| Don’t shoot the messenger 16:01 - Dec 18 with 20623 views | textbackup |
But spoke to a certain ex loanee striker lastnight who mentioned there has been dialogue between his agent and club… |  |
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| Don’t shoot the messenger on 09:28 - Dec 19 with 3199 views | StokieBlue |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 07:34 - Dec 19 by textbackup |
What?!
You’ve seen ladapo running, haven’t you? I mean come on, bloke looks like he’s running in mud sometimes (fwiw I like ladapo, but to suggest he’s quicker than Bonne is madness) [Post edited 19 Dec 2022 7:51]
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Yet McKenna decided in the close season that he was better at doing the forward job for us than Bonne given both were available.
He does the job fine, it's not a single person job anyway, it has to be done as a team unit.
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| Don’t shoot the messenger on 09:36 - Dec 19 with 3156 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 02:54 - Dec 19 by The_Romford_Blue |
Excellent. Should have been here from the start of the season. Imagine how many times he’d have been on the end of one of Leif Davis’ delicious crosses.
Also heard that we are going to be recalling (already agreed with Portsmouth) Piggott. |
I can understand Pompey wanting to send Pigott back but why are we agreeing to that? Maybe we have been able to arrange another loan or sale for him and Pompey will continue to pay a proportion of his wages to enable it? Otherwise I can't see the logic. |  |
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| Don’t shoot the messenger on 09:44 - Dec 19 with 3145 views | Radlett_blue |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 17:05 - Dec 18 by StokieBlue |
So about the same as Ladapo whom we would be replacing?
I don't think Bonne is the answer, people say we should be looking at quality, championship level and they say Bonne could do a job in other threads.
Seems internally inconsistent to me.
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Either we can't afford most Championship quality strikers or they won't want to come here. Bonne is about the level we are likely to get. |  |
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| Don’t shoot the messenger on 09:47 - Dec 19 with 3137 views | StokieBlue |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 09:44 - Dec 19 by Radlett_blue |
Either we can't afford most Championship quality strikers or they won't want to come here. Bonne is about the level we are likely to get. |
That's a different argument though and one which has some merit.
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| Don’t shoot the messenger on 09:53 - Dec 19 with 3121 views | bluejacko |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 02:54 - Dec 19 by The_Romford_Blue |
Excellent. Should have been here from the start of the season. Imagine how many times he’d have been on the end of one of Leif Davis’ delicious crosses.
Also heard that we are going to be recalling (already agreed with Portsmouth) Piggott. |
I thought that Portsmouth said there was no recall on Piggot |  | | |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:08 - Dec 19 with 3068 views | textbackup |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 09:28 - Dec 19 by StokieBlue |
Yet McKenna decided in the close season that he was better at doing the forward job for us than Bonne given both were available.
He does the job fine, it's not a single person job anyway, it has to be done as a team unit.
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I’m purely disagreeing with the point about ladapo being quicker at closing down than Bonne.
Nothing else. | |
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| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:22 - Dec 19 with 3025 views | itfcjoe |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 09:28 - Dec 19 by StokieBlue |
Yet McKenna decided in the close season that he was better at doing the forward job for us than Bonne given both were available.
He does the job fine, it's not a single person job anyway, it has to be done as a team unit.
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Bonne was still under contract at QPR, whereas Ladapo was a free transfer so disingenuous to say both were available as totally different situations
The fact Bonne didn't go out anywhere would indicate QPR were wanting too much for him as he wasn't in their plans |  |
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| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:24 - Dec 19 with 3018 views | J2BLUE |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 02:54 - Dec 19 by The_Romford_Blue |
Excellent. Should have been here from the start of the season. Imagine how many times he’d have been on the end of one of Leif Davis’ delicious crosses.
Also heard that we are going to be recalling (already agreed with Portsmouth) Piggott. |
Really don't think this will happen. Unless someone is buying him.
Doesn't seem to make sense on any level. |  |
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| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:25 - Dec 19 with 3018 views | itfcjoe |
I didn't think we should have gone in for him in the summer, and we clearly had our targets set high.....but that ambition fell well short of what was required. If Ahadme was fit then he may have made more of an impact but he hasn't been and subsequently hasn't.
But we are now in a situation where we like to rotate attacking players, but we only have one striker fit in Ladapo. On Saturday there is simply no way you could have taken Ladapo off for Ahadme as he's just such a level below.
We are relaly missing TJJ, I'm not against Bonne coming back, but think we should looking for better.......but we did that in the summer and look where we ended up so sometimes best to have a bird in the hand | |
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| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:35 - Dec 19 with 2988 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:25 - Dec 19 by itfcjoe |
I didn't think we should have gone in for him in the summer, and we clearly had our targets set high.....but that ambition fell well short of what was required. If Ahadme was fit then he may have made more of an impact but he hasn't been and subsequently hasn't.
