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VAR 11:42 - Sep 4 with 5415 views

As Tony Pulis says:

"It's not VAR - let me get this correct. VAR just records the TV footage, it's the people who are running VAR.
It's those human beings who are making the decisions. It's the referees stuck in that office, wherever they are, making the decisions."

If they were poor referees on the pitch, like Lee Mason, for instance, they are just as poor on the VAR desk. Some of the decisions in the Newcastle, Leeds and Chelsea games were ludicrous.

At least Michael Oliver, who is a very good referee, had the bottle to ignore VAR and stick by his original decision in the Forest game.

VAR on 14:57 - Sep 4 with 1252 views

mylittletown

VAR on 14:45 - Sep 4 by J2BLUE
Change the rules so there is nothing to talk about. Give the striker the advantage unless it's a clear offside. If we must keep VAR then they should get 30 seconds to decide. If there is no conclusive evidence it was an error, the goal stands

I largely agree with your second point.

I think that the offside rule is more complex than that though, for instance what is clear?
A lot of the VAR time is spent on things like, is the player interfering with the goalkeeper etc. I would agree with your view if anyone who was between the last defender and the goalkeeper, when the ball was played, was offside, end of discussion.

VAR on 15:04 - Sep 4 with 1235 views

Wacko

VAR on 12:23 - Sep 4 by mylittletown
Maybe up for a whoosh here, but these are often big money decisions, which need to be made by people with some authority. Who do you think say David Moyes would trust more to get it right? Tony Pulis, for instance, or a referee like Lee Mason?

A whoosh indeed.. I'm with you

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VAR on 15:37 - Sep 4 with 1216 views

Lesta_Tractor

I wonder if the Harness 'goal' against Barnsley would have stood if VAR had been used in that match.

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VAR on 15:42 - Sep 4 with 1223 views

Dyland

VAR on 13:11 - Sep 4 by Garv

It's all bad, the individuals and the system as well. All of it.

The very idea that you get a referee who has just made a decision being told to go over to the sideline and rewatch the incident on a very averagely sized TV, probably with a fair bit of glare if a sunny day, with thousands of neanderthals around him hurling abuse and applying added pressure, by other equally qualified referees sitting in an office with several massive screens with every possible angle and ability to rewind and pause etc, is frankly hilarious.

Bin VAR. It was a good experiment for a bit of banter, but we've all had a laugh now. It was always a bad idea, it's been bad and it'll continue ruining the game as most people know it.

Focus efforts on improving refereeing standards, while accepting that honest mistakes happen, and happen naturally, and stop using stop gap solutions that only takes the power away from the individual(s) who are in charge of the match.

Totally agree.

One of the problems attracting a glut of good refs is possibly the abuse you get, especially unpleasant at grass roots and semi-pro level, not to mention dangerous. Basically who'd want to be a ref? We get the refs we deserve, put bluntly.

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VAR on 17:01 - Sep 4 with 1163 views

Plums

VAR on 15:42 - Sep 4 by Dyland
Totally agree. One of the problems attracting a glut of good refs is possibly the abuse you get, especially unpleasant at grass roots and semi-pro level, not to mention dangerous. Basically who'd want to be a ref? We get the refs we deserve, put bluntly.

Exactly. Was watching my daughter referee this morning and got talking to a 6 foot 4 bloke who is considering taking the course to referee U12 boys football. Getting stick on a Saturday morning isn’t what he’s signing up for. He wants to help because he knows how desperately short we are. Until there’s some respect for them at all levels, it isn’t going to improve.
‘I don’t want to be shouted at by strangers’ isn’t a conversation we should even be having.

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VAR on 20:16 - Sep 4 with 1119 views

NthQldITFC

VAR on 13:55 - Sep 4 by eireblue

I'm going to display my ignorance here; that's neither Dennis Taylor nor Edwardwood Woodwardwood is it?

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VAR on 21:37 - Sep 4 with 1095 views

Plums

VAR on 20:16 - Sep 4 by NthQldITFC
I'm going to display my ignorance here; that's neither Dennis Taylor nor Edwardwood Woodwardwood is it?

Biggins?

