| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 10:15 - Sep 23 with 1385 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 10:05 - Sep 23 by noggin |
Government policy is responsible for the crime and misery associated with the illegal drugs trade. Demand for drugs is huge and telling people to say no, doesn't work. Filling prisons with addicts doesn't work. Arresting street dealers doesn't work.
Government policy has to change, if you want to stop the misery of illegal drug use. |
So you believe someone who buys cocaine has no personal responsibility for their actions? If I went and bought a gun would that be the governments fault too?
I think we are going to have to agree to disagree and leave it there. [Post edited 23 Sep 2022 10:17]
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 10:24 - Sep 23 with 1360 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 10:15 - Sep 23 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
So you believe someone who buys cocaine has no personal responsibility for their actions? If I went and bought a gun would that be the governments fault too?
I think we are going to have to agree to disagree and leave it there. [Post edited 23 Sep 2022 10:17]
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He's not saying they have no personal responsibility. It's irrelevant to how you tackle the problem of drugs, if that's what you want to do rather than just wag your finger from your high horse. As noggin has already said, there needs to be an adult debate. Saying "If I went and bought a gun would that be the governments fault too?" isn't an adult debate. |  |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 10:29 - Sep 23 with 1349 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 10:24 - Sep 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
He's not saying they have no personal responsibility. It's irrelevant to how you tackle the problem of drugs, if that's what you want to do rather than just wag your finger from your high horse. As noggin has already said, there needs to be an adult debate. Saying "If I went and bought a gun would that be the governments fault too?" isn't an adult debate. |
Concern about those poor people that live amongst the crime an violence is a “high horse”.
Weird flex. | | | |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 10:32 - Sep 23 with 1344 views | noggin |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 10:29 - Sep 23 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Concern about those poor people that live amongst the crime an violence is a “high horse”.
Weird flex. |
Out of interest then, what would your solution to that misery be? We know that arresting addicts and dealers doesn't work. |  |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 10:34 - Sep 23 with 1334 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 10:29 - Sep 23 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Concern about those poor people that live amongst the crime an violence is a “high horse”.
Weird flex. |
I wasn't saying literally "you".
And also, great way to miss the point. Or rather intentionally avoid it I'd say. | |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 10:36 - Sep 23 with 1328 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 10:32 - Sep 23 by noggin |
Out of interest then, what would your solution to that misery be? We know that arresting addicts and dealers doesn't work. |
This should be good. | |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 10:52 - Sep 23 with 1306 views | WD19 |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 21:52 - Sep 22 by The_Romford_Blue |
‘She has resisted so far, but the statement that nobody in the UK is ‘pushing’ drugs in any shape or form is palpably b0llocks’.
Of course it’s b0llocks.. because it’s not what I said. I said ‘I’m not someone who is pushing drugs’. To which you’ve taken that I’ve said nobody is. |
It wasn't a response to you dimwit. |  | | |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 10:59 - Sep 23 with 1294 views | Radlett_blue |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 10:32 - Sep 23 by noggin |
Out of interest then, what would your solution to that misery be? We know that arresting addicts and dealers doesn't work. |
There is no perfect solution to the drugs problem, but decriminalising would be a good initial step. |  |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 11:15 - Sep 23 with 1287 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 10:32 - Sep 23 by noggin |
Out of interest then, what would your solution to that misery be? We know that arresting addicts and dealers doesn't work. |
At the moment I can’t see a realistic one - I don’t disagree there should be some empirical research on controlled, monitored and safe access to drugs. I’m aware it’s been done elsewhere. But at the moment you have a government more concerned with dropping the higher rate of income tax.it’s not on their radar as it doesn’t negatively impact them. Let’s not forget they’ve also decimated the police and any support services for addicts.
Appreciate the civil debate though, the Flashing one seems a hysterical character with a bizarrely itchy trigger finger. | | | |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 11:35 - Sep 23 with 1271 views | XYZ |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 09:40 - Sep 23 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I do understand the impact on society which buying drugs has, having lived amongst dealers, users and addicts, which casual users help to fund. And it’s the poorest amongst us that have to live with it.
Not sure what issue you have with that. |
... and you've suggested no solution other than TWTD should just stop using.
Which doesn't work.
You're part of the reason there's a problem. No comment to make on the reason for the demand. Just blame the users.
50 years and counting with your failed approach. | | | |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 11:38 - Sep 23 with 1263 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 11:15 - Sep 23 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
At the moment I can’t see a realistic one - I don’t disagree there should be some empirical research on controlled, monitored and safe access to drugs. I’m aware it’s been done elsewhere. But at the moment you have a government more concerned with dropping the higher rate of income tax.it’s not on their radar as it doesn’t negatively impact them. Let’s not forget they’ve also decimated the police and any support services for addicts.
Appreciate the civil debate though, the Flashing one seems a hysterical character with a bizarrely itchy trigger finger. |
Eh? I'm making the same points as noggin and am also trying to have a civil debate. I've only got narky when people have tried to put words in my mouth. So it's basically, then, the downarrows that have upset you?
Saying the government's busy with other things isn't an argument, but good to see you've softened your stance by saying there should be "controlled, monitored and safe access to drugs" and that you're aware it’s been done elsewhere. Seems opposite to your earlier view, but yes, that's a good start. And much more grown-up thinking than some of your earlier comments. | |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 11:40 - Sep 23 with 1253 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 11:35 - Sep 23 by XYZ |
... and you've suggested no solution other than TWTD should just stop using.
