| Novotel injunction rejected on 00:30 - Nov 13 with 1426 views | gtsb1966 |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 19:50 - Nov 12 by StokieBlue |
So send them back before we appraise their application?
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You haven't got a clue. Wind your neck in and stop thinking you're the board oracle and I'll tell you why immigration in this area is massively failing. ....and I speak to the police, social services and charity drug groups. [Post edited 13 Nov 2022 0:37]
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| Novotel injunction rejected on 00:35 - Nov 13 with 1411 views | StokieBlue |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 00:30 - Nov 13 by gtsb1966 |
You haven't got a clue. Wind your neck in and stop thinking you're the board oracle and I'll tell you why immigration in this area is massively failing. ....and I speak to the police, social services and charity drug groups. [Post edited 13 Nov 2022 0:37]
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What are you on about?
This board oracle narrative is pathetic, you just say it to avoid having to answer the question. It's Trumpian nonsense and you should be ashamed.
I asked a simple question in response to you saying they should be immediately sent back, I didn't opine on anything. Rather than answer that simple and polite question you've been abusive.
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| Novotel injunction rejected on 00:55 - Nov 13 with 1380 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 17:07 - Nov 12 by BlueBadger |
Imagine being the sort of person willing to fall for the con peddled by one of the frontmen behind Vote Leave. |
Thanks for the input Captain Binary. |  |
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| Novotel injunction rejected on 01:48 - Nov 13 with 1364 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 22:50 - Nov 12 by HARRY10 |
So no real evidence, just guess. And I am sure we can all work out what sort of people are doing that guessing. The same sort of folk who are winding themselves up.... about what ?
Given how many EU workers left during the pandemic the numbers of non UK folk is still far less than 2019
The cost ? Yes the cost far out ranks the hundreds of millions in interest payments Truss's brexit attempt will now cost. It doesn't.
"It affects me... baa baa."
No it does not. All it does is put the spotlight on the rabid racists among us.
Meanwhile, rightie politics has seen endless cuts to the civil service, so not only are there not enough immigration staff to process these claims,there are not enough customs staff to check inward arriving goods.
Thickos hoist by their own stupidity, some might argue. Where was the protest from righties when Johnsons lunatic idea was to cut the civil service by 91,000 ?
Brexit took the UK out of the Dublin Accord. Thats why the numbers arriving have increased
Time brexiters stopped endlessly whining and began to accept the consequences of their actions |
Not everything is solely down to Brexit. EU numbers/claims are at a 7 year high and it's also put a lot of pressure on many member states resources as well. There's plenty of data out there. |  | | |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 02:11 - Nov 13 with 1354 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 17:43 - Nov 12 by StokieBlue |
You mean people looking for a better life who have the right to be assessed by the immigration system.
Let's hope you never have to flee anywhere, you're only in the position that you don't due to luck of birth.
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The UK government needs to address the civil service and do more to process cases. It's quite obviously a broken system. It seems clear that it needs to sort immigration from an administrative perspective first and foremost. As a wealthy (at least on the face of it) and safe country it must also do it's fair share in helping those in need, that goes without saying. It's behind Germany and France from official numbers of approved cases (I believe).
Respectfully though, immigration law is also important in this context. Someone in search of a "better life" doesn't necessarily qualify for political asylum. It has been well known that getting to the UK undocumented means you are will very often be able to stay (estimates are at 1.2M within the population). That's high. If you didn't arrive through an official POE and you're undocumented, you're basically just stuck in aforementioned broken system. So you're not really getting sent back, if there isn't a true record of your entry.
None of this is very new and been happening for basically decades at this point. It's certainly not a right wing wolf whistle to say it's been a profitable route for gangs and people smugglers. Many interviewed have very freely admitted they've paid people in their Home Counties to assist in making Europe / the UK. This also clearly puts people in danger during their journey. So addressing the entire system would seem to help those most in need and do more to put criminals out business. Easier said than done but a massive failure at the moment.