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VAR on 21:54 - Sep 4 with 1085 views

Geomorph

VAR on 12:26 - Sep 4 by Radlett_blue
I dislike the way VAR is seemingly used to review every goal & then the likelihood is that the VAR man will spot some small foul by an attacker & a goal is disallowed. If they took VAR to extremes, I'm sure they could find a reason to give a penalty kick after almost every corner kick.

Should be a couple of reviews per half … bit like cricket does it

VAR on 22:00 - Sep 4 with 1084 views

Ewan_Oozami

Who VARS the VARdians?

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VAR on 22:08 - Sep 4 with 1078 views

eireblue

VAR on 21:37 - Sep 4 by Plums
Biggins?

No, it is Roger Ebert, he worked in the film industry,……as a critic.

Well it’s not him exactly more of what you could call a 3D representation, that someone made, so a statue if you wi….

Oh crikey, have I inadvertently posted an image of a thumbs up gesture, expressing endorsement of the previous posters post that in part postulated positively that no one ever made a statue of a critic, by posting a statue of a critic.

Dammit have I got stuck in a Russell’s Paradox again, my boss is never happy when I have to phone this in on a Monday morning, and tell him I won’t be back at work until Wednesday afternoon at the soonest.

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VAR on 07:00 - Sep 5 with 1019 views

PioneerBlue

Dump VAR, it’s not deployed and not deployable throughout the game therefore we have two forms of football running. Plus it’s a good idea but ruining the spectacle of football.

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VAR on 07:28 - Sep 5 with 1013 views

ITFC_Forever

VAR on 13:26 - Sep 4 by ITFC_Forever
Just scrap VAR. It started off as a shambles, has got worse and is showing no signs of improving. Goal-line technology is fine, it decides on fact, but VAR is ruining the game.

Down voted by big bad Dave U.

Seems he’s spreading his wings on from politics.

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VAR on 08:18 - Sep 5 with 978 views

Radlett_blue

VAR on 07:00 - Sep 5 by PioneerBlue
Dump VAR, it’s not deployed and not deployable throughout the game therefore we have two forms of football running. Plus it’s a good idea but ruining the spectacle of football. [Post edited 5 Sep 2022 7:53]

The FIFA supported idea that the laws of football should be the same in every game from the World Cup Final to Hackney Marshes is absurd e.g. no neutral linesmen, no 4th official, no goal line technology etc etc.
However, the way VAR is used in England is an abomination. The idea that it would lead to far better decision making seemed to make sense, but the VAR in Stockley Park usually seems to think it's his job to take over the game & find some petty infraction & rule out what seems a perfectly good goal. If he can't spot a "clear & obvious error" within 30 seconds, it isn't clear & obvious so the on field decision remains. In the same vein, if he has to send the on field ref to look at a screen & think, again it isn't clear & obvious. Either an immediate overrule, or the decision stands.

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VAR on 08:29 - Sep 5 with 970 views

ArnoldMoorhen

VAR on 12:27 - Sep 4 by Plums
An impartial, professional referee of course. The trouble with the game is too many people giving opinions on TV don’t know the laws of the game and don’t referee them or have any intention to. Nobody ever built a statue to a critic.

Kevin Beattie was a pundit on Radio Suffolk, and he's definitely got a statue.

VAR on 09:59 - Sep 5 with 928 views

ArnieM

VAR is the single worst thing to happen to the “ modern game@. Get rid of it, and allow linesmen to do their job and the ref theirs.

VAR “ interpretation” when it’s looked at over and over again is not in the spirit of the game. The game is far to over analysed (and this includes “ pundits” on MOTD)!

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VAR on 10:13 - Sep 5 with 907 views

ellaandred

VAR on 09:59 - Sep 5 by ArnieM
VAR is the single worst thing to happen to the “ modern game@. Get rid of it, and allow linesmen to do their job and the ref theirs. VAR “ interpretation” when it’s looked at over and over again is not in the spirit of the game. The game is far to over analysed (and this includes “ pundits” on MOTD)!

Good point about pundits.
Lineker, Shearer.Neville etc having been criticising, moaning and slagging off officials for years, they were all for VAR, now they hate it.
Can't have both ways, chaps!!

