| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 15:17 - Dec 7 with 2214 views | chicoazul |
| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 15:16 - Dec 7 by SpruceMoose |
"once-great society."
Could you clarify the time period in which you feel this took place please?
Fanks! |
Since I’m not talking to you and don’t like you anyway; no. |  |
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| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 15:20 - Dec 7 with 2210 views | SpruceMoose |
| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 15:17 - Dec 7 by chicoazul |
Since I’m not talking to you and don’t like you anyway; no. |
I'm sorry. I didn't realise that was the case as I wasn't listed in your rather lengthy signature.
I'll just go ahead and assume you're blustering rather than giving an actual answer. You carry on mate, you carry on. |  |
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| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 15:30 - Dec 7 with 2176 views | Guthrum |
| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 15:11 - Dec 7 by chicoazul |
Sorry I’m unclear on this. The only option for your schooling was private? So in other words there was no state option for you *at all*? Not one he didn’t approve of; at all.
I’m not conflating anything with anything. It’s a fact that all our most recent disasters as Prime Minister for instance have been privately educated. Framlingham or Westminster and everything else in between, it’s always the same. The products of these schools go on to be the main wreckers of our once-great society. And get so touchy when this simple fact is pointed out to them. |
The options were a state school my father considered not to be very good, or going private. As an educator, he wanted me to have the best education possible.
And the Prime Ministers who built this society were not also privately educated (e.g. Attlee)?
The common factor in the 'wreckers' is that they were ideological fanatics or self-centered loons. Was that purely down to their education? Thatcher and Truss went to state school. May did all bar a couple of years. |  |
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| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 15:33 - Dec 7 with 2171 views | itfcjoe |
| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 13:23 - Dec 7 by Guthrum |
In what way interesting? I wasn't able to go to the school he taught at (which was and is good), due to the rules at the time. The only other option available was private. I don't recall furiously entitled sociopathy being on the curriculum. Bit of extra self-confidence and social presentation, perhaps. And some Classics.
It was also the era of "child-led learning", during which pupils were left to motivate themselves, which often didn't result in much learning at all. My father didn't believe it worked.
In any case, you're conflating the products of places like Eton with the wider public/private school sector.
Edit: Most of them probably gained their sense of entitlement at home, as much as school. Most of my contemporaries were the sons of farmers and middle-class professionals. [Post edited 7 Dec 2022 13:31]
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Heard a good point re Sunak when he was criticising Starmer for the private school attack and saying "you are coming after my parents for being aspirational and the British people"
At Winchester the fees are £45k a year, no aspirational parents can find that.
I went to private school in the 90s/00s, I had a scholarship and an assisted place, but the fees were around £6k a year, plenty of my friends parents could easily afford it, but plenty including mine made massive sacrifices to afford that - my Dad working 6-7 days a week, my Mum working 3 nights a week at Sainsburys to then come in and have to drive me across town to school. Plenty of teachers, self employed businessmen etc.
The difference between the majority of private schools and the ones that supply the boys who run the country (Eton, Harrow, Winchester, Charterhouse, St Pauls, Rugby, Shrewsbury, Westminster) is far more vast than the gap between state schools and the majority of private schools |  |
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| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 15:38 - Dec 7 with 2159 views | chicoazul |
| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 15:30 - Dec 7 by Guthrum |
The options were a state school my father considered not to be very good, or going private. As an educator, he wanted me to have the best education possible.
And the Prime Ministers who built this society were not also privately educated (e.g. Attlee)?
The common factor in the 'wreckers' is that they were ideological fanatics or self-centered loons. Was that purely down to their education? Thatcher and Truss went to state school. May did all bar a couple of years. |
So it wasn’t the only option was it. He just didn’t think it was very good, and not as good as private. Which for someone working in the state sector smacks of hypocrisy. Don’t get me wrong I’m all for hypocrisy, you can be a hypocrite and still be right and I’m sure he was.
I’m talking specifically about Blair “Boris” Cameron (the worst PM in living history) and Asquith, although to be fair to the latter things were a bit different back then. Truss is an excellent example of people saying on the one hand comprehensive education is brilliant and on the other hand complaining about everyone being thick. May from memory went to a very exclusive school in London which is nominally open to all but in reality only open to those wealthy enough to live in the area. | |
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| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 17:49 - Dec 7 with 2078 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 15:20 - Dec 7 by SpruceMoose |
I'm sorry. I didn't realise that was the case as I wasn't listed in your rather lengthy signature.
I'll just go ahead and assume you're blustering rather than giving an actual answer. You carry on mate, you carry on. |
Chickers can't handle anyone pulling him up on his dumbass views. He'll be posting to no-one but himself eventually. |  |
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| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 21:28 - Dec 7 with 2011 views | GlasgowBlue |
| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 13:05 - Dec 7 by Guthrum |
Nobody's been paying my bills. Or cleaning my latrines. Where do I apply for these services?
