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If you strike & withdraw people's services then you won't be very popular! It's just bizarre thinking, when Labour have for once got on the front foot. Starting to make a good case. Kier Starmer was 100% correct to sack this clown. Labour have to earn the trust & that's a hard earn.
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Starmer has to go...end of! on 21:18 - Jul 27 with 1518 views
Didn’t he also say he was the shadow transport Secretary which must have been news to Louise Haigh to find she’d been sacked and replaced by the deputy leaders partner.
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Starmer has to go...end of! on 21:26 - Jul 27 with 1485 views
Starmer has to go...end of! on 21:08 - Jul 27 by BlueForYou
If you strike & withdraw people's services then you won't be very popular! It's just bizarre thinking, when Labour have for once got on the front foot. Starting to make a good case. Kier Starmer was 100% correct to sack this clown. Labour have to earn the trust & that's a hard earn.
It’s not clear this is even about him being on the picket line. Even if it was, it shouldn’t be a shock that Labour MPs want to support the workforce. The clue is in the name of the party. Without organised labour most of us are also in a far worse position, especially in these times of high inflation.
So you say you're not going to 'nationalise' stuff. You say you're going to look for long-term solutions to the cost of living crisis and ways to reverse the catastrophic damage to national infrastructure caused by fourteen years of tory misrule.
In terms of the utilities, you have a thorough examination of the whole sector, and then you 'nationalise' it, without ever using that word.
I am now in the on the fence camp as to whether he will win the next GE.
Whatever you think of Unions and strikes it is closely related to working people and KS really needs to realign with the Red Wall Get Brexit done brigade and this was one way of doing it.
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Starmer has to go...end of! on 23:18 - Jul 27 with 1360 views
Have to agree that the Tories need binning - so utterly sick of the way they've handled everything, including possible fraudulent SEISS grants during Covid and how they allowed the furlough scheme to be so open to fraud.
BTW, in Germany (I have relatives who live there), it's now widely expected that electricity and gas will be rationed to four hours per day for each household come October. Plus there is fear that most utilities companies will need a hand-out just to continue to supply what they predict will be a lesser service. The grass is definitely not greener.
Starmer has to go...end of! on 23:18 - Jul 27 by Warkystache
Have to agree that the Tories need binning - so utterly sick of the way they've handled everything, including possible fraudulent SEISS grants during Covid and how they allowed the furlough scheme to be so open to fraud.
BTW, in Germany (I have relatives who live there), it's now widely expected that electricity and gas will be rationed to four hours per day for each household come October. Plus there is fear that most utilities companies will need a hand-out just to continue to supply what they predict will be a lesser service. The grass is definitely not greener.
Germany is an extreme example seeing as they are so damned reliant on Russian supply.
Short term thinking sure based on hopes/expectations for a long term peaceful future.
Lovely and all that but didn't take into account that leaderships and policies change over the years. That's why they (and we) need to be more self-sufficient or at the very least choose partners more wisely.
It's still important though to remember that the culprit here is Russia for failing the planet and not Germany for being so reliant and trusting.
Starmer has to go...end of! on 23:40 - Jul 27 by jeera
Germany is an extreme example seeing as they are so damned reliant on Russian supply.
Short term thinking sure based on hopes/expectations for a long term peaceful future.
Lovely and all that but didn't take into account that leaderships and policies change over the years. That's why they (and we) need to be more self-sufficient or at the very least choose partners more wisely.
It's still important though to remember that the culprit here is Russia for failing the planet and not Germany for being so reliant and trusting.
What a heap of sh1t.
If we were reliant on Russian energy like Germany is you wouldn't be blaming Russia, you would be blaming UK for doing the shortsighted deal.
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“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
Starmer has to go...end of! on 20:19 - Jul 27 by BlueForYou
Sorry but it's it's outrageous that a shadow transport minister backs the sheer inconvenience that the long suffering public have to endure. Effectively stopping people getting to work. Totally 100% correct decision to sack this guy. Labour have to rid themselves of these idiots. Disgraceful.
What's the point in a Labour party that doesn't support workers?
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Starmer has to go...end of! on 08:25 - Jul 28 with 1175 views
*stopped clock and all that but if that was the UK govt laughing at the warnings it would be played on here daily.
Yeah, it's really not a good look for Germany, and obviously it's fairly badly backfired.
Back onto the main discussion, I'm genuinely torn on this.