Without following the Novotel story in depth and I'm not sure the ins and out of it but one thing that seems very unfair, is low paid folks in the service industry losing their jobs overnight. I suspect some of whom were EU nationals with UK residency themselves. Most of it all seems necessary as a result in terrible management of the entire system in the first place, which the Conservatives should take a lot of responsibility for. [Post edited 13 Nov 2022 2:53]
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| Novotel injunction rejected on 07:57 - Nov 13 with 1256 views | textbackup |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 17:57 - Nov 12 by GeoffSentence |
Just as a matter of interest what issues do you think they will cause in the Town centre that they don't in a village outside it. |
hanging around local night spot areas, making people of both sexes feel threatened being the first one.
again, as i said, a fully written document from Suffolk police was produced outlining multiple concerns, and this was ignored. so the decision had been made whatever.
can only hope this passes without any significate incidents, for either side |  |
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| Novotel injunction rejected on 17:03 - Nov 13 with 1126 views | bluejacko |
Ok genuine questions here,
How can you be an asylum seeker from Albania,as far as I can tell it’s not a war torn country or a particularly nasty regime?
How can we give asylum to people who have no proof of who they are as they all ditch their ID in the channel?
Now then are people who cant pay their rent and get kicked out of their housing,will a nice hotel room be waiting for them? |  | | |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 17:10 - Nov 13 with 1116 views | monytowbray |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 21:21 - Nov 11 by Parky |
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If I have to flee the country and make a dangerous journey over land and sea to a basic level of human survival needs, you better be damn right the first thing I’m doing is having a fat old smoke.
Knowing you personally, I’d expect in the same boat you’d want to have a pint and watch football.
The dehumanisation of others based on pre-determined judgements does get a little old. I’d be curious to ask what point you think Farage is making in the video and your reason for sharing it. |  |
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| Novotel injunction rejected on 17:21 - Nov 13 with 1100 views | monytowbray |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 07:57 - Nov 13 by textbackup |
hanging around local night spot areas, making people of both sexes feel threatened being the first one.
again, as i said, a fully written document from Suffolk police was produced outlining multiple concerns, and this was ignored. so the decision had been made whatever.
can only hope this passes without any significate incidents, for either side |
How does one integrate without, ya know, being active in society?
Much like the BS the Brexit bunch took line and sinker and refuse to take ownership of, you’ll move into the next enemy they declare once the right wing authoritian movement has got all the foreign/brown people exiled/genocided and nothing improves.
Easy targets to point fingers at is easier than addressing considerate issues with the economy, public funding and poverty you’ve happy clapped into place in recent years because you all believed Murdoch that Corbyn was a threat to Britain.
Problems in this town go well beyond the small minded blame game of racism. | |
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| Novotel injunction rejected on 17:21 - Nov 13 with 1103 views | blueasfook |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 22:50 - Nov 12 by HARRY10 |
So no real evidence, just guess. And I am sure we can all work out what sort of people are doing that guessing. The same sort of folk who are winding themselves up.... about what ?
Given how many EU workers left during the pandemic the numbers of non UK folk is still far less than 2019
The cost ? Yes the cost far out ranks the hundreds of millions in interest payments Truss's brexit attempt will now cost. It doesn't.
"It affects me... baa baa."
No it does not. All it does is put the spotlight on the rabid racists among us.
Meanwhile, rightie politics has seen endless cuts to the civil service, so not only are there not enough immigration staff to process these claims,there are not enough customs staff to check inward arriving goods.
Thickos hoist by their own stupidity, some might argue. Where was the protest from righties when Johnsons lunatic idea was to cut the civil service by 91,000 ?
Brexit took the UK out of the Dublin Accord. Thats why the numbers arriving have increased
Time brexiters stopped endlessly whining and began to accept the consequences of their actions |
£4,300 seems a reasonable figure to me to house an asylum seeker for a month, especially in a hotel. I don't suppose hotels are offering accommodation for free.
Now, let's multiply that figure by... hmmm, let's say the 40,000 that have arrived this year. Gives a paltry amount of £172million each month. Multiply again by 12 makes it £2billion a year. I grant you these figures aren't pinpoint accurate but I am sure not wildly inaccurate either.
