| Novotel injunction rejected on 18:13 - Nov 13 with 2372 views | monytowbray |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 18:04 - Nov 13 by textbackup |
theres being active in society, then theres standing in groups of 5-15 men, making every person feel uneasy as they pass.
but you know, you dont see it that way, i do, so i must be wrong.
oh well |
Sounds like the exact same thing we do every Saturday mate, only difference is skin colour and judgement. |  |
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| Novotel injunction rejected on 18:14 - Nov 13 with 2374 views | monytowbray |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 17:59 - Nov 13 by blueasfook |
By far, the biggest mouth frothers on here are you so-called "progressives".
That's the really funny thing. |
Awww you poor thing. Seems the tiniest but back and the whole BANTZ character has vanished | |
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| Novotel injunction rejected on 18:18 - Nov 13 with 2348 views | blueasfook |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 18:14 - Nov 13 by monytowbray |
Awww you poor thing. Seems the tiniest but back and the whole BANTZ character has vanished |
If you say so. You have a lovely evening :) |  |
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| Novotel injunction rejected on 18:21 - Nov 13 with 2348 views | jeera |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 18:04 - Nov 13 by textbackup |
theres being active in society, then theres standing in groups of 5-15 men, making every person feel uneasy as they pass.
but you know, you dont see it that way, i do, so i must be wrong.
oh well |
There has been this issue for some time now, where people who are awaiting decisions on applications have nothing to do.
If they were allowed to work and so contribute to society it would remove the problem.
At least, it would help in no small part wouldn't it.
Imagine waiting around for months on end with little money, nothing to do and bored out of your mind, feeling helpless, hopeless and of no use. Not much good can come from that.
Applicants aren't allowed to work. I know, crazy right?
Think of that food we've all read about rotting in fields through a lack of workers. Just an example; I'm no expert either. |  |
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| Novotel injunction rejected on 18:23 - Nov 13 with 2344 views | J2BLUE |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 18:04 - Nov 13 by textbackup |
theres being active in society, then theres standing in groups of 5-15 men, making every person feel uneasy as they pass.
but you know, you dont see it that way, i do, so i must be wrong.
oh well |
Not having a go because I do think there have been some valid points raised but how much of that is them sticking together because some people are openly hostile to them?
My overriding opinion on all this is that we are ridiculously lucky that we were born on this little island. If you could give up your citizenship to pick a random country out of a hat you would be mad to do it. |  |
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| Novotel injunction rejected on 18:32 - Nov 13 with 2310 views | HARRY10 |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 17:47 - Nov 13 by blueasfook |
So you have no real argument, just some pathetic insults?
Not unsurprising. |
I'm sure if you put forward an argument that had a vague familiarity with reality you might not get posters ridiculing you.
Nothing you have put forward suggests however your whining is any more than the same racism as Fartrage. He gets paid for his shy te, what is your excuse ?
You are being personally affected ?
I venture that you and millions of others (me included) will be affected though, by the massive hike in mortgage costs. Caused by an attempt to push through brexit thinking. 'Thinking' that had the Mail and that self same shyster (Fartrage) acclaiming it as being a brilliant budget. No wonder they now need something as a distraction.
I don't remember either your sort whining about the huge number of Ukrainian refugees flooding into the UK recently. Perhaps their skin colour was different.
There did not appear to be the same complaint either when over 8,000 form SS soldiers 'flooded' into the country after WW2. They were white as well. They were also responsible for any number of atrocities, fired up in part by the same poisonous rhetoric Fartrage is once again spewing out.
Why some fall for such hateful nonsense is another story. Wiser heads recognise that it is often a lot more complicated than the Daily Mails 'simple answers for simple folk' guff.
Just as the talk of untermenchen is now replaced with rants about 'illegals', righties delude themselves they would not be so easily fooled as folk were in the 1930s. They are, every time.
As a point of information those SS soldiers were the 14th Galicien Division
"The Galicien SS Division involved in horrendous war crimes in Ukraine and Slovakia. He provides eyewitness accounts and documentation of the murder by shooting, fire-bombing, hanging, mutilation and appalling torture of anyone who stood out in resistance to the Nazis. Whole villages were destroyed by fire bombing; bodies were thrown into mass graves. "
That division was comprised solely of Ukrainians. [Post edited 13 Nov 2022 19:02]
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| Novotel injunction rejected on 19:26 - Nov 13 with 2250 views | XYZ |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 18:32 - Nov 13 by HARRY10 |
I'm sure if you put forward an argument that had a vague familiarity with reality you might not get posters ridiculing you.
