| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 20:02 - Sep 22 with 1354 views | WD19 |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 19:17 - Sep 22 by HARRY10 |
Your use of words shows a lack of understanding. NO ONE is pushing drugs. Drug users approach sellers..The buyers are willing participants. It might suit Daily Mail numpties to have the idea that there are shady looking fellows hanging around school gates, which does help any understanding of the subject.
Drugs are not necessarily illegal because of the relative harm they cause. However with cannabis it is the harm they cause to the alcohol industry ie their profits.
One of the main problems is the unregulated way they are sold.
It is worth looking up Pervitin* which was sold in Germany in 1938 as a wonder drug. It is now recognised as the cause of Germany over running France in 1940. The French had calculated that the Maginot line would oblige the Germans to either go through the Ardennes or face strong opposition through Belgium. They had calculated the time it would take, not reckoning on blitzed out Germans being able to travel for 3 days without rest. It is also thought to be one of the reasons for the hold up outside Dunkirk. They and their equipment were shagged out.
The state has always had an ambivalent approach to drug usage. The British armed forces issued around 78 million amphetamine tablets in WW2.
The real question is what causes some to need this 'release', and others not to.
* https://thesecuritydistillery.org/all-articles/pervitin-how-drugs-transformed-wa |
A sister of a close friend is trying to clean up her act. Her dealers bombarded her phone, dropped notes through the door. Offered 2-for-1 deals and eventually took to letterbox dropping free samples to get her restarted.
She has resisted so far, but the statement that nobody in the UK is ‘pushing’ drugs in any shape or form is palpably b0llocks. |  | |  |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 20:03 - Sep 22 with 1353 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 19:59 - Sep 22 by noggin |
Do you think the fact that these drugs are illegal is partly responsible for that? Addicts have no idea what they're taking and have no choice or protections for where they buy their drugs. |
Maybe the violence but not theft and bad hygiene. An addict is not going to worry about disposing needles let alone going to work for 40 hours a week to pay for it.
The answer to addicts is not more drugs, it’s treatment to get them off drugs. As I say the power that be don’t give a sh1te as it doesn’t affect them. |  | | |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 20:07 - Sep 22 with 1325 views | noggin |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 20:03 - Sep 22 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Maybe the violence but not theft and bad hygiene. An addict is not going to worry about disposing needles let alone going to work for 40 hours a week to pay for it.
The answer to addicts is not more drugs, it’s treatment to get them off drugs. As I say the power that be don’t give a sh1te as it doesn’t affect them. |
That's just not true. A heroin addict, with the right support, could quite possibly hold down a job.
I used illegal drugs for years and held down a job, no problem. By the way, most football fans who use cocaine are not addicts. [Post edited 22 Sep 2022 20:09]
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 20:17 - Sep 22 with 1298 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 11:31 - Sep 22 by StokieBlue |
Do you have evidence to support the assertion that society is getting more violent and that is proportional to the increase in violence and disorder at football games?
Do you honestly think some people don't behave differently in the tribal atmosphere of a football match than they do in the office or at home in the evening?
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Yes, there’s evidence.
I haven’t dug deeply, but nationally race and hate crimes were up in this same period by similar orders of magnitude (or more - 70%+ increase in just one of the years covered in the Guardian football report). https://www.stophateuk.org/about-hate-crime/racism-in-the-uk/
I can’t find UK stats for social media hate crimes, but in the US they’ve been increasing steadily since 2014, and most are to do with race or place - https://www.comparitech.com/blog/information-security/online-hate-crime-statisti
It ties in anecdotally with what I’ve seen at football since the return after covid. People seem on edge, angrier and more likely to kick off, and everything I’ve seen has been around race or place (i.e. hate related). We have booing of anti racist measures, with people coming to blows over it. I see more of the Swans than us these days, and they’ve got a creeping nationalism element kicking in that’s leading to scuffles, with arguments being carried on online. There are overt displays of unionism starting up, including UDA flags ffs. That’s then triggering a staunch Welsh anti-Unionism response. The Welsh national anthem is now regularly sung, but I’d never heard it at a Swans game before covid.
We’re seeing evidence at football, but the national stats show that many of these types of problems are societal. |  |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 20:17 - Sep 22 with 1298 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 20:07 - Sep 22 by noggin |
That's just not true. A heroin addict, with the right support, could quite possibly hold down a job.