Do you even bother to think about the impact on the UK of the huge numbers arriving in the country or do you just concentrate on calling anyone concerned about it a "rightie thicko"?
And as for your last comment, the immigration numbers are at record highs throughout the EU, so nothing at all to do with Brexit. |  |
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| Novotel injunction rejected on 17:25 - Nov 13 with 1096 views | XYZ |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 17:03 - Nov 13 by bluejacko |
Ok genuine questions here,
How can you be an asylum seeker from Albania,as far as I can tell it’s not a war torn country or a particularly nasty regime?
How can we give asylum to people who have no proof of who they are as they all ditch their ID in the channel?
Now then are people who cant pay their rent and get kicked out of their housing,will a nice hotel room be waiting for them? |
Your complaints are against the tory government who have designed the scheme in operation.
You are also conflating two issues - social housing and immigration. The tories have failed on both issues. They don't need to interact - they are designed to - in order to wind you up.
The tories inflict misery on people (immigrants and the poor) deliberately to wind you up.
The country can afford decent affordable housing for all and fair, properly resourced and efficient asylum and immigration systems.
The tories choose for that not to be the case in order to wind you up. | | | |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 17:28 - Nov 13 with 1090 views | XYZ |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 17:21 - Nov 13 by blueasfook |
£4,300 seems a reasonable figure to me to house an asylum seeker for a month, especially in a hotel. I don't suppose hotels are offering accommodation for free.
Now, let's multiply that figure by... hmmm, let's say the 40,000 that have arrived this year. Gives a paltry amount of £172million each month. Multiply again by 12 makes it £2billion a year. I grant you these figures aren't pinpoint accurate but I am sure not wildly inaccurate either.
Do you even bother to think about the impact on the UK of the huge numbers arriving in the country or do you just concentrate on calling anyone concerned about it a "rightie thicko"?
And as for your last comment, the immigration numbers are at record highs throughout the EU, so nothing at all to do with Brexit. |
Or you could have a system that processed them in a matter of weeks - then they're either deported or available for productive work and paying tax and NI.
The tories choose to make processing take 18 months and make the taxpayer incur those costs.
All in order to upset people on the internet and keep Farage in the manner (manor?) to which he has become accustomed. | | | |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 17:28 - Nov 13 with 1093 views | monytowbray |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 17:21 - Nov 13 by blueasfook |
£4,300 seems a reasonable figure to me to house an asylum seeker for a month, especially in a hotel. I don't suppose hotels are offering accommodation for free.
Now, let's multiply that figure by... hmmm, let's say the 40,000 that have arrived this year. Gives a paltry amount of £172million each month. Multiply again by 12 makes it £2billion a year. I grant you these figures aren't pinpoint accurate but I am sure not wildly inaccurate either.
Do you even bother to think about the impact on the UK of the huge numbers arriving in the country or do you just concentrate on calling anyone concerned about it a "rightie thicko"?
And as for your last comment, the immigration numbers are at record highs throughout the EU, so nothing at all to do with Brexit. |
Why is it the people who rage about these costs to the British then sit on their sofa humanising Matt Hancock every evening on some crap reality show? How about the hedge fund managers who keep intentionally lobbying our economy to tank so they can extract wealth? What about how corps aren’t paying enough therefore the government has to subsidise wages with benefits whilst the board make billions?
That’s why there’s a RIGHTY THICKO argument. Because if one actually cared or was educated on how the world works rather than their personal stories and bias they’d probably ACTUALLY be more believable when they say “STOP IMMIGRATION TO HELP PEOPLE AT HOME.”
It’s not about the greater good of the nation, it’s about a fictional white identity based on traditions that were largely made up to encourage nationalism and use it as a form of control. | |
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| Novotel injunction rejected on 17:30 - Nov 13 with 1087 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 17:21 - Nov 13 by blueasfook |
£4,300 seems a reasonable figure to me to house an asylum seeker for a month, especially in a hotel. I don't suppose hotels are offering accommodation for free.