But we are now in a situation where we like to rotate attacking players, but we only have one striker fit in Ladapo. On Saturday there is simply no way you could have taken Ladapo off for Ahadme as he's just such a level below.
We are relaly missing TJJ, I'm not against Bonne coming back, but think we should looking for better.......but we did that in the summer and look where we ended up so sometimes best to have a bird in the hand |
You would prefer Bonne to Wickham? He is another option who is available although a couple of posters who watch him more regularly say he is too slow now.
I agree we need to get in someone we are confident we can get as well as pursue a more adventurous target. | |
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| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:37 - Dec 19 with 2978 views | itfcjoe |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:35 - Dec 19 by Nthsuffolkblue |
You would prefer Bonne to Wickham? He is another option who is available although a couple of posters who watch him more regularly say he is too slow now.
I agree we need to get in someone we are confident we can get as well as pursue a more adventurous target. |
I've not seen Wickham other than on the box a couple of times so can't say for sure - Wickham seems to have a higher upside on paper but may just be a player who can never get to anything like the same level.
If we do sign Bonne, he is a player that McKenna knows, has worked with for months and still adjudges to be a good option so have to trust the manager has enough of a say to veto this if he thinks he wouldn't improve us | |
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| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:44 - Dec 19 with 2937 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:25 - Dec 19 by itfcjoe |
I didn't think we should have gone in for him in the summer, and we clearly had our targets set high.....but that ambition fell well short of what was required. If Ahadme was fit then he may have made more of an impact but he hasn't been and subsequently hasn't.
But we are now in a situation where we like to rotate attacking players, but we only have one striker fit in Ladapo. On Saturday there is simply no way you could have taken Ladapo off for Ahadme as he's just such a level below.
We are relaly missing TJJ, I'm not against Bonne coming back, but think we should looking for better.......but we did that in the summer and look where we ended up so sometimes best to have a bird in the hand |
Let's be honest now. Regardless of current stats.. the end of the day you can always do better....
But IF we don't go up this season.. the failure of actually signing top quality in the final third in the summer is imo quite shocking considering we had time and funds to do so.
I always wanted Freddie.. but still expected a wow signing to go with him. That wasn't Ahadme. |  |
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| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:52 - Dec 19 with 2930 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:37 - Dec 19 by itfcjoe |
I've not seen Wickham other than on the box a couple of times so can't say for sure - Wickham seems to have a higher upside on paper but may just be a player who can never get to anything like the same level.
If we do sign Bonne, he is a player that McKenna knows, has worked with for months and still adjudges to be a good option so have to trust the manager has enough of a say to veto this if he thinks he wouldn't improve us |
I agree 100% we should trust McKenna to get it right.
Wickham would arrive match fit which is an advantage over Bonne. He is only 29 too. He has 120 Premier League appearances already. If he can stay fit (which he has done for half a season now), I would say he has as much potential as Bonne who is 27 with 73 Championship appearances. | |
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| Don’t shoot the messenger on 11:31 - Dec 19 with 2859 views | cooperd5 |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 20:32 - Dec 18 by Churchman |
Frank Nouble anyone? |
frankie's gonna get ya..... |  | | |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 11:38 - Dec 19 with 2826 views | ElderGrizzly |
Has he learnt the offside rule in the last 6 months? |  | | |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 12:46 - Dec 19 with 2677 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 16:06 - Dec 18 by SitfcB |
Should’ve been here since the start of the season. |
He'd be a better option than Jackson, that's for sure. |  |
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| Don’t shoot the messenger on 12:48 - Dec 19 with 2672 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:25 - Dec 19 by itfcjoe |
I didn't think we should have gone in for him in the summer, and we clearly had our targets set high.....but that ambition fell well short of what was required. If Ahadme was fit then he may have made more of an impact but he hasn't been and subsequently hasn't.
But we are now in a situation where we like to rotate attacking players, but we only have one striker fit in Ladapo. On Saturday there is simply no way you could have taken Ladapo off for Ahadme as he's just such a level below.
We are relaly missing TJJ, I'm not against Bonne coming back, but think we should looking for better.......but we did that in the summer and look where we ended up so sometimes best to have a bird in the hand |
I think the same about TJJ, would love to see him here permanently, albeit we'd have no chance at that. | |
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| Don’t shoot the messenger on 12:54 - Dec 19 with 2619 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 11:38 - Dec 19 by ElderGrizzly |
Has he learnt the offside rule in the last 6 months? |
Does it matter when we pass sideways anyway. ;) | |
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| Don’t shoot the messenger on 12:56 - Dec 19 with 2624 views | pennblue |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:52 - Dec 19 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I agree 100% we should trust McKenna to get it right.