Nothing you have put forward suggests however your whining is any more than the same racism as Fartrage. He gets paid for his shy te, what is your excuse ?
You are being personally affected ?
I venture that you and millions of others (me included) will be affected though, by the massive hike in mortgage costs. Caused by an attempt to push through brexit thinking. 'Thinking' that had the Mail and that self same shyster (Fartrage) acclaiming it as being a brilliant budget. No wonder they now need something as a distraction.
I don't remember either your sort whining about the huge number of Ukrainian refugees flooding into the UK recently. Perhaps their skin colour was different.
There did not appear to be the same complaint either when over 8,000 form SS soldiers 'flooded' into the country after WW2. They were white as well. They were also responsible for any number of atrocities, fired up in part by the same poisonous rhetoric Fartrage is once again spewing out.
Why some fall for such hateful nonsense is another story. Wiser heads recognise that it is often a lot more complicated than the Daily Mails 'simple answers for simple folk' guff.
Just as the talk of untermenchen is now replaced with rants about 'illegals', righties delude themselves they would not be so easily fooled as folk were in the 1930s. They are, every time.
As a point of information those SS soldiers were the 14th Galicien Division
"The Galicien SS Division involved in horrendous war crimes in Ukraine and Slovakia. He provides eyewitness accounts and documentation of the murder by shooting, fire-bombing, hanging, mutilation and appalling torture of anyone who stood out in resistance to the Nazis. Whole villages were destroyed by fire bombing; bodies were thrown into mass graves. "
That division was comprised solely of Ukrainians. [Post edited 13 Nov 2022 19:02]
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Unfunnily enough he did comment on Ukrainian refugees ... I believe Phil had to delete it for being in extreme bad taste. | | | |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 21:55 - Nov 13 with 2134 views | mrshallisfit |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 17:41 - Nov 12 by noggin |
Ah ok, I thought he meant the asylum seekers, of which 80% are deemed to be genuine. 'Swarming in' is a little over dramatic, don't you think? |
I was taking the p##s out of the poster. | | | |
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| Novotel injunction rejected on 21:57 - Nov 13 with 2132 views | mrshallisfit |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 18:24 - Nov 12 by witchdoctor |
quick google search indicates…..
to place asylum seekers into hotels, at an estimated cost of nearly £4,300 per asylum seeker per month.
bargain ‘eh? |
God we do have a load of steak and chips dumbf##ks as fans don't we. [Post edited 13 Nov 2022 21:58]
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| Novotel injunction rejected on 22:30 - Nov 13 with 2105 views | BlueBadger |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 00:55 - Nov 13 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Thanks for the input Captain Binary. |
Bluebudgie agrees with you, homes. |  |
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| Novotel injunction rejected on 08:54 - Nov 14 with 1959 views | itfcjoe |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 17:42 - Nov 13 by blueasfook |
Why do you think the asylum process takes so long? Many come from countries where record keeping is poor. Their identities have to be verified, stories corroborated etc. Many purposesly ditch their ID documents to make the process even more complicated. It's not some government ruse to burden taxpayers or for propaganda. I am sure if you looked at asylum cases across the EU you would see similar time taken to process individual cases.
No point arguing with the Tooting Popular Front on here though. You see it how it you want to see it! Keep upvoting each other's nonsense. |
Germany clears 90% of it's asylum seekers within 6 months, and allows them to work after they have been in the country for 3 months whilst the claim is ongoing - if they don't pass they get sent back.
You've just noted how we are now spending £2bn a year just putting them in hotels etc - wouldn't that money be better spent processing them quicker and getting them working quicker or sent back quicker.
There has to be a will to make it work quicker - but there isn't here. This Govt is out of ideas so just slows the process down so that it appears a bigger problem that they can then rail against whilst spunking our money away. There were reports a couple of weeks back that Braverman was deliberately slowing down hotel bookings so that the conditions worsened - Grant Shapps came in and sorted it within a week.........then what happens? Braverman re-appointed
We are making a political choice to slow this down as fast as we can so there is a common enemy for the Tories to point at rather than people realise they are totally and willfully incompetent - we were hostile to France, what do you think they then do with those on the border? |  |
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| Novotel injunction rejected on 09:05 - Nov 14 with 1928 views | noggin |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 08:54 - Nov 14 by itfcjoe |
Germany clears 90% of it's asylum seekers within 6 months, and allows them to work after they have been in the country for 3 months whilst the claim is ongoing - if they don't pass they get sent back.