Which doesn't work.
You're part of the reason there's a problem. No comment to make on the reason for the demand. Just blame the users.
50 years and counting with your failed approach. |
“ 50 years and counting with your failed approach.”
It might come as a shock to you so I hope you are sitting down, but my influence on public policy is fairly limited. | | | |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 11:41 - Sep 23 with 1248 views | XYZ |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 11:40 - Sep 23 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
“ 50 years and counting with your failed approach.”
It might come as a shock to you so I hope you are sitting down, but my influence on public policy is fairly limited. |
Very glib. You're blaming users.
Have the balls to back your stance. | | | |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 11:42 - Sep 23 with 1243 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 11:40 - Sep 23 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
“ 50 years and counting with your failed approach.”
It might come as a shock to you so I hope you are sitting down, but my influence on public policy is fairly limited. |
Again, wilfully missing the point. He's not saying you personally should put it into practice! He's saying you're supporting (or were earlier in the thread, you seem to have changed your mind now) a failed approach. | |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 11:48 - Sep 23 with 1235 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 11:41 - Sep 23 by XYZ |
Very glib. You're blaming users.
Have the balls to back your stance. |
I said as things stand they are helping to fund the aforementioned social problems.
Not sure what you are looking for me to say? | | | |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 11:57 - Sep 23 with 1212 views | XYZ |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 11:48 - Sep 23 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I said as things stand they are helping to fund the aforementioned social problems.
Not sure what you are looking for me to say? |
You're just pointing fingers and blaming individuals - that doesn't work in reducing the problem.
It might make you feel better; but that's it. 50 years of blaming people has proven that.
If you were genuinely interested in the problem(s) then you'd be aware of that.
Nancy Reagan would pin a badge on your coat though. | | | |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 20:16 - Sep 24 with 1119 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 17:44 - Sep 22 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Absolutely. I have a few mates who think all drugs are bad (meaning the illegal ones they wouldn't dare sample) whilst being fine with alcohol and all manner or prescription drugs, just because of their legality. The ignorance is astounding. Anyone who still lives their life strictly by what the government says is right, is bonkers in the nut. And I know the HoP is rife with coke itself.
The masses are brainwashed, lied to and cuckolded. Thing is it's not that difficult to look a bit deeper and experience things for yourself. I'm not pushing drugs either but you have one life and I wouldn't want to live all of it by what the powers that be and those with agendas say I should. Most of them are corrupt hypocrites anyway. If recent times haven't shown us that I don't know what will. |
Oh this is absolute gold on so many levels! You've been attacking me for saying the exact same thing! |  | | |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 20:22 - Sep 24 with 1107 views | WD19 |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 20:16 - Sep 24 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Oh this is absolute gold on so many levels! You've been attacking me for saying the exact same thing! |
He downvoted me for pointing out that someone else entirely had errantly responded to a post that wasn’t aimed at them. Overtired I suspect. | | | |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 20:25 - Sep 24 with 1102 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 20:22 - Sep 24 by WD19 |
He downvoted me for pointing out that someone else entirely had errantly responded to a post that wasn’t aimed at them. Overtired I suspect. |
He's a blast! | | | |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 20:32 - Sep 24 with 1096 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 08:21 - Sep 23 by unbelievablue |
Policing seems quite laissez faire in recent years. Do we even have a Football liaison anymore? You didn't used to be able to go to a middling away game wearing a Lacoste polo without DK turning up and gawking at you across the bar. |
Thug! | | | |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 20:42 - Sep 24 with 1088 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 09:08 - Sep 23 by noggin |
So Governments should legalise cocaine and stop the crime and misery. Telling me, someone who doesn't use cocaine, that people should stop, is futile. People from all walks of life are using the drug and that demand is not going away. There has to be an adult debate about the use of drugs. |
There already is, pretty sure Oregon will legalize it soon enough. | | | |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 21:03 - Sep 24 with 1063 views | XYZ |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 20:42 - Sep 24 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
There already is, pretty sure Oregon will legalize it soon enough. |
The discussions in the US are light years ahead of the UK.
You'd never have guessed it would go that way 40 years ago. | | | |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 22:12 - Sep 24 with 1025 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 21:03 - Sep 24 by XYZ |
The discussions in the US are light years ahead of the UK.
You'd never have guessed it would go that way 40 years ago. |
Out west they pretty much just give you a ticket for carrying meth now and are more rightly focused on treatment centers than locking people up. [Post edited 24 Sep 2022 22:29]
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 00:19 - Sep 25 with 981 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 20:16 - Sep 24 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Oh this is absolute gold on so many levels! You've been attacking me for saying the exact same thing! |
No idea what you're talking about. I've attacked you for being against Covid restrictions. I'm not sure what that has to do with the illegal drug debate. | |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 00:25 - Sep 25 with 975 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 20:22 - Sep 24 by WD19 |
He downvoted me for pointing out that someone else entirely had errantly responded to a post that wasn’t aimed at them. Overtired I suspect. |
I downvoted you for calling Rommers a dimwit as I thought that was unnecessary.
Sorry if the downvote made you cry, didn't realise you were so sensitive. | |
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