 by MattinLondon |
To this day I don’t understand why people are more condemning of the LDs for being part of the then government rather than the Tories. |
I think its because people thought they might be a moderating influence on an iteration of the Tory party that ws hellbent on running down any and all public service, Instead, they allowed themselves to be human shields. |  |
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| Lateral thinking for a better form of government. on 16:11 - Jun 11 with 965 views | MattinLondon |
| Lateral thinking for a better form of government. on 12:40 - Jun 11 by BlueBadger |
I think its because people thought they might be a moderating influence on an iteration of the Tory party that ws hellbent on running down any and all public service, Instead, they allowed themselves to be human shields. |
Maybe they were a moderating influence when compared to what the Tories wanting to do? | | | |
| Lateral thinking for a better form of government. on 00:28 - Jun 12 with 908 views | jeera |
| Lateral thinking for a better form of government. on 06:10 - Jun 11 by Kropotkin123 |
Locke's work on the social contract can be summarised as "government was created through the consent of the people to be ruled by the majority."
In truth, it wasn't through the consent of the people. It was fought and attained through revolutions, coups, wars, appeasement, and so on. I therefore do not accept the basic premise upon which MP's gain their power from the electorate.
So to answer your question, I think being able to choose who your vote goes to on departmental issues would be a move towards reclaiming that which was stolen from me.
To go a step further though, I think I should have the right to vote electronically on every issue. If I choose not to vote on an issue, it would default back to the party I chose on that issue. [Post edited 11 Jun 2022 6:13]
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"I think I should have the right to vote electronically on every issue. If I choose not to vote on an issue, it would default back to the party I chose on that issue."
I wish we, the electorate, understood the flipping the issues better to know what we are voting for.
There needs to be stringent rules in place to stop parties lying and deliberating misleading the public they supposedly serve with distractions, deflections and projective behaviour.
It's not even restricted to elections now, but a constant narrative where's it feels nigh on impossible to squeeze information from anyone in any party without them immediately making negative comments about their opposite members.
See QT as an obvious example, but also parliament itself, interviews...
As soon as a matter is brought up the response is always the same approach; to attack the opposition instead of addressing anything.
It's tiresome and a major factor why so many people turn their backs on their country's politics with generalisations like "They're all the same etc".
I know we all know this. Just sounding off in response to the OP's question and latching onto your post. | |
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