You've just noted how we are now spending £2bn a year just putting them in hotels etc - wouldn't that money be better spent processing them quicker and getting them working quicker or sent back quicker.
There has to be a will to make it work quicker - but there isn't here. This Govt is out of ideas so just slows the process down so that it appears a bigger problem that they can then rail against whilst spunking our money away. There were reports a couple of weeks back that Braverman was deliberately slowing down hotel bookings so that the conditions worsened - Grant Shapps came in and sorted it within a week.........then what happens? Braverman re-appointed
We are making a political choice to slow this down as fast as we can so there is a common enemy for the Tories to point at rather than people realise they are totally and willfully incompetent - we were hostile to France, what do you think they then do with those on the border? |
Yeah but the brown man smoking a joint though. |  |
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| Novotel injunction rejected on 09:20 - Nov 14 with 1908 views | BlueRaider |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 20:52 - Nov 11 by factual_blue |
Look at it from the Civil Servants' point of view.
Would you bust a gut to make Sue-Ellen braveman look good? |
It's their job to implement the policy of the elected government whether they like it or not. The civil service are supposed to be apolitical | |
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| Novotel injunction rejected on 09:31 - Nov 14 with 1900 views | itfcjoe |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 09:05 - Nov 14 by noggin |
Yeah but the brown man smoking a joint though. |
I don't care about what people do in their hotel rooms, but agree with comments from likes of Texters on here that big groups of men hanging round town centres with nothing to do is a recipe for disaster - and because they don't speak English it makes it more intimidating for women walking around the town centre | |
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| Novotel injunction rejected on 09:40 - Nov 14 with 1888 views | noggin |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 09:31 - Nov 14 by itfcjoe |
I don't care about what people do in their hotel rooms, but agree with comments from likes of Texters on here that big groups of men hanging round town centres with nothing to do is a recipe for disaster - and because they don't speak English it makes it more intimidating for women walking around the town centre |
Absolutely, but if they're not allowed to work and they are put in large urban areas, what are they supposed to do? It's not like they have the money to do much else but gather together. | |
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| Novotel injunction rejected on 09:58 - Nov 14 with 1871 views | witchdoctor |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 21:57 - Nov 13 by mrshallisfit |
God we do have a load of steak and chips dumbf##ks as fans don't we. [Post edited 13 Nov 2022 21:58]
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awwww…don’t be to hard on yourself…😅 |  | | |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 10:26 - Nov 14 with 1834 views | DinDjarin |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 22:31 - Nov 11 by ghostofescobar |
Absolutely correct. There will be a minority who are horrible scum, and I would prefer don’t live in this country. But I feel the same when I see the minority of white England football “fans” who are also horrible scum. Every race, walk of life, colour, sexuality, blah blah has that minority. |
Are there not any non white football hooligans? |  | | |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 10:36 - Nov 14 with 1820 views | itfcjoe |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 09:40 - Nov 14 by noggin |
Absolutely, but if they're not allowed to work and they are put in large urban areas, what are they supposed to do? It's not like they have the money to do much else but gather together. |
I'm not blaming them for doing it, but more the side effect of them being put in the town centre opposed to somewhere more rural like the Copdock | |
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| Novotel injunction rejected on 10:45 - Nov 14 with 1811 views | DinDjarin |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 21:47 - Nov 12 by Nthsuffolkblue |
What is your definition of an economic migrant? What is it that they are expecting? Why are they expecting it? Are you suggesting that their presence is causing British people to struggle? Please do explain your logic there.
When you say "enough is enough" are you alluding to the radicalisation that leads to petrol bombing an asylum centre? Or are you suggesting that the Government should be processing claims faster? Or are you suggesting sinking the boats so that the immigrants will drown? What does "enough is enough" mean?
And, have you had enough of this Government's spending cuts to enable the rich to take a much greater share or is that all OK? |
Struggling does not just mean financially. Getting a doctors appointment, school classroom sizes touching 40 in my youngests school, trying to get council / social housing plus plenty more. Thats the struggle.
Bottom line for me is just walking around Ipswich you can see how many homeless we have but they dont get £4300 a month. Times that by the rest of the country and its a disgrace how many live on the streets in a 1st world country. [Post edited 14 Nov 2022 10:48]
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| Novotel injunction rejected on 10:59 - Nov 14 with 1784 views | itfcjoe |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 10:45 - Nov 14 by DinDjarin |
Struggling does not just mean financially. Getting a doctors appointment, school classroom sizes touching 40 in my youngests school, trying to get council / social housing plus plenty more. Thats the struggle.
