| Next England Manager 21:10 - Nov 25 with 6013 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
Who do we want? Who can we get? |  |
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| Next England Manager on 23:18 - Nov 25 with 1654 views | pointofblue |
| Next England Manager on 22:45 - Nov 25 by XYZ |
Funny isn't it?
England's most successful manager since SAR gets to the knock-outs yet again and all the idiots self-identify.
Getting deep into tournaments is not always jolly entertaining. |
Some remember the utterly abysmal Nations League which preceded this tournament. One good match in eight doesn't exactly buy time. |  |
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| Next England Manager on 23:20 - Nov 25 with 1650 views | Superblue95 |
| Next England Manager on 23:17 - Nov 25 by tractordownsouth |
Imagine Bielsa-style pressing in the middle of June after the squad had already played 50 games in the season. We’d finish every game with 8 men due to injuries. |
It would be fun though |  |
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| Next England Manager on 23:22 - Nov 25 with 1642 views | XYZ |
| Next England Manager on 23:18 - Nov 25 by pointofblue |
Some remember the utterly abysmal Nations League which preceded this tournament. One good match in eight doesn't exactly buy time. |
Nations League = Pizza cup
World Cup = League 1
Change your pants. | | | |
| Next England Manager on 00:19 - Nov 26 with 1587 views | Seablu |
| Next England Manager on 21:57 - Nov 25 by tractordownsouth |
Because some people think that overperforming to reach semis and finals isn’t good enough. Unironically, when asked to suggest an alternative manager a lot of the same people say Mauricio Pochettino, who lost countless semis and finals at Spurs. |
How exactly did we ‘over perform’?
We only beat teams ranked below us due to a kind draw and have lost to Italy, Belgium and Croatia.
The best result was against the worst German team in a generation that has now lost twice to Japan in the last four years and we beat the 5th best South American team on penalties.
Just because he wears a nice waistcoat and seems like a truly decent human being doesn’t make him a great manager. |  | | |
| Next England Manager on 00:32 - Nov 26 with 1578 views | Enigma_Blue |
McKenna after he has landed us the Premier League title and the Champions League. | | | |
| Next England Manager on 01:51 - Nov 26 with 1544 views | Illinoisblue |
| Next England Manager on 21:42 - Nov 25 by tractordownsouth |
Yeah let’s get rid of the 2nd best manager we’ve ever had because of 1 bad performance. |
You play that passively against a team that just failed to beat Wales, you have to expect some stick. |  |
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| Next England Manager on 03:08 - Nov 26 with 1518 views | Mercian |
| Next England Manager on 21:22 - Nov 25 by Seablu |
Sarina Wiegman.
Steven feckin Gerrard. [Post edited 25 Nov 2022 21:24]
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I think Wiegman would do well. Good call. |  | | |
| Next England Manager on 03:18 - Nov 26 with 1516 views | Mercian |
| Next England Manager on 21:25 - Nov 25 by LeoMuff |
Howe or Potter |
Howe is the only English manager I would be pleased with. Potter has been pretty pants at Chelsea and he has top class young talents like Havertz, Mount and Pulisic to work with the very good senior players there. Respect to Newcastle but there player pool is not up to the same standard. Howe has players like Wilson, Almiron, Joelinton and Sean Longstaff playing their socks off. The Brazilian lad is class as is Isak when on form. Trippier is still top class though. A great signing. Apart from that they are on paper very mid table. | | | |
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| Next England Manager on 07:47 - Nov 26 with 1440 views | LeoMuff |
| Next England Manager on 03:18 - Nov 26 by Mercian |
Howe is the only English manager I would be pleased with. Potter has been pretty pants at Chelsea and he has top class young talents like Havertz, Mount and Pulisic to work with the very good senior players there. Respect to Newcastle but there player pool is not up to the same standard. Howe has players like Wilson, Almiron, Joelinton and Sean Longstaff playing their socks off. The Brazilian lad is class as is Isak when on form. Trippier is still top class though. A great signing. Apart from that they are on paper very mid table. |
Yep would be my first choice |  |
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| Next England Manager on 08:10 - Nov 26 with 1425 views | tractordownsouth |
| Next England Manager on 00:19 - Nov 26 by Seablu |
How exactly did we ‘over perform’?