VAR on 10:30 - Sep 5 with 900 views

clive_baker

I honestly think it's overcomplicating the whole thing. Yes to some extent its how it's used, but it's very presence is having an adverse impact even if used appropriately IMO. It's football, It's live sport, it's unpredictable and it's possible that you might get a bit unlucky from time to time. Deal with it, moan about it for a bit in the pub afterwards and move on. Why are we sanitising the thing to such an extent that every decsion is being scrutinised, poured over, and we have to watch 4 minutes of replays before coming to a conclusion? If tech can be introduced and not impact play, like goaline technology or like robotic linos perhaps they fine, but currently it cant. Do away with VAR completely I say.

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VAR on 10:37 - Sep 5 with 880 views

itfcjoe

VAR on 10:30 - Sep 5 by clive_baker

Keep it for clear and obvious errors, i.e if you can tell from the first replay within 30 seconds it's clear and obvious - otherwise it just totally detracts from the game itself.

We must be close to offside being automated as GLT is, if that's the case then happy with that.

But some of the decisions are just so bad, it's supposed to cut our major errors, not re-referee the game to look for a reason disallow goals. It seemed to have been going that way with directives but for whatever reason over last week it's gone to absolute sh*t.

Then you get something like the Leeds one, ref looking straight at it, shirt pulled back so clearly, then dragged down and potentially a penalty - but because it is (presumbly?) judged marginally outside the box no review or nothing after being on end of soft one earlier - so it' treats blatant fouls differently depending on where it happens on the pitch which is massively inconsistent

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clive_baker

VAR on 10:37 - Sep 5 by itfcjoe

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I don't think it can be, because it's so subjective. While it exists, a ref will be inclined to want to refer to it, I think that's natural. We then get into the realms of what's 'clear and obvious' and what isn't. It's the subjectivity that is causing so much inconsistency. I think automated offsides should be easy enough to implement in time, and goalline tech is a great example of where tech has improved the integriy of decision making. VAR sanitises that goal moment to such a degree that ultimately I think it has a negative impact overall. Decisions won't always be right with or without VAR.

I think remove VAR altogether and invest the time and effort in upskilling the men in the middle.

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VAR on 11:01 - Sep 5 with 847 views

Garv

VAR on 10:13 - Sep 5 by ellaandred
Good point about pundits. Lineker, Shearer.Neville etc having been criticising, moaning and slagging off officials for years, they were all for VAR, now they hate it. Can't have both ways, chaps!!

The sad thing is they are so unaware that their own pissing and moaning brought VAR into the game in the first place.

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VAR on 12:26 - Sep 5 with 814 views

mylittletown

VAR on 11:01 - Sep 5 by Garv
The sad thing is they are so unaware that their own pissing and moaning brought VAR into the game in the first place.

They are not slagging off VAR.
They are, with some justification, slagging off the way it is used and the competence of the people administering it.

VAR on 14:17 - Sep 5 with 773 views

Stu_Magoo

VAR on 11:49 - Sep 4 by Wacko
Sounds like there needs to be VAR for VAR where referees in a second VAR studio watch the mistakes made by those in the first VAR studio

VAR-ception.

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VAR on 14:32 - Sep 5 with 759 views

iamatractorboy

VAR on 15:42 - Sep 4 by Dyland
Totally agree. One of the problems attracting a glut of good refs is possibly the abuse you get, especially unpleasant at grass roots and semi-pro level, not to mention dangerous. Basically who'd want to be a ref? We get the refs we deserve, put bluntly.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62792367

The head of the Referees' Association backs that up, although for some reason former ref Hackett is blaming top level officials' poor decisions rather than the idiots that abuse and even assault refs.

VAR on 14:40 - Sep 5 with 748 views

Vaughan8

I know its suppose to be "clear and obvious" errors, but clearly its not being treated like that.

If someone is "obviously" offside and has an advantage then disallow it.

An armpit offside by mm is going to make no difference.

That Newcastle disallowed goal I think is the most ridiculous this weekend followed by Brightons. (despite a lot of the talk over West hams)

VAR on 14:56 - Sep 6 with 615 views

Garv

VAR on 12:26 - Sep 5 by mylittletown
They are not slagging off VAR. They are, with some justification, slagging off the way it is used and the competence of the people administering it.

The people administering it are the same people refereeing the games in the first place, what did everyone expect?

It's hilariously stupid.

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