Bottom line for me is just walking around Ipswich you can see how many homeless we have but they dont get £4300 a month. Times that by the rest of the country and its a disgrace how many live on the streets in a 1st world country. [Post edited 14 Nov 2022 10:48]
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But the asylum seekers don't get £4,300 a month 90% of that will go to middle men and private companies like Capita and Serco for administering this.
It's just a gross waste of money which will be making plenty of people in the process rich of the back of it | |
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| Novotel injunction rejected on 11:05 - Nov 14 with 1766 views | DinDjarin |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 10:59 - Nov 14 by itfcjoe |
But the asylum seekers don't get £4,300 a month 90% of that will go to middle men and private companies like Capita and Serco for administering this.
It's just a gross waste of money which will be making plenty of people in the process rich of the back of it |
No I get that but if we can afford one we should be able to afford the other not expect charities to do most of the helping? [Post edited 14 Nov 2022 11:06]
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| Novotel injunction rejected on 11:08 - Nov 14 with 1760 views | StokieBlue |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 11:05 - Nov 14 by DinDjarin |
No I get that but if we can afford one we should be able to afford the other not expect charities to do most of the helping? [Post edited 14 Nov 2022 11:06]
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Definitely.
Speak to the Tories about it.
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| Novotel injunction rejected on 11:12 - Nov 14 with 1754 views | itfcjoe |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 11:05 - Nov 14 by DinDjarin |
No I get that but if we can afford one we should be able to afford the other not expect charities to do most of the helping? [Post edited 14 Nov 2022 11:06]
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Without a doubt, we solved homelessness in a week when Covid hit as got everyone of the streets - but there's no political will to do it under this Govt | |
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| Novotel injunction rejected on 11:22 - Nov 14 with 1726 views | HARRY10 |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 10:45 - Nov 14 by DinDjarin |
Struggling does not just mean financially. Getting a doctors appointment, school classroom sizes touching 40 in my youngests school, trying to get council / social housing plus plenty more. Thats the struggle.
Bottom line for me is just walking around Ipswich you can see how many homeless we have but they dont get £4300 a month. Times that by the rest of the country and its a disgrace how many live on the streets in a 1st world country. [Post edited 14 Nov 2022 10:48]
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Far from me to defend this scabby government but a huge number of those on the streets are there through choice. having a friend who is an outreach worker, incredibly well meaning, she told me that there is accommodation for anyone...albeit hostels.
There are many varied reasons why some decide to not accept what is available - but is is there.
Of course there has been a massive failure in social housing. Something that stems from a mindset of the profit motive is the only motivation. Which has seen constant failure with trains, energy, water.
Certain stuff needs to be done for the benefit, and efficiency, of society. Sadly we have a populace who have little grasp of the implications of this other than when it directly impacts upon them.
The irony here being UK utilities which are now owned by naughty EU state owned companies are leeching out the profits to subsidise their own companies.
The legacy of Thatcher still clings to the country like a gangrenous foot. | | | |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 11:56 - Nov 14 with 1690 views | monytowbray |
| Novotel injunction rejected on 11:22 - Nov 14 by HARRY10 |
Far from me to defend this scabby government but a huge number of those on the streets are there through choice. having a friend who is an outreach worker, incredibly well meaning, she told me that there is accommodation for anyone...albeit hostels.
There are many varied reasons why some decide to not accept what is available - but is is there.
Of course there has been a massive failure in social housing. Something that stems from a mindset of the profit motive is the only motivation. Which has seen constant failure with trains, energy, water.
Certain stuff needs to be done for the benefit, and efficiency, of society. Sadly we have a populace who have little grasp of the implications of this other than when it directly impacts upon them.
The irony here being UK utilities which are now owned by naughty EU state owned companies are leeching out the profits to subsidise their own companies.
The legacy of Thatcher still clings to the country like a gangrenous foot. |
Surely a part of that, and I can completely see why, is throwing a lot of vulnerable, hungry, poor, addicted or mentally unwell people in a shared space? I can't imagine a homeless hostel is the easiest environment to navigate socially. I've had a few homeless folks say stuff along those lines to me.
I would therefore say it's not as simple as saying people are on the streets "by choice" without elaborating on why, considering such lazy tropes can easily become a way to dehumanise homeless folk more.
If you had an option of drowning or burning to death you'd probably have a reason for which you choose, but neither are your actual "choice". I'm sure the actual answer is people having their own space to live. | |
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