We only beat teams ranked below us due to a kind draw and have lost to Italy, Belgium and Croatia.
The best result was against the worst German team in a generation that has now lost twice to Japan in the last four years and we beat the 5th best South American team on penalties.
Just because he wears a nice waistcoat and seems like a truly decent human being doesn’t make him a great manager. |
In 2018 we benefitted from a lucky draw but I don’t buy the argument that we were a
much better side than Croatia or Colombia. In the previous tournament we’d played Russia, Slovakia, Wales and Iceland and won once - we started a World Cup semi final with Ashley Young and Jesse Lingard. In 2021, we were about par if you take each game individually. We were weaker on paper than the German side we beat but should’ve beaten Italy. However, going into those tournaments we definitely didn’t have the 4th best squad in 2018 or 2nd best in 2021.
Granted, Southgate has had a couple of poor results against Scotland in the Euros and the US last night, but he’s proven before that he can follow it up with good knockout performances, when the likes of Hodgson and Capello would fall to an embarrassing defeat. And if he doesn’t this time, we’ll re-assess but no need to panic now - the last 4 World Cup winners have all dropped points in the group stage. Italy even drew with the USA!
And as for the style of football others have mentioned, yes it’s sometimes boring but who were the last team to win a tournament playing attractive football? Portugal won 1 match in 90 mins in Euro 2016 and France won the last tournament playing a defensive midfielder on the wing. Even the Spanish golden generation of 2010 won every knockout match 1-0 after losing to Switzerland in the group stage. And these were all sides with better defences that didn’t need protecting as much as ours does.
Just think it’s a huge overreaction to one bad result. |  |
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| Next England Manager on 08:30 - Nov 26 with 1408 views | LeoMuff |
| Next England Manager on 08:10 - Nov 26 by tractordownsouth |
In 2018 we benefitted from a lucky draw but I don’t buy the argument that we were a
much better side than Croatia or Colombia. In the previous tournament we’d played Russia, Slovakia, Wales and Iceland and won once - we started a World Cup semi final with Ashley Young and Jesse Lingard. In 2021, we were about par if you take each game individually. We were weaker on paper than the German side we beat but should’ve beaten Italy. However, going into those tournaments we definitely didn’t have the 4th best squad in 2018 or 2nd best in 2021.
Granted, Southgate has had a couple of poor results against Scotland in the Euros and the US last night, but he’s proven before that he can follow it up with good knockout performances, when the likes of Hodgson and Capello would fall to an embarrassing defeat. And if he doesn’t this time, we’ll re-assess but no need to panic now - the last 4 World Cup winners have all dropped points in the group stage. Italy even drew with the USA!
And as for the style of football others have mentioned, yes it’s sometimes boring but who were the last team to win a tournament playing attractive football? Portugal won 1 match in 90 mins in Euro 2016 and France won the last tournament playing a defensive midfielder on the wing. Even the Spanish golden generation of 2010 won every knockout match 1-0 after losing to Switzerland in the group stage. And these were all sides with better defences that didn’t need protecting as much as ours does.
Just think it’s a huge overreaction to one bad result. |
I think the worry is we clearly were struggling from early on with the USA formation, yet nothing changed.
A better manager would have tweaked that formation or made a sub way earlier, I’m not convinced Southgate is atop manager just that he has inherited a great crop of players. | |
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| Next England Manager on 08:44 - Nov 26 with 1400 views | tractordownsouth |
| Next England Manager on 08:30 - Nov 26 by LeoMuff |
I think the worry is we clearly were struggling from early on with the USA formation, yet nothing changed.
A better manager would have tweaked that formation or made a sub way earlier, I’m not convinced Southgate is atop manager just that he has inherited a great crop of players. |
He’s a good manager, not a top one. I agree in game substitutions are his weak spot but I still don’t get the clamouring for Foden. He’s been poor for England whenever he’s played, especially against Iran. 18 months ago people were shouting for Foden to be taken off and replaced by Grealish!