I used illegal drugs for years and held down a job, no problem. By the way, most football fans who use cocaine are not addicts. [Post edited 22 Sep 2022 20:09]
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“ By the way, most football fans who use cocaine are not addicts”
Nope but they are funding al the misery, violence and ultimately at source, murder and terrorism. | | | |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 20:19 - Sep 22 with 1293 views | noggin |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 20:17 - Sep 22 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
“ By the way, most football fans who use cocaine are not addicts”
Nope but they are funding al the misery, violence and ultimately at source, murder and terrorism. |
Because the drugs are illegal. | |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 20:20 - Sep 22 with 1292 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 20:19 - Sep 22 by noggin |
Because the drugs are illegal. |
Oh I see they had no choice… | | | |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 20:23 - Sep 22 with 1281 views | noggin |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 20:20 - Sep 22 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Oh I see they had no choice… |
Some people make poor choices. I suppose you never did? | |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 20:26 - Sep 22 with 1270 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 20:23 - Sep 22 by noggin |
Some people make poor choices. I suppose you never did? |
Poor choices every week?
Ultimately you are proving my point that people don’t care about the misery it creates. Bit of a Tory attitude surprisingly for you. I got out of there so maybe I shouldn’t care either. But there’s a human cost. | | | |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 20:28 - Sep 22 with 1263 views | noggin |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 20:26 - Sep 22 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Poor choices every week?
Ultimately you are proving my point that people don’t care about the misery it creates. Bit of a Tory attitude surprisingly for you. I got out of there so maybe I shouldn’t care either. But there’s a human cost. |
The misery you talk of is due to cocaine being illegal. | |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 20:42 - Sep 22 with 1251 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 20:28 - Sep 22 by noggin |
The misery you talk of is due to cocaine being illegal. |
it is illegal you can’t change that. It’s just a selfish ‘I’m alright jack’ choice to buy it which DOES cause huge suffering. It’s really not that complicated to see the cause and effect. You are just copping out shifting responsibility to the government(s). Maybe I’ll call my Council in the morning and ask them whether I should wipe my @rse.
That’s the last thing I’m going to say on it, you crack on with your gear I’ll sit back in my cosy suburb and not worry about it ðŸ‘🻠[Post edited 22 Sep 2022 20:47]
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 21:15 - Sep 22 with 1216 views | XYZ |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 20:42 - Sep 22 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
it is illegal you can’t change that. It’s just a selfish ‘I’m alright jack’ choice to buy it which DOES cause huge suffering. It’s really not that complicated to see the cause and effect. You are just copping out shifting responsibility to the government(s). Maybe I’ll call my Council in the morning and ask them whether I should wipe my @rse.
That’s the last thing I’m going to say on it, you crack on with your gear I’ll sit back in my cosy suburb and not worry about it ðŸ‘🻠[Post edited 22 Sep 2022 20:47]
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You had over 50 years of the "just say no" approach - how's that going?
How full are our prisons? How many suffer from the petty crime to feed these habits?
Isn't it time to try a different approach? Treat the health issues and the social exclusion that causes the demand. | | | |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 21:20 - Sep 22 with 1199 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 20:02 - Sep 22 by WD19 |
A sister of a close friend is trying to clean up her act. Her dealers bombarded her phone, dropped notes through the door. Offered 2-for-1 deals and eventually took to letterbox dropping free samples to get her restarted.
She has resisted so far, but the statement that nobody in the UK is ‘pushing’ drugs in any shape or form is palpably b0llocks. |
Indeed. They hang around high schools as well. |  |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 21:26 - Sep 22 with 1203 views | BloomBlue |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 20:26 - Sep 22 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Poor choices every week?
Ultimately you are proving my point that people don’t care about the misery it creates. Bit of a Tory attitude surprisingly for you. I got out of there so maybe I shouldn’t care either. But there’s a human cost. |
Also the illegal growing of crops like Cocaine is destroying the rainforest which if you believe the experts is part of the causes of global warming. Now a lot of people think global warming is a load of tosh.
Drug users are global warming deniers, eco terrorists |  | | |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 21:43 - Sep 22 with 1178 views | Seablu |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 20:17 - Sep 22 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
“ By the way, most football fans who use cocaine are not addicts”
Nope but they are funding al the misery, violence and ultimately at source, murder and terrorism. |
You need to give our dear old Chicozaul a nudge.
He has some remarkably enlightened views on the subject..
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 21:52 - Sep 22 with 1167 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 20:02 - Sep 22 by WD19 |
A sister of a close friend is trying to clean up her act. Her dealers bombarded her phone, dropped notes through the door. Offered 2-for-1 deals and eventually took to letterbox dropping free samples to get her restarted.
