| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 08:49 - Sep 23 with 916 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 08:43 - Sep 23 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Cocaine is from the same source and the dealers, it’s not grown in someone’s attic. Lots of cognitive dissonance from users.
Who do you most enjoy funding - FARC, the Cartels, or the Taliban? |
You have a Daily-Mail level of understanding on drugs. |  |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 08:53 - Sep 23 with 913 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 08:46 - Sep 23 by Funge |
Dollers, disregarding the County Lines operations (which are more centred around crack and heroin), it is indisputable that the cocaine operation is nasty, nasty stuff. Check out the back end of this story, here in our fair town...
https://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/crime/ipswich-cocaine-dealer-lirim-hoxha-jail
The Albanian mafia are fully immersed in the UK coke trade; it's their baby.
An individual can justify their own personal use of the drug however they like; that use, however, directly funds massive organised crime.
Most people appear happy enough with that pay-off. |
Hang on, I haven't said anything to dispute all that. All I've said is cocaine doesn't, by itself, make you aggressive. I'm not defending these kids. Where it comes from and what else it funds is an entirely different discussion. | |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 08:58 - Sep 23 with 910 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 08:49 - Sep 23 by noggin |
The thing is, the war on drugs hasn't worked. Humans have been getting high since the beginning of time and they will continue to do so. The funding of organised crime is down to government policy around the world. |
Government policy is what it is though, right or wrong. You or I aren’t going to change that over night.
But it is possible for individuals to NOT buy them and cause the knock on destruction to other peoples lives. Just because “other people do it” is the answer of children and complete melts. |  | | |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 09:00 - Sep 23 with 898 views | noggin |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 08:58 - Sep 23 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Government policy is what it is though, right or wrong. You or I aren’t going to change that over night.
But it is possible for individuals to NOT buy them and cause the knock on destruction to other peoples lives. Just because “other people do it” is the answer of children and complete melts. |
The Houses of Parliament are awash with cocaine, if test results are to be believed. |  |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 09:01 - Sep 23 with 900 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 08:49 - Sep 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You have a Daily-Mail level of understanding on drugs. |
Okay please tell me where you get your ethically sourced cocaine. | | | |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 09:03 - Sep 23 with 893 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 09:00 - Sep 23 by noggin |
The Houses of Parliament are awash with cocaine, if test results are to be believed. |
Exactly- wealthy people who live away from all the Sh1t it does to society. | | | |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 09:05 - Sep 23 with 881 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 09:01 - Sep 23 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Okay please tell me where you get your ethically sourced cocaine. |
I don't do cocaine. | |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 09:08 - Sep 23 with 875 views | noggin |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 09:03 - Sep 23 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Exactly- wealthy people who live away from all the Sh1t it does to society. |
So Governments should legalise cocaine and stop the crime and misery. Telling me, someone who doesn't use cocaine, that people should stop, is futile. People from all walks of life are using the drug and that demand is not going away. There has to be an adult debate about the use of drugs. | |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 09:08 - Sep 23 with 876 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 09:05 - Sep 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I don't do cocaine. |
I thought that was why you’d got so trigger happy with the downvotes…jittery
In which case why are you suggesting that there is no link to buying drugs and funding crime and terrorism. It’s a bizarre take. | | | |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 09:11 - Sep 23 with 860 views | Funge |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 08:53 - Sep 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Hang on, I haven't said anything to dispute all that. All I've said is cocaine doesn't, by itself, make you aggressive. I'm not defending these kids. Where it comes from and what else it funds is an entirely different discussion. |
Mate, you've literally said, on this very thread....
'Yeah I think a few commenting here are the "Drugs are bad" types who've never done anything more than the acceptable brain-changers the government says you can have.'
Applying Cheech and Chong stoner mentality to, er, coke, is an interesting take. |  | | |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 09:12 - Sep 23 with 857 views | Dubtractor |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 08:46 - Sep 23 by Funge |
Dollers, disregarding the County Lines operations (which are more centred around crack and heroin), it is indisputable that the cocaine operation is nasty, nasty stuff. Check out the back end of this story, here in our fair town...
https://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/crime/ipswich-cocaine-dealer-lirim-hoxha-jail
The Albanian mafia are fully immersed in the UK coke trade; it's their baby.
