| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 14:16 - Sep 26 with 1188 views | unbelievablue |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 14:10 - Sep 26 by noggin |
It probably depends on the quantities taken of each drug. Both are highly addictive to certain individuals, and both are harmful to health. Addicts will neglect their health and wellbeing regardless. |
Don't get me wrong, this is no defense of alcohol, or UK govt. drug policy. I am merely pointing out the flaw in Dollers' "look at these articles" arguments which clearly take into account the prevelance of alcohol use.
Heroin once carried a '1 in 4 users get addicted' warning. It is demonstrably proven, again and again, to be harder to use heroin responsibly than using alcohol responsibly.
As an addict myself, I am well aware of the how addiction causes such difficulties not just to health but relationships, work and society at large. [Post edited 26 Sep 2022 14:17]
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 14:19 - Sep 26 with 1161 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 13:55 - Sep 26 by eastangliaisblue |
Like LagosBlue just linked from the article:
"The harm from smoking and alcohol is largely down to markedly higher prevalence"
I have a question for you. If you were to have a smoker who smoked a pack of 20 a day and a cocaine user who done 20 lines a day. Who would be physically and mentally worse off if you were to go back to them in a year? [Post edited 26 Sep 2022 14:15]
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Silly comparison. |  |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 14:20 - Sep 26 with 1155 views | eastangliaisblue |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 14:19 - Sep 26 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Silly comparison. |
Just like yours then. |  | | |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 14:26 - Sep 26 with 1130 views | noggin |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 14:16 - Sep 26 by unbelievablue |
Don't get me wrong, this is no defense of alcohol, or UK govt. drug policy. I am merely pointing out the flaw in Dollers' "look at these articles" arguments which clearly take into account the prevelance of alcohol use.
Heroin once carried a '1 in 4 users get addicted' warning. It is demonstrably proven, again and again, to be harder to use heroin responsibly than using alcohol responsibly.
As an addict myself, I am well aware of the how addiction causes such difficulties not just to health but relationships, work and society at large. [Post edited 26 Sep 2022 14:17]
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Even comparing how addictive each is, is impossible imho. I imagine 99% of first time heroin users will have some form of serious mental health struggles, which will make them vulnerable to addiction. Drinking is generally sociable for most people. Heroin use is almost always to block mental illness symptoms. |  |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 14:26 - Sep 26 with 1128 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 14:20 - Sep 26 by eastangliaisblue |
Just like yours then. |
Eh? That doesn't make any sense. I've studied the effects and dangers of alcohol, tobacco and illegal drugs. I suspect I'm trying to educate someone who's done little more than read a few Daily Mail articles.
I can't find the links now and am not going to waste my time searching for people who are just going to dismiss them, but you're more likely to die prematurely from smoking cigarettes (they're proven to cause cancer) than you are from having a few lines of charlie. | |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 14:29 - Sep 26 with 1118 views | bungaytractor |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 14:20 - Sep 26 by eastangliaisblue |
Just like yours then. |
He was saying he wanted to ban chips the other day aswell but heroine ect is good and no problem |  | | |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 14:29 - Sep 26 with 1113 views | jeera |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 14:29 - Sep 26 by bungaytractor |
He was saying he wanted to ban chips the other day aswell but heroine ect is good and no problem |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 14:32 - Sep 26 with 1094 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 14:29 - Sep 26 by bungaytractor |
He was saying he wanted to ban chips the other day aswell but heroine ect is good and no problem |
This comedy creation is too funny.
Yes I definitely said we should ban chips and heroine (sic) is good, FFS | |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 14:38 - Sep 26 with 1071 views | jeera |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 14:26 - Sep 26 by noggin |
Even comparing how addictive each is, is impossible imho. I imagine 99% of first time heroin users will have some form of serious mental health struggles, which will make them vulnerable to addiction. Drinking is generally sociable for most people. Heroin use is almost always to block mental illness symptoms. |
The mental health reasoning is hard to argue with, it's true.
People who have suffered immense trauma have sought ways to dull the pain and it's not that uncommon to be so desperate for people to try anything.