Instead my father, a state school teacher, spent all his money on ensuring we got the best education possible (in an era of strict catchment areas when you had no choice which state school your children went to). |
It was certainly money well spent Guthers. Your posts are always interesting, well written and educational. |  |
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| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 22:14 - Dec 7 with 1983 views | Vic |
| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 10:30 - Dec 7 by chicoazul |
Public schoolboys have and continue to be the ruin of this country for the last 120 years. They are in general, born to rule elite class rseholes who are utterly clueless about the real world. They are charming psychopaths who have sent everyone else to fight their wars clean their latrines and pay their bill for many many years. They must be kept away from political or public power/life at all costs and when my revolution comes this will be the first law above all others. I don’t want to close the schools I want to kneecap them. |
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| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 22:40 - Dec 7 with 1964 views | BlueBadger |
| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 15:16 - Dec 7 by SpruceMoose |
"once-great society."
Could you clarify the time period in which you feel this took place please?
Fanks! |
Chico taking on Guffers is the archetypal 'one legged man entering into an arse kicking contest with a centipede' innit. |  |
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| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 00:01 - Dec 8 with 1938 views | BlueBadger |
| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 17:49 - Dec 7 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Chickers can't handle anyone pulling him up on his dumbass views. He'll be posting to no-one but himself eventually. |
He's on about 2 minutes to midnight. He'll go Full Blubfish in the next few weeks, give it out to to Phil and get banned, mark my words. | |
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| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 00:25 - Dec 8 with 1933 views | SpruceMoose |
| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 17:49 - Dec 7 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Chickers can't handle anyone pulling him up on his dumbass views. He'll be posting to no-one but himself eventually. |
He will always have Bloots, judging by the upvote | |
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| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 00:52 - Dec 8 with 1919 views | Vegtablue |
| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 15:38 - Dec 7 by chicoazul |
So it wasn’t the only option was it. He just didn’t think it was very good, and not as good as private. Which for someone working in the state sector smacks of hypocrisy. Don’t get me wrong I’m all for hypocrisy, you can be a hypocrite and still be right and I’m sure he was.
I’m talking specifically about Blair “Boris” Cameron (the worst PM in living history) and Asquith, although to be fair to the latter things were a bit different back then. Truss is an excellent example of people saying on the one hand comprehensive education is brilliant and on the other hand complaining about everyone being thick. May from memory went to a very exclusive school in London which is nominally open to all but in reality only open to those wealthy enough to live in the area. |
Without wading into the deep end, you have lost hold of the meaning of hypocrisy their Chico. Where is the hypocrisy, given what you know about Guthrum's father? Where is the sanctimonious display? What views has he espoused by becoming a teacher at a state school? How does one coherently run counter to the other without inventing the convictions of a person you do not know? |  | | |
| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 09:30 - Dec 8 with 1850 views | chicoazul |
| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 00:52 - Dec 8 by Vegtablue |
Without wading into the deep end, you have lost hold of the meaning of hypocrisy their Chico. Where is the hypocrisy, given what you know about Guthrum's father? Where is the sanctimonious display? What views has he espoused by becoming a teacher at a state school? How does one coherently run counter to the other without inventing the convictions of a person you do not know? |
I only know what Guthrum told us all. Rather than have his child be educated in the state school system which he was part of, he decided to send him private instead because it was “better”. I don’t want to traduce his fathers memory but I’m afraid this seems very hypocritical to me and what’s more, typical of the attitude of mid to late 20th century educational professionals (and many of our political/professional class these days too). Good enough for your kids not good enough for mine. | |
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| Hi Sprucers, how you doing mate? (n/t) on 10:13 - Dec 8 with 1825 views | Bloots |
| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 00:25 - Dec 8 by SpruceMoose |
He will always have Bloots, judging by the upvote |
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| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 10:26 - Dec 8 with 1810 views | giant_stow |
| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 09:30 - Dec 8 by chicoazul |
I only know what Guthrum told us all. Rather than have his child be educated in the state school system which he was part of, he decided to send him private instead because it was “better”. I don’t want to traduce his fathers memory but I’m afraid this seems very hypocritical to me and what’s more, typical of the attitude of mid to late 20th century educational professionals (and many of our political/professional class these days too). Good enough for your kids not good enough for mine. |
Bar the personal stuff about Guthers' dad's decisions, I'm really quite surprised about the going over you're getting for your views on private schooling.
Personally, I'm torn on it - I like the thought of freedom of choice, but also feel that while private schools exist, state schools will always be negatively affected by that existence. Private schools certainly shouldn't be charities - bare min.