An individual can justify their own personal use of the drug however they like; that use, however, directly funds massive organised crime.
Most people appear happy enough with that pay-off. |
Cocaine is a horrible drug with a genuinely dreadful trail of misery associated with it.
I'm not saying that to take a holier than thou stance, as this certainly isn't a subject where I am holier than thou, but the facts are pretty straightforward on this one.
It is sometimes hard to differentiate between the majority of people who do drugs because they are nice, which let's be honest is the key starting point, and those who's lives are ruined by them. As a result you get threads like this where people get defensive about their own position. |  |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 09:14 - Sep 23 with 847 views | unbelievablue |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 09:12 - Sep 23 by Dubtractor |
Cocaine is a horrible drug with a genuinely dreadful trail of misery associated with it.
I'm not saying that to take a holier than thou stance, as this certainly isn't a subject where I am holier than thou, but the facts are pretty straightforward on this one.
It is sometimes hard to differentiate between the majority of people who do drugs because they are nice, which let's be honest is the key starting point, and those who's lives are ruined by them. As a result you get threads like this where people get defensive about their own position. |
People will obviously be influenced by their own experiences, and there needs to be a nuanced discussion about drugs, and drug-policy, but there rarely is, unfortunately.
We're all walking contradictions (even if some of us pretend not to be). |  |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 09:22 - Sep 23 with 825 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 09:08 - Sep 23 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I thought that was why you’d got so trigger happy with the downvotes…jittery
In which case why are you suggesting that there is no link to buying drugs and funding crime and terrorism. It’s a bizarre take. |
Where have I suggested that? I've said cocaine doesn't, by itself, make you aggressive. I have said anything about the funding of crime and terrorism.
The only person who appears to be in an alternate reality here is you! | |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 09:26 - Sep 23 with 815 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 09:11 - Sep 23 by Funge |
Mate, you've literally said, on this very thread....
'Yeah I think a few commenting here are the "Drugs are bad" types who've never done anything more than the acceptable brain-changers the government says you can have.'
Applying Cheech and Chong stoner mentality to, er, coke, is an interesting take. |
I've no idea what you think that quote proves but it says nothing about where cocaine comes from and what else it funds. I've only spoken about the effects on the individual.
My point about the "Drugs are bad" types is that they're commenting on the biological and physiological effects without ever having done anything themselves. | |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 09:27 - Sep 23 with 815 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 09:22 - Sep 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Where have I suggested that? I've said cocaine doesn't, by itself, make you aggressive. I have said anything about the funding of crime and terrorism.
The only person who appears to be in an alternate reality here is you! |
The Daily Mail comment. And the fact you’ve done more downvoting than DaveU at Labour Conference time. | | | |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 09:28 - Sep 23 with 810 views | leitrimblue |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 20:07 - Sep 22 by noggin |
That's just not true. A heroin addict, with the right support, could quite possibly hold down a job.
I used illegal drugs for years and held down a job, no problem. By the way, most football fans who use cocaine are not addicts. [Post edited 22 Sep 2022 20:09]
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I think people would be surprised by the amount of fully functioning heroin addicts there are in the UK. I used to work with a few in the mid to late 90,s, including the boss of the company. Not all heroin addicts are queuing on the corner |  | | |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 09:31 - Sep 23 with 804 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 09:27 - Sep 23 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
The Daily Mail comment. And the fact you’ve done more downvoting than DaveU at Labour Conference time. |
That was a general comment on your level of understanding on 'drugs'. You can interpret it how you want in your own head but I haven't said anything about the drug trade being a good thing, and none of my downarrows relate to that or suggest that it is.
It seems you're more interested in what you want me to have said rather than what I actually have. | |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 09:40 - Sep 23 with 793 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 09:31 - Sep 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
That was a general comment on your level of understanding on 'drugs'. You can interpret it how you want in your own head but I haven't said anything about the drug trade being a good thing, and none of my downarrows relate to that or suggest that it is.