She has resisted so far, but the statement that nobody in the UK is ‘pushing’ drugs in any shape or form is palpably b0llocks. |
‘She has resisted so far, but the statement that nobody in the UK is ‘pushing’ drugs in any shape or form is palpably b0llocks’.
Of course it’s b0llocks.. because it’s not what I said. I said ‘I’m not someone who is pushing drugs’. To which you’ve taken that I’ve said nobody is. |  |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 08:16 - Sep 23 with 1069 views | itfcjoe |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 17:07 - Sep 22 by The_Flashing_Smile |
That's never been my reason, and I suspect it's not most people's. |
We are talking about at the football here, people on all dayers starting before the coach leaves Ipswich to get to London and the like, not a few ad execs going to a night club though |  |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 08:21 - Sep 23 with 1052 views | unbelievablue |
Policing seems quite laissez faire in recent years. Do we even have a Football liaison anymore? You didn't used to be able to go to a middling away game wearing a Lacoste polo without DK turning up and gawking at you across the bar. |  |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 08:25 - Sep 23 with 1042 views | noggin |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 08:16 - Sep 23 by itfcjoe |
We are talking about at the football here, people on all dayers starting before the coach leaves Ipswich to get to London and the like, not a few ad execs going to a night club though |
I would bet that most lads doing cocaine at the football, are not looking for trouble. | |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 08:29 - Sep 23 with 1031 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 19:45 - Sep 22 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I’ve lived amongst drug addicts in Housing Association, drugs cause utter misery, (potentially infected)needles lying around where kids play, theft and burglary to pay for their habits (from people that don’t have a lot to p1ss in), human faeces in communal areas, assaults etc etc.
The middle class users from the suburbs don’t give a Sh1t because it’s because it’s out of sight, out of mind. |
You're lumping different drugs together like they're all the same. What you're describing there is heroin which is a much different kettle of fish and I doubt there's any evidence of people using heroin at the football. |  |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 08:38 - Sep 23 with 1020 views | Funge |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 08:25 - Sep 23 by noggin |
I would bet that most lads doing cocaine at the football, are not looking for trouble. |
There's far too much Coke in football (& society) nowadays; it's fully endemic. Even compared pre-COVID, the use now is just brazen, compared to then. It's all anecdotal, but look at the queues for any toilet cubicle at PR, or away, prior to KO or at HT. Loads of people are off their lips.
There's also, as per the OP, a sizeable increase in trouble at football post-COVID.
Whats my point? Most people going to football aren't looking for trouble, sure; but giving a load of bolshy kids Coke definitely doesn't calm them down. |  | | |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 08:43 - Sep 23 with 1014 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 08:29 - Sep 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You're lumping different drugs together like they're all the same. What you're describing there is heroin which is a much different kettle of fish and I doubt there's any evidence of people using heroin at the football. |
Cocaine is from the same source and the dealers, it’s not grown in someone’s attic. Lots of cognitive dissonance from users.
Who do you most enjoy funding - FARC, the Cartels, or the Taliban? | | | |
| Yeah, it’s the little rozzer… on 08:43 - Sep 23 with 1016 views | Bloots |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 08:21 - Sep 23 by unbelievablue |
Policing seems quite laissez faire in recent years. Do we even have a Football liaison anymore? You didn't used to be able to go to a middling away game wearing a Lacoste polo without DK turning up and gawking at you across the bar. |
….getting picked on by those kids after the Barnsley game.
The days of Kingy and even Trevor Smith are long gone. |  |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 08:46 - Sep 23 with 1004 views | Funge |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 08:29 - Sep 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You're lumping different drugs together like they're all the same. What you're describing there is heroin which is a much different kettle of fish and I doubt there's any evidence of people using heroin at the football. |
Dollers, disregarding the County Lines operations (which are more centred around crack and heroin), it is indisputable that the cocaine operation is nasty, nasty stuff. Check out the back end of this story, here in our fair town...
https://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/crime/ipswich-cocaine-dealer-lirim-hoxha-jail
The Albanian mafia are fully immersed in the UK coke trade; it's their baby.
An individual can justify their own personal use of the drug however they like; that use, however, directly funds massive organised crime.
Most people appear happy enough with that pay-off. | | | |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 08:49 - Sep 23 with 987 views | noggin |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 08:43 - Sep 23 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Cocaine is from the same source and the dealers, it’s not grown in someone’s attic. Lots of cognitive dissonance from users.
Who do you most enjoy funding - FARC, the Cartels, or the Taliban? |
The thing is, the war on drugs hasn't worked. Humans have been getting high since the beginning of time and they will continue to do so. The funding of organised crime is down to government policy around the world. | |
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