Now, let's multiply that figure by... hmmm, let's say the 40,000 that have arrived this year. Gives a paltry amount of £172million each month. Multiply again by 12 makes it £2billion a year. I grant you these figures aren't pinpoint accurate but I am sure not wildly inaccurate either.
Do you even bother to think about the impact on the UK of the huge numbers arriving in the country or do you just concentrate on calling anyone concerned about it a "rightie thicko"?
And as for your last comment, the immigration numbers are at record highs throughout the EU, so nothing at all to do with Brexit. |
The question your figures begs is why would the Government choose to put them up in hotels for a year or more instead of process them and deal with them?
£2Bn per annum due to Government incompetence or due to the political decision that keeping the number of applications still being processed high helps with their agenda of demonisation that far too many are very ready to accept.
I have repeatedly asked questions about the economic migrants that several are determined to say are the problem. No one as answered them. |  |
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| Novotel injunction rejected on 17:32 - Nov 13 with 1084 views | bluejacko |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 17:25 - Nov 13 by XYZ |
Your complaints are against the tory government who have designed the scheme in operation.
You are also conflating two issues - social housing and immigration. The tories have failed on both issues. They don't need to interact - they are designed to - in order to wind you up.
The tories inflict misery on people (immigrants and the poor) deliberately to wind you up.
The country can afford decent affordable housing for all and fair, properly resourced and efficient asylum and immigration systems.
The tories choose for that not to be the case in order to wind you up. |
You could answer the questions I posed if you like instead of a rant!
Again If you arrive here on a boat with no ID how can your asylum application be processed if you cant prove who you are? Now that’s probably why there is a gigantic queue! | | | |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 17:36 - Nov 13 with 1071 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 17:32 - Nov 13 by bluejacko |
You could answer the questions I posed if you like instead of a rant!
Again If you arrive here on a boat with no ID how can your asylum application be processed if you cant prove who you are? Now that’s probably why there is a gigantic queue! |
It isn't the reason at all. | |
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| Novotel injunction rejected on 17:37 - Nov 13 with 1074 views | monytowbray |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 17:32 - Nov 13 by bluejacko |
You could answer the questions I posed if you like instead of a rant!
Again If you arrive here on a boat with no ID how can your asylum application be processed if you cant prove who you are? Now that’s probably why there is a gigantic queue! |
Fingerprints, records, global databases - many of these exist to flag criminals. If I am correct we now have less comms on that front because Brexit. The irony.
The idea that asylum seekers skip in to a pile of money no Qs asked is a fake story implanted in your head by the right wing press. All factual evidence shows it to be horsesh1t.
Often, when criminals slip through, it’s usually the institutional incompetence or failure of power structures like the police or gov. But easier to blame the tofu eating, Guardian reading wokerati or human rights activists/lawyers. [Post edited 13 Nov 2022 17:39]
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| Novotel injunction rejected on 17:41 - Nov 13 with 1059 views | XYZ |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 17:32 - Nov 13 by bluejacko |
You could answer the questions I posed if you like instead of a rant!
Again If you arrive here on a boat with no ID how can your asylum application be processed if you cant prove who you are? Now that’s probably why there is a gigantic queue! |
Er, by having a fair and efficient processing system as I said! I'm not an expert in the fine details of such a system.
Given people have been seeking asylum in countries all around the world for many, many years, I'm sure those that are experts in this field have methods of dealing with those without ID. The UK is not the only country dealing with this - other counties deal with much much bigger numbers.
Rant, lol. You just didn't like it being pointed out to you. | | | |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 17:42 - Nov 13 with 1054 views | blueasfook |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 17:28 - Nov 13 by XYZ |
Or you could have a system that processed them in a matter of weeks - then they're either deported or available for productive work and paying tax and NI.
The tories choose to make processing take 18 months and make the taxpayer incur those costs.