It seems you're more interested in what you want me to have said rather than what I actually have. |
I do understand the impact on society which buying drugs has, having lived amongst dealers, users and addicts, which casual users help to fund. And it’s the poorest amongst us that have to live with it.
Not sure what issue you have with that. | | | |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 09:48 - Sep 23 with 777 views | noggin |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 09:40 - Sep 23 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I do understand the impact on society which buying drugs has, having lived amongst dealers, users and addicts, which casual users help to fund. And it’s the poorest amongst us that have to live with it.
Not sure what issue you have with that. |
The problem is, your solution to that misery is to tell deaf ears not to buy cocaine. It is not going to work. | |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 09:50 - Sep 23 with 773 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 09:40 - Sep 23 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I do understand the impact on society which buying drugs has, having lived amongst dealers, users and addicts, which casual users help to fund. And it’s the poorest amongst us that have to live with it.
Not sure what issue you have with that. |
I don't have an issue with that. There's just a lot more to the issue. But I'lll leave it there as haven't got the time to give it the fullest discussion. I merely came into this thread to say that cocaine, by itself, doesn't make you aggressive. | |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 09:54 - Sep 23 with 769 views | BloomBlue |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 09:08 - Sep 23 by noggin |
So Governments should legalise cocaine and stop the crime and misery. Telling me, someone who doesn't use cocaine, that people should stop, is futile. People from all walks of life are using the drug and that demand is not going away. There has to be an adult debate about the use of drugs. |
I mever understand that argument 'if enough people break the law on something make it legal'
Car theft is on the increase, let's make it legal and stop the crime.
House burglary is on the increase, let's make it legal and stop the crime.
I also never understand why people want a nanny state the government have to stop, No people should take personal responsibility. |  | | |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 09:58 - Sep 23 with 769 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 09:48 - Sep 23 by noggin |
The problem is, your solution to that misery is to tell deaf ears not to buy cocaine. It is not going to work. |
I never said it was a solution. Im pointing out those middle class users shirking any responsibility for their actions and their impact on other people - and those that defend them.
Yesterday you were saying the responsibility rests solely on the government and not the users, and that’s simply not true. It’s possible the answer is both. | | | |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 09:59 - Sep 23 with 764 views | noggin |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 09:54 - Sep 23 by BloomBlue |
I mever understand that argument 'if enough people break the law on something make it legal'
Car theft is on the increase, let's make it legal and stop the crime.
House burglary is on the increase, let's make it legal and stop the crime.
I also never understand why people want a nanny state the government have to stop, No people should take personal responsibility. |
Most of the petty crime is directly linked to the illegal drugs trade. You can tell individuals to 'Just say no' but that doesn't work and never will. Prisons are full of addicts who, very often, are using to relieve psychological difficulties. There needs top be an adult debate about the use of drugs. | |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 10:02 - Sep 23 with 758 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 09:54 - Sep 23 by BloomBlue |
I mever understand that argument 'if enough people break the law on something make it legal'
Car theft is on the increase, let's make it legal and stop the crime.
House burglary is on the increase, let's make it legal and stop the crime.
I also never understand why people want a nanny state the government have to stop, No people should take personal responsibility. |
If you don't understand how your examples there are totally different there's probably no helping you. | |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 10:05 - Sep 23 with 750 views | noggin |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 09:58 - Sep 23 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I never said it was a solution. Im pointing out those middle class users shirking any responsibility for their actions and their impact on other people - and those that defend them.
Yesterday you were saying the responsibility rests solely on the government and not the users, and that’s simply not true. It’s possible the answer is both. |
Government policy is responsible for the crime and misery associated with the illegal drugs trade. Demand for drugs is huge and telling people to say no, doesn't work. Filling prisons with addicts doesn't work. Arresting street dealers doesn't work.
Government policy has to change, if you want to stop the misery of illegal drug use. | |
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