When Maddison’s fit he’d be my pick in that position. | |
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| Next England Manager on 08:54 - Nov 26 with 1378 views | LeoMuff |
| Next England Manager on 08:44 - Nov 26 by tractordownsouth |
He’s a good manager, not a top one. I agree in game substitutions are his weak spot but I still don’t get the clamouring for Foden. He’s been poor for England whenever he’s played, especially against Iran. 18 months ago people were shouting for Foden to be taken off and replaced by Grealish!
When Maddison’s fit he’d be my pick in that position. |
151 club games managed and 29% win rate suggests he may not even be a good manager, and that’s the worry as this is a great crop of players, capable of winning a big trophy.
He is a very good man manager though and has generated great spirit. | |
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| Next England Manager on 09:07 - Nov 26 with 1369 views | tractordownsouth |
| Next England Manager on 08:54 - Nov 26 by LeoMuff |
151 club games managed and 29% win rate suggests he may not even be a good manager, and that’s the worry as this is a great crop of players, capable of winning a big trophy.
He is a very good man manager though and has generated great spirit. |
I wouldn't trust him at club level, but international management is a different game altogether. Man-management is a much bigger component, given the lack of time available for coaching.
I don't think this is as great a crop of players as people make it out to be. We're capable of beating anybody on our day but France and Brazil have better squads than we do, and the likes of Spain, Germany, Argentina and the Netherlands are on the same level, on paper at least. | |
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| Next England Manager on 09:50 - Nov 26 with 1339 views | Vic |
| Next England Manager on 08:54 - Nov 26 by LeoMuff |
151 club games managed and 29% win rate suggests he may not even be a good manager, and that’s the worry as this is a great crop of players, capable of winning a big trophy.
He is a very good man manager though and has generated great spirit. |
Can’t agree that this crop of players is better than what the last 5 managers have had. |  |
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| Next England Manager on 09:57 - Nov 26 with 1333 views | JDB23 |
| Next England Manager on 00:19 - Nov 26 by Seablu |
How exactly did we ‘over perform’?
We only beat teams ranked below us due to a kind draw and have lost to Italy, Belgium and Croatia.
The best result was against the worst German team in a generation that has now lost twice to Japan in the last four years and we beat the 5th best South American team on penalties.
Just because he wears a nice waistcoat and seems like a truly decent human being doesn’t make him a great manager. |
Not to mention playing at home in the Euros which was a huge advantage when most other teams were flying all over the place.
I like Southgate, he’s done a good job but he has a ceiling and I think a change after this tournament wouldn’t be a bad thing. The problem is as mentioned, there’s not a great pool of other options. | | | |
| Next England Manager on 10:06 - Nov 26 with 1331 views | Seablu |
| Next England Manager on 08:10 - Nov 26 by tractordownsouth |
In 2018 we benefitted from a lucky draw but I don’t buy the argument that we were a
much better side than Croatia or Colombia. In the previous tournament we’d played Russia, Slovakia, Wales and Iceland and won once - we started a World Cup semi final with Ashley Young and Jesse Lingard. In 2021, we were about par if you take each game individually. We were weaker on paper than the German side we beat but should’ve beaten Italy. However, going into those tournaments we definitely didn’t have the 4th best squad in 2018 or 2nd best in 2021.
Granted, Southgate has had a couple of poor results against Scotland in the Euros and the US last night, but he’s proven before that he can follow it up with good knockout performances, when the likes of Hodgson and Capello would fall to an embarrassing defeat. And if he doesn’t this time, we’ll re-assess but no need to panic now - the last 4 World Cup winners have all dropped points in the group stage. Italy even drew with the USA!
And as for the style of football others have mentioned, yes it’s sometimes boring but who were the last team to win a tournament playing attractive football? Portugal won 1 match in 90 mins in Euro 2016 and France won the last tournament playing a defensive midfielder on the wing. Even the Spanish golden generation of 2010 won every knockout match 1-0 after losing to Switzerland in the group stage. And these were all sides with better defences that didn’t need protecting as much as ours does.