There are also some people who try it and continue to use because they simply like the effect.
One thing I've not understood on this thread though is how so many posts contain both heroin and cocaine as though they're somehow related. Not many people who can afford to be using cocaine regularly would be the same types to be knocking up heroin.
Generally speaking socially worlds apart for just about every reason going.
I have known a few heroin addicts in the past and have to say the common theme was they would stop at nothing to get a fix.
The alcohol Vs heroin use debate doesn't work either. Not to disagree with the widespread damage alcohol has had on many lives, it's comparing completely different things entirely used in completely different circumstances. | |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 14:40 - Sep 26 with 1065 views | unbelievablue |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 14:38 - Sep 26 by jeera |
The mental health reasoning is hard to argue with, it's true.
People who have suffered immense trauma have sought ways to dull the pain and it's not that uncommon to be so desperate for people to try anything.
There are also some people who try it and continue to use because they simply like the effect.
One thing I've not understood on this thread though is how so many posts contain both heroin and cocaine as though they're somehow related. Not many people who can afford to be using cocaine regularly would be the same types to be knocking up heroin.
Generally speaking socially worlds apart for just about every reason going.
I have known a few heroin addicts in the past and have to say the common theme was they would stop at nothing to get a fix.
The alcohol Vs heroin use debate doesn't work either. Not to disagree with the widespread damage alcohol has had on many lives, it's comparing completely different things entirely used in completely different circumstances. |
Likewise using 'cocaine' and not differentiating between crack cocaine and powder cocaine. | |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 14:40 - Sep 26 with 1059 views | jeera |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 14:40 - Sep 26 by unbelievablue |
Likewise using 'cocaine' and not differentiating between crack cocaine and powder cocaine. |
Quite.
Too many generalisations. | |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 14:41 - Sep 26 with 1043 views | eastangliaisblue |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 14:26 - Sep 26 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Eh? That doesn't make any sense. I've studied the effects and dangers of alcohol, tobacco and illegal drugs. I suspect I'm trying to educate someone who's done little more than read a few Daily Mail articles.
I can't find the links now and am not going to waste my time searching for people who are just going to dismiss them, but you're more likely to die prematurely from smoking cigarettes (they're proven to cause cancer) than you are from having a few lines of charlie. |
I was a raver in the nineties so I'm not a stranger to drugs, ecstasy was my drug of choice.
A good friend of mine was addicted to coke by the early noughties and it completely changed him as a person.
I'm not downplaying the longterm effects of smoking, but I know I'd rather be addicted to that than cocaine.
Seeing firsthand what coke can do I'll say it again your claims are laughable.
Got to go I've got a few Daily Mail articles to read. | | | |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 14:44 - Sep 26 with 1027 views | Darth_Koont |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 14:40 - Sep 26 by jeera |
Quite.
Too many generalisations. |
It’s almost as if people don’t know what they’re talking about.
But then their ignorance frees them up to have a strong, ultra-simplistic opinion. |  |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 14:49 - Sep 26 with 998 views | bungaytractor |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 14:32 - Sep 26 by The_Flashing_Smile |
This comedy creation is too funny.
Yes I definitely said we should ban chips and heroine (sic) is good, FFS |
Maybe its the way it came across but thats what it sounded like to me | | | |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 15:00 - Sep 26 with 982 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 14:38 - Sep 26 by jeera |
The mental health reasoning is hard to argue with, it's true.
People who have suffered immense trauma have sought ways to dull the pain and it's not that uncommon to be so desperate for people to try anything.
There are also some people who try it and continue to use because they simply like the effect.
One thing I've not understood on this thread though is how so many posts contain both heroin and cocaine as though they're somehow related. Not many people who can afford to be using cocaine regularly would be the same types to be knocking up heroin.
Generally speaking socially worlds apart for just about every reason going.
I have known a few heroin addicts in the past and have to say the common theme was they would stop at nothing to get a fix.