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| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 10:47 - Dec 8 with 1776 views | Ryorry |
| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 15:17 - Dec 7 by chicoazul |
Since I’m not talking to you and don’t like you anyway; no. |
That makes you sound like you went to a public school. |  |
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| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 10:55 - Dec 8 with 1767 views | Ryorry |
They should pay you for your PR - the first photo you linked is far better in showing what should be one of its major selling points (the location) than anything on their website - even got me looking at the price of a room for NYE! [Post edited 8 Dec 2022 10:55]
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| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 11:19 - Dec 8 with 1737 views | leitrimblue |
| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 09:30 - Dec 8 by chicoazul |
I only know what Guthrum told us all. Rather than have his child be educated in the state school system which he was part of, he decided to send him private instead because it was “better”. I don’t want to traduce his fathers memory but I’m afraid this seems very hypocritical to me and what’s more, typical of the attitude of mid to late 20th century educational professionals (and many of our political/professional class these days too). Good enough for your kids not good enough for mine. |
Morning Chico, I completely agree that the private elite school system should be abolished. I find the idea that the elite can spend £40-50,000 a year on a superior education for their kids while state schools suffer from chronic underfunding semi medieval.
Though at the same time I completely understand why parents from middle class and even working class families would make financial sacrifices to put their children into private schools. Under the current system this is the only way to give their kids a fighting chance in a otherwise unfair system.
I say abolish private schools and see how the children of the elite survive in the state school system.
At the very least the ending of the old boys network should see a lot less private school boys in positions way above their competence and skill set. |  | | |
| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 11:22 - Dec 8 with 1734 views | leitrimblue |
| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 15:16 - Dec 7 by SpruceMoose |
"once-great society."
Could you clarify the time period in which you feel this took place please?
Fanks! |
I'm gonna go for late mesolithic- early neolithic. Prior to the emergence of elite groups in the late neolithic-early bronze age | | | |
| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 11:23 - Dec 8 with 1731 views | leitrimblue |
| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 10:55 - Dec 8 by Ryorry |
They should pay you for your PR - the first photo you linked is far better in showing what should be one of its major selling points (the location) than anything on their website - even got me looking at the price of a room for NYE! [Post edited 8 Dec 2022 10:55]
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You'd be very close to North Leitrim... | | | |
| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 11:50 - Dec 8 with 1704 views | itfcjoe |
| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 11:19 - Dec 8 by leitrimblue |
Morning Chico, I completely agree that the private elite school system should be abolished. I find the idea that the elite can spend £40-50,000 a year on a superior education for their kids while state schools suffer from chronic underfunding semi medieval.
Though at the same time I completely understand why parents from middle class and even working class families would make financial sacrifices to put their children into private schools. Under the current system this is the only way to give their kids a fighting chance in a otherwise unfair system.
I say abolish private schools and see how the children of the elite survive in the state school system.
At the very least the ending of the old boys network should see a lot less private school boys in positions way above their competence and skill set. |
You'd just get the same though, in that the top state schools would see house prices rocket around them, the ultra wealthy buying property and then using address to get kids in to the top state schools and making donations to the schools etc to ensure their kid gets a place | |
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| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 12:12 - Dec 8 with 1682 views | chicoazul |
| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 11:19 - Dec 8 by leitrimblue |
Morning Chico, I completely agree that the private elite school system should be abolished. I find the idea that the elite can spend £40-50,000 a year on a superior education for their kids while state schools suffer from chronic underfunding semi medieval.
Though at the same time I completely understand why parents from middle class and even working class families would make financial sacrifices to put their children into private schools. Under the current system this is the only way to give their kids a fighting chance in a otherwise unfair system.
I say abolish private schools and see how the children of the elite survive in the state school system.
At the very least the ending of the old boys network should see a lot less private school boys in positions way above their competence and skill set. |
Morning.
To address yours and Ullas points, I believe in choice. People should be able to choose what they spend their money on and indeed it may be morally good to send your child to private if you can afford it. I don’t want to destroy the public school system, I want to kneecap its ability to send its pupils into positions of power in public and political life, as they haveballsed it up so badly for the last 100 years. And the way I would do that would be to reintroduce selection at 11 for all and rebuild the 1300 grammar schools we have lost.
I completely agree and understand why middle class people would want to get their bright kids into private to give them a leg up on our gamed system. Shame the working classes can’t. But if you have a good quality free grammar school on your doorstep why would you bother sending your spawn to Winchester? | |
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| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 12:13 - Dec 8 with 1681 views | chicoazul |
| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 11:50 - Dec 8 by itfcjoe |
You'd just get the same though, in that the top state schools would see house prices rocket around them, the ultra wealthy buying property and then using address to get kids in to the top state schools and making donations to the schools etc to ensure their kid gets a place |
Indeed. We have selection in this country in education; not by talent but by wealth. | |
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| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 12:23 - Dec 8 with 1667 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| McKenna parents' hotel is higher end than I had in mind... on 11:23 - Dec 8 by leitrimblue |
You'd be very close to North Leitrim... |
I was keeping that under wraps! |  | | |
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