Just think it’s a huge overreaction to one bad result. |
Whether we had the second or fourth best squad is totally irrelevant in a cup competition.
You’d have a point if it was a league competition where we’d played every other team.
Fact is we didn’t beat any team ranked above us in the last World Cup or Euros, so we certainly didn’t overachieve.
Crystal Palace made the semis of the FA Cup last season by beating teams below them, then lost to the first team above them in the league. That wasn’t overachievement, merely luck of the draw. [Post edited 26 Nov 2022 12:21]
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| Next England Manager on 10:18 - Nov 26 with 1311 views | SamWhiteUK |
| Next England Manager on 22:45 - Nov 25 by XYZ |
Funny isn't it?
England's most successful manager since SAR gets to the knock-outs yet again and all the idiots self-identify.
Getting deep into tournaments is not always jolly entertaining. |
Alternatively, we just sit through one of the biggest bore-fests ever served up by England at a WC, against a team that, respectfully, we should be brushing aside, and all the Mick McCarthy sympathisers identify themselves. |  | | |
| Potter and Howe are…. on 10:38 - Nov 26 with 1286 views | Bloots |
….the obvious candidates but they are probably both unlikely to leave their current roles for the England job.
I suspect the FA will go for someone with a lower profile anyway.
My money would be on Steve Cooper.
But I guess it all depends on when Southgate leaves. |  |
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| Next England Manager on 10:48 - Nov 26 with 1256 views | LeoMuff |
| Next England Manager on 09:50 - Nov 26 by Vic |
Can’t agree that this crop of players is better than what the last 5 managers have had. |
They are clearly better than the squads Hodgson and Capello and Keegan had, then it’s debatable with Erkisson, Venables, Hoddle personally I think overall they are potentially better than all, in the past many of the names were hugely overrated. | |
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| Potter and Howe are…. on 11:19 - Nov 26 with 1233 views | davblue |
| Potter and Howe are…. on 10:38 - Nov 26 by Bloots |
….the obvious candidates but they are probably both unlikely to leave their current roles for the England job.
I suspect the FA will go for someone with a lower profile anyway.
My money would be on Steve Cooper.
But I guess it all depends on when Southgate leaves. |
I wouldn’t rule out Brendan Rodgers. |  | | |
| Next England Manager on 11:23 - Nov 26 with 1225 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Next England Manager on 21:23 - Nov 25 by Churchman |
Howe would be the obvious choice, but I’ve no doubt the blazers will go for a failed ‘name’ like Gerrard or Lampard. |
As a reminder. Southgate is a 'failed' club manager.
Yet he still managed to get us to a semi final of a world cup and a final of a Euros in two successive tournaments. |  |
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| Next England Manager on 11:23 - Nov 26 with 1226 views | pointofblue |
| Next England Manager on 23:22 - Nov 25 by XYZ |
Nations League = Pizza cup
World Cup = League 1
Change your pants. |
Whilst the Nations League isn’t deemed overly important, it’s not like the Pizza Cup where Town made wholesale changes. England tended to field their strongest line up and looked dreadful during it. | |
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| Next England Manager on 14:57 - Nov 26 with 1159 views | ElephantintheRoom |
That USA manager seems able to motivate average players. Mind you even though England made the USA look good, Wales made them look awful. So maybe the Wales manager. And Saudi Arabia’s manger had a good game too. So maybe him. Or the Japan manager. | |
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| Next England Manager on 16:00 - Nov 26 with 1140 views | tractordownsouth |
| Next England Manager on 14:57 - Nov 26 by ElephantintheRoom |
That USA manager seems able to motivate average players. Mind you even though England made the USA look good, Wales made them look awful. So maybe the Wales manager. And Saudi Arabia’s manger had a good game too. So maybe him. Or the Japan manager. |
The US fans hate Berhalter even more than some of ours hate Southgate, and for the same reasons. | |
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