The alcohol Vs heroin use debate doesn't work either. Not to disagree with the widespread damage alcohol has had on many lives, it's comparing completely different things entirely used in completely different circumstances. |
Indeed, I've said similar earlier in the thread. Ignorant types will just lump all "drugs" into one pot as if they're all the same thing. The same types many of which don't even think of tobacco and alcohol as drugs because of their legal status. | |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 15:03 - Sep 26 with 959 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 14:41 - Sep 26 by eastangliaisblue |
I was a raver in the nineties so I'm not a stranger to drugs, ecstasy was my drug of choice.
A good friend of mine was addicted to coke by the early noughties and it completely changed him as a person.
I'm not downplaying the longterm effects of smoking, but I know I'd rather be addicted to that than cocaine.
Seeing firsthand what coke can do I'll say it again your claims are laughable.
Got to go I've got a few Daily Mail articles to read. |
So your 'knowledge' is derived from the experience of one friend. Brilliant.
Well I'd rather take coke than smoke cigarettes and get cancer, personally. | |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 15:07 - Sep 26 with 953 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 14:49 - Sep 26 by bungaytractor |
Maybe its the way it came across but thats what it sounded like to me |
What part of "Jesus. I'm not saying ban chips" did you struggle with?!
And I didn't even MENTION heroin.
I reckon you're on drugs right now. | |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 15:10 - Sep 26 with 947 views | Sikamikanico |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 15:07 - Sep 26 by The_Flashing_Smile |
What part of "Jesus. I'm not saying ban chips" did you struggle with?!
And I didn't even MENTION heroin.
I reckon you're on drugs right now. |
Or eating a lot of chips | | | |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 15:12 - Sep 26 with 938 views | bluelagos |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 14:44 - Sep 26 by Darth_Koont |
It’s almost as if people don’t know what they’re talking about.
But then their ignorance frees them up to have a strong, ultra-simplistic opinion. |
I think you summed up much of this thread brilliantly. |  |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 15:17 - Sep 26 with 921 views | itfcjoe |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 15:03 - Sep 26 by The_Flashing_Smile |
So your 'knowledge' is derived from the experience of one friend. Brilliant.
Well I'd rather take coke than smoke cigarettes and get cancer, personally. |
Unless you are doing coke all day every day, then you'd be no different to smoking at those times.
Anyone doing coke all day every day, or smoking all day every day, is going to be having problems - those who just do either socially won't be in reality |  |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 15:31 - Sep 26 with 884 views | eastangliaisblue |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 15:03 - Sep 26 by The_Flashing_Smile |
So your 'knowledge' is derived from the experience of one friend. Brilliant.
Well I'd rather take coke than smoke cigarettes and get cancer, personally. |
Erm cocaine can cause cancer, and there you are claiming you've done studies on the subject. | | | |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 15:35 - Sep 26 with 880 views | bungaytractor |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 15:07 - Sep 26 by The_Flashing_Smile |
What part of "Jesus. I'm not saying ban chips" did you struggle with?!
And I didn't even MENTION heroin.
I reckon you're on drugs right now. |
OK so you dont want to ban chips fair enough my mistake
But the point is chips are bad for you like beer fags but NOT as bad as drugs which is why there illegal....... | | | |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 15:35 - Sep 26 with 879 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 15:31 - Sep 26 by eastangliaisblue |
Erm cocaine can cause cancer, and there you are claiming you've done studies on the subject. |
It's much much less likely than smoking tobacco, was my point. | |
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| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 15:36 - Sep 26 with 877 views | eastangliaisblue |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 15:35 - Sep 26 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It's much much less likely than smoking tobacco, was my point. |
Any proof to back that up? | | | |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 15:38 - Sep 26 with 873 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Sharp rise in disorder at football games in England and Wales last season on 15:35 - Sep 26 by bungaytractor |
OK so you dont want to ban chips fair enough my mistake
But the point is chips are bad for you like beer fags but NOT as bad as drugs which is why there illegal....... |
No. Tobacco is far worse for you than cannabis.
https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2012/01/98519/marijuana-shown-be-less-damaging-lungs-t | |
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