All in order to upset people on the internet and keep Farage in the manner (manor?) to which he has become accustomed. |
Why do you think the asylum process takes so long? Many come from countries where record keeping is poor. Their identities have to be verified, stories corroborated etc. Many purposesly ditch their ID documents to make the process even more complicated. It's not some government ruse to burden taxpayers or for propaganda. I am sure if you looked at asylum cases across the EU you would see similar time taken to process individual cases.
No point arguing with the Tooting Popular Front on here though. You see it how it you want to see it! Keep upvoting each other's nonsense. | |
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| Novotel injunction rejected on 17:45 - Nov 13 with 1047 views | monytowbray |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 17:42 - Nov 13 by blueasfook |
Why do you think the asylum process takes so long? Many come from countries where record keeping is poor. Their identities have to be verified, stories corroborated etc. Many purposesly ditch their ID documents to make the process even more complicated. It's not some government ruse to burden taxpayers or for propaganda. I am sure if you looked at asylum cases across the EU you would see similar time taken to process individual cases.
No point arguing with the Tooting Popular Front on here though. You see it how it you want to see it! Keep upvoting each other's nonsense. |
You could always research your arguments and not spout easily disproven racist sh1te if you wanted to be as popular on here as your ego thinks it is through years of undeserved comedy recognition from the board gammons. | |
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| Novotel injunction rejected on 17:47 - Nov 13 with 1036 views | blueasfook |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 17:45 - Nov 13 by monytowbray |
You could always research your arguments and not spout easily disproven racist sh1te if you wanted to be as popular on here as your ego thinks it is through years of undeserved comedy recognition from the board gammons. |
So you have no real argument, just some pathetic insults?
Not unsurprising. | |
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| Novotel injunction rejected on 17:50 - Nov 13 with 1038 views | monytowbray |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 17:47 - Nov 13 by blueasfook |
So you have no real argument, just some pathetic insults?
Not unsurprising. |
Weird, I thought you’d at least find your own act funny seeing as you take plenty of swipes at those who disagree with you (and have done in this thread).
It turned out it wasn’t funny all aloooong… [Post edited 13 Nov 2022 17:51]
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| Novotel injunction rejected on 17:56 - Nov 13 with 1032 views | XYZ |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 17:42 - Nov 13 by blueasfook |
Why do you think the asylum process takes so long? Many come from countries where record keeping is poor. Their identities have to be verified, stories corroborated etc. Many purposesly ditch their ID documents to make the process even more complicated. It's not some government ruse to burden taxpayers or for propaganda. I am sure if you looked at asylum cases across the EU you would see similar time taken to process individual cases.
No point arguing with the Tooting Popular Front on here though. You see it how it you want to see it! Keep upvoting each other's nonsense. |
Utter nonsense.
"No point in all these people arguing against me" - that might not be the killer line it sounded like in your head before writing it. | | | |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 17:59 - Nov 13 with 1023 views | blueasfook |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 17:50 - Nov 13 by monytowbray |
Weird, I thought you’d at least find your own act funny seeing as you take plenty of swipes at those who disagree with you (and have done in this thread).
It turned out it wasn’t funny all aloooong… [Post edited 13 Nov 2022 17:51]
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By far, the biggest mouth frothers on here are you so-called "progressives".
That's the really funny thing. | |
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| Novotel injunction rejected on 18:04 - Nov 13 with 1350 views | textbackup |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 17:21 - Nov 13 by monytowbray |
How does one integrate without, ya know, being active in society?
Much like the BS the Brexit bunch took line and sinker and refuse to take ownership of, you’ll move into the next enemy they declare once the right wing authoritian movement has got all the foreign/brown people exiled/genocided and nothing improves.
Easy targets to point fingers at is easier than addressing considerate issues with the economy, public funding and poverty you’ve happy clapped into place in recent years because you all believed Murdoch that Corbyn was a threat to Britain.
Problems in this town go well beyond the small minded blame game of racism. |
theres being active in society, then theres standing in groups of 5-15 men, making every person feel uneasy as they pass.
but you know, you dont see it that way, i do, so i must be wrong.
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