Wickham would arrive match fit which is an advantage over Bonne. He is only 29 too. He has 120 Premier League appearances already. If he can stay fit (which he has done for half a season now), I would say he has as much potential as Bonne who is 27 with 73 Championship appearances. |
Wickham and Bonne up front would be a handful | |
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| Don’t shoot the messenger on 13:01 - Dec 19 with 2610 views | ParisBlue |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:22 - Dec 19 by itfcjoe |
Bonne was still under contract at QPR, whereas Ladapo was a free transfer so disingenuous to say both were available as totally different situations
The fact Bonne didn't go out anywhere would indicate QPR were wanting too much for him as he wasn't in their plans |
A transfer window later and his contract is up in June (qpr have an option).
He's clearly out of favour at qpr, he wasn't in the 18 on Saturday so I'm guessing the new manager isn't a fan either.
We could do a lot worse and I think the style of football this season is better suited to him. If not a loan, then a 6 month deal with a nominal fee to qpr. |  |
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| Don’t shoot the messenger on 13:42 - Dec 19 with 2517 views | Radlett_blue |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 09:53 - Dec 19 by bluejacko |
I thought that Portsmouth said there was no recall on Piggot |
Yes, Portsmouth insisted that there wouldn't be a recall clause as they didn't want to run the risk of Town recalling the free scoring Pigott. They are now stuck with the Pig for the rest of the season unless both clubs (and the player) agree on a return to Town (unlikely) or everyone agrees and another club wants him (also unlikely as hard to see anyone bidding for him or matching Pompey's % of his wages & loan fee).
I reckon a pay off & a free transfer back to the AFC in the summer is most likely. It hasn't happened for Pigott here or at Pompey, although he did get 20 minutes from the bench on Saturday. | |
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| Don’t shoot the messenger on 14:06 - Dec 19 with 2449 views | Stewart27 |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 17:05 - Dec 18 by StokieBlue |
So about the same as Ladapo whom we would be replacing?
I don't think Bonne is the answer, people say we should be looking at quality, championship level and they say Bonne could do a job in other threads.
Seems internally inconsistent to me.
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Ladapo isn’t the issue. It’s whoever comes in to replace him. McKenna likes to rotate so Bonne would have scored 5-6 as a part time 9. Which is a lot more than Jackson, for example. | | | |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 14:09 - Dec 19 with 2446 views | Parky |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 10:25 - Dec 19 by itfcjoe |
I didn't think we should have gone in for him in the summer, and we clearly had our targets set high.....but that ambition fell well short of what was required. If Ahadme was fit then he may have made more of an impact but he hasn't been and subsequently hasn't.
But we are now in a situation where we like to rotate attacking players, but we only have one striker fit in Ladapo. On Saturday there is simply no way you could have taken Ladapo off for Ahadme as he's just such a level below.
We are relaly missing TJJ, I'm not against Bonne coming back, but think we should looking for better.......but we did that in the summer and look where we ended up so sometimes best to have a bird in the hand |
Harsh to write off Ahadme when he’s played 50 minutes off our bench in the league, with no starts. Admittedly against Buxton, but he’s scored in his only start for us.
FWIW, not saying he’s the answer, but I’ve seen a lot of people calling for him to go out on loan and say he isn’t good enough. I’d like to see him actually given a chance before making that decision. | | | |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 14:25 - Dec 19 with 2409 views | LankHenners |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 14:09 - Dec 19 by Parky |
Harsh to write off Ahadme when he’s played 50 minutes off our bench in the league, with no starts. Admittedly against Buxton, but he’s scored in his only start for us.
FWIW, not saying he’s the answer, but I’ve seen a lot of people calling for him to go out on loan and say he isn’t good enough. I’d like to see him actually given a chance before making that decision. |
It's been unfortunate for him that he missed a good chunk of time to get up to speed with us as it's quite a different role to come into from what he was used to at Burton.
Agree people are writing him off too quickly imo but there's a reason he's been coming on with 5 mins left rather than 20-odd. Also think, wherever you stand, that it's fairly clear he wasn't top of the list of targets and we'll be going in to get someone else in January. Wouldn't be overly enamoured if that was Bonne but can see the merits in it. |  |
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| Don’t shoot the messenger on 14:26 - Dec 19 with 2400 views | StokieBlue |
| Don’t shoot the messenger on 14:06 - Dec 19 by Stewart27 |
Ladapo isn’t the issue. It’s whoever comes in to replace him. McKenna likes to rotate so Bonne would have scored 5-6 as a part time 9. Which is a lot more than Jackson, for example. |
You're not really comparing apples with apples there.
Jackson has played often as a number 10 and even as a WB. Lapado (or Bonne) only play as the number 9. Bonne may well have scored more, just needs to be a fairer comparison.
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