On the one hand my gut instinct is that it's not great that they don't offer anything other than vague "we support workers" statements. I want Labour to support unions and it's not a great look to fire someone who does so.
On the other hand I do understand that he just made up a policy off the cuff and wasn't supposed to, as well as Starmer trying not to directly support unions as it would just play into the medias hand.
I'm getting uneasy at just how wishy-washy he's becoming. Won't nail his colours to the mast on anything even slightly controversial in fears of a backfire.
After Starmer goes, that need to get someone with a bit of fire in who can actually take on the media but without the obviously crappy baggage that Corbyn had.
Starmer has to go...end of! on 00:33 - Jul 28 by Lord_Lucan
What a heap of sh1t.
If we were reliant on Russian energy like Germany is you wouldn't be blaming Russia, you would be blaming UK for doing the shortsighted deal.
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It does seem incredibly shortsighted or naïve for Germany to be so reliant upon Russia for energy. Their Chancellor conceded this not that long ago. Maybe, at the time Germany thought that buying Russian energy would make Putin behave more moderately towards the west.
But if the UK found itself in the same position then I do admit that I would be blaming successive UK governments for allowing it to happen.
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Starmer has to go...end of! on 08:41 - Jul 28 with 1121 views
Starmer has to go...end of! on 08:30 - Jul 28 by DanTheMan
Yeah, it's really not a good look for Germany, and obviously it's fairly badly backfired.
Back onto the main discussion, I'm genuinely torn on this.
On the one hand my gut instinct is that it's not great that they don't offer anything other than vague "we support workers" statements. I want Labour to support unions and it's not a great look to fire someone who does so.
On the other hand I do understand that he just made up a policy off the cuff and wasn't supposed to, as well as Starmer trying not to directly support unions as it would just play into the medias hand.
I'm getting uneasy at just how wishy-washy he's becoming. Won't nail his colours to the mast on anything even slightly controversial in fears of a backfire.
After Starmer goes, that need to get someone with a bit of fire in who can actually take on the media but without the obviously crappy baggage that Corbyn had.
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At the moment it is Labour’s election to lose. So I completely understand Starmer reluctance to have Labour portrayed as being “beholden to the union Barons”, which is how the likes of the Sun would portray them.
Labour are like a football team who are grinding out boring 1-0 wins each week, 12 points ahead, top of the league going into the January window. The fans are calling out for sone flair and creativity to be bought into the squad. But the manager knows that could unsettle everything and his current strategy is working.
Starmer has to go...end of! on 08:41 - Jul 28 by GlasgowBlue
At the moment it is Labour’s election to lose. So I completely understand Starmer reluctance to have Labour portrayed as being “beholden to the union Barons”, which is how the likes of the Sun would portray them.
Labour are like a football team who are grinding out boring 1-0 wins each week, 12 points ahead, top of the league going into the January window. The fans are calling out for sone flair and creativity to be bought into the squad. But the manager knows that could unsettle everything and his current strategy is working.
I do understand, but I don't want it to be a trend if they make it into office, being scared to take on the media.
Starmer has to go...end of! on 08:30 - Jul 28 by DanTheMan
Yeah, it's really not a good look for Germany, and obviously it's fairly badly backfired.
Back onto the main discussion, I'm genuinely torn on this.
On the one hand my gut instinct is that it's not great that they don't offer anything other than vague "we support workers" statements. I want Labour to support unions and it's not a great look to fire someone who does so.
On the other hand I do understand that he just made up a policy off the cuff and wasn't supposed to, as well as Starmer trying not to directly support unions as it would just play into the medias hand.
I'm getting uneasy at just how wishy-washy he's becoming. Won't nail his colours to the mast on anything even slightly controversial in fears of a backfire.
After Starmer goes, that need to get someone with a bit of fire in who can actually take on the media but without the obviously crappy baggage that Corbyn had.
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I think Burnham is perfect for that and have said it for a long time now. The one thing I'd like to see more of is those around Starmer, I think Labour rather than KS offer a very good government given the people who could be cabinet members under him.
I can't tell if this blowback onto Starmer in a time of oncoming chaos thanks to tory misrule, or he's genuinely choking just as we need him to savage these lot at every opportunity.
Starmer has to go...end of! on 08:49 - Jul 28 by Mullet
I think Burnham is perfect for that and have said it for a long time now. The one thing I'd like to see more of is those around Starmer, I think Labour rather than KS offer a very good government given the people who could be cabinet members under him.
I can't tell if this blowback onto Starmer in a time of oncoming chaos thanks to tory misrule, or he's genuinely choking just as we need him to savage these lot at every opportunity.
Burnham is always who I consider when thinking of alternatives.
Starmer has to go...end of! on 21:01 - Jul 27 by ElderGrizzly
This puts it very well
Plus throw in the illegality of joining a picket line when you aren’t striking
Starmer hasn’t sacked other front benchers who have joined picket lines. This is all about doing an unauthorised media interview and not toeing party line when doing is. He left Starmer with little choice and I imagine Rayner is more annoyed with Tarry than the party leader this morning.
Starmer has to go...end of! on 08:30 - Jul 28 by DanTheMan
Yeah, it's really not a good look for Germany, and obviously it's fairly badly backfired.
Back onto the main discussion, I'm genuinely torn on this.
On the one hand my gut instinct is that it's not great that they don't offer anything other than vague "we support workers" statements. I want Labour to support unions and it's not a great look to fire someone who does so.
On the other hand I do understand that he just made up a policy off the cuff and wasn't supposed to, as well as Starmer trying not to directly support unions as it would just play into the medias hand.
I'm getting uneasy at just how wishy-washy he's becoming. Won't nail his colours to the mast on anything even slightly controversial in fears of a backfire.
After Starmer goes, that need to get someone with a bit of fire in who can actually take on the media but without the obviously crappy baggage that Corbyn had.
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One of the most interesting documentaries I watched on YouTube was Labour: The Wilderness Years. I think it was broadcast in 1996, so whilst Labour were in opposition under Blair but clear they were going to win the next election.
It studied the period under Thatcher, and how Labour reacted to the issues of the day. At one point, it was stated that Labour stood on the sidelines whilst Thatcher and the unions fought a battle to the death. Feels like this position may be rearing it’s head once again.
Starmer has to go...end of! on 08:49 - Jul 28 by Mullet
I think Burnham is perfect for that and have said it for a long time now. The one thing I'd like to see more of is those around Starmer, I think Labour rather than KS offer a very good government given the people who could be cabinet members under him.
I can't tell if this blowback onto Starmer in a time of oncoming chaos thanks to tory misrule, or he's genuinely choking just as we need him to savage these lot at every opportunity.
I’ve really gone off Burnham in the last 12 months. The endless media interviews angling for Starmer’s job are getting incredibly tedious and he ran an awful campaign last time. Whenever the next leadership election comes along, Streeting and Nandy are the best choices.
Starmer has to go...end of! on 10:34 - Jul 28 by tractordownsouth
I’ve really gone off Burnham in the last 12 months. The endless media interviews angling for Starmer’s job are getting incredibly tedious and he ran an awful campaign last time. Whenever the next leadership election comes along, Streeting and Nandy are the best choices.
Streeting won’t be popular on the left. I suspect Burnham could please more people but as you say, seems unlikely.
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Starmer has to go...end of! on 11:06 - Jul 28 with 863 views
I like her, and Jess Philips. In terms of straight talking at least.
Phillips has dropped off the radar in the last couple of years, her failed leadership campaign damaged her reputation a bit. I think the comparison between her and Streeting is quite stark - they both came in to parliament in 2015 and built strong profiles as backbench pro-EU Corbynsceptics, potentially future leaders. Only one of them is seen as a realistic contender now though and if there's a Labour govt in 2024, Phillips would struggle to get into the cabinet.
Streeting won’t be popular on the left. I suspect Burnham could please more people but as you say, seems unlikely.
The Tory leadership race has boosted Burnham's chances of being leader. Under Johnson, I could have seen them going for an election in Winter 23 but that's less likely now. Burnham's term as Manchester mayor runs out in 2024, at the same time as the next election, so he could now feasibly run for a seat in Manchester and stand in the subsequent leadership election if Labour don't win.
Starmer has to go...end of! on 08:41 - Jul 28 by GlasgowBlue
At the moment it is Labour’s election to lose. So I completely understand Starmer reluctance to have Labour portrayed as being “beholden to the union Barons”, which is how the likes of the Sun would portray them.
Labour are like a football team who are grinding out boring 1-0 wins each week, 12 points ahead, top of the league going into the January window. The fans are calling out for sone flair and creativity to be bought into the squad. But the manager knows that could unsettle everything and his current strategy is working.
He's being savvy really. He knows the likes of me, who hate this kind of politics, will still likely vote Labour at the next election unless he does something truly mental.
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