| Let's call in the army 11:56 - Dec 20 with 5012 views | DJR |
Rather alarming to hear the following from Sky News.
"Shadow minister for Immigration Stephen Kinnock says the country is "left with no choice" but to send in troops to cover workers striking."
No choice? What about paying a bit more? Or is it managed decline whichever party we vote for? [Post edited 20 Dec 2022 11:58]
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| Let's call in the army on 12:00 - Dec 20 with 3087 views | homer_123 |
What about paying a bit more?
I think that's the issue. Government wants to pay a bit more but workers need more than just a 'bit'. |  |
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| Let's call in the army on 12:06 - Dec 20 with 3060 views | Steve_M |
That always ignores the fact that the army is ridiculously stretched; 12 years of Tory rule plus they can't recruit enough troops because they outsourced that to Crapita.
This is all cosplay government and Kinnock is every bit as bad as the Tories here. |  |
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| Let's call in the army on 12:27 - Dec 20 with 2925 views | Darth_Koont |
Unfortunately, this type of statement is par for the course for our political class.
Simply not fit for purpose. Other than looking after their own and their backers’ vested interests. |  |
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| Let's call in the army on 13:33 - Dec 20 with 2759 views | leitrimblue |
It's sad and sickening that this is a statement from what is supposed to be the opposition to the most selfish right wing government we have ever known |  | | |
| Let's call in the army on 13:47 - Dec 20 with 2722 views | DJR |
| Let's call in the army on 12:00 - Dec 20 by homer_123 |
What about paying a bit more?
I think that's the issue. Government wants to pay a bit more but workers need more than just a 'bit'. |
The fact though is the government don't want to pay more, and aren't even prepared to negotiate.
This is the current Politics Live headline in the Guardian.
"Rishi Sunak warns NHS strikes could go on for months as he rules out reopening pay offers." | | | |
| Let's call in the army on 13:49 - Dec 20 with 2711 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Let's call in the army on 13:33 - Dec 20 by leitrimblue |
It's sad and sickening that this is a statement from what is supposed to be the opposition to the most selfish right wing government we have ever known |
They have decided that the route to power involves squeezing the Government by shifting right of centre. The question will be how much that move haemorrhages support to LibDems and Greens. Since this Government was elected (and some time before) I have been minded to vote Labour. I doubt I would now. |  |
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| Let's call in the army on 13:58 - Dec 20 with 2686 views | leitrimblue |
| Let's call in the army on 13:49 - Dec 20 by Nthsuffolkblue |
They have decided that the route to power involves squeezing the Government by shifting right of centre. The question will be how much that move haemorrhages support to LibDems and Greens. Since this Government was elected (and some time before) I have been minded to vote Labour. I doubt I would now. |
I don't see much reason to vote for um at moment. It's literally a vote for things to be very very very very very very slightly better then they are now. Is that really the best we can hope for? | | | |
| Let's call in the army on 13:59 - Dec 20 with 2684 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Let's call in the army on 12:06 - Dec 20 by Steve_M |
That always ignores the fact that the army is ridiculously stretched; 12 years of Tory rule plus they can't recruit enough troops because they outsourced that to Crapita.
This is all cosplay government and Kinnock is every bit as bad as the Tories here. |
Is this the faint smell of coffee in the air. Our political class are identifying where there interests lie and it's not with the working poor. They know which side their bread is buttered. |  |
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| Let's call in the army on 13:59 - Dec 20 with 2680 views | Churchman |
Calling in the army, or what’s left of it after 12 years of cuts is not an option.
The government chose to hose the economy up the wall with Brexit, PPE contracts to vested interests, badly managed subsidies for business that went into fraudsters pockets etc etc.
It chose to get rid of 1000s of tax inspectors since 2010 that collected far more than they were paid. The logic? ‘We can always print money, govt policy is to reduce headcount’. That’s what a Treasury dude told me face to face.
The government chose to pursue an economic policy that they hadn’t bothered to research or cost resulting in blowing £40bn overnight and smashing UKs fiscal reputation to banana republic status.
So, as far as I’m concerned, those people who have representation have every right to seek a living wage. Start at 25%, accept 20% and tell Sunak and the trough merchants in government to be grateful. Can’t afford it? Find the money or get the people that caused this mess to pay for it.
If they can’t do any of that, resign and let the opposition have a go at improving things. They couldn’t do any worse. [Post edited 20 Dec 2022 14:00]
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| Let's call in the army on 14:02 - Dec 20 with 2638 views | Ely_Blue |
Will you be expecting 5% above inflation for your next pay review?
Where does the money come from? Extra taxation? Are you happy to pay more tax to give these increases? |  |
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| Let's call in the army on 14:06 - Dec 20 with 2607 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
I still think realistically Labour will struggle to get much of a majority with Scotland lost and a coalition looks likely. Could it be that they link up with the Lib Dem’s who ironically will probably be to the left of Labour.
Not really sure why the LD’s stand for theses days, might bring Single Market reentry to the table though! |  | | |
| Let's call in the army on 14:06 - Dec 20 with 2602 views | homer_123 |
| Let's call in the army on 13:47 - Dec 20 by DJR |
The fact though is the government don't want to pay more, and aren't even prepared to negotiate.
This is the current Politics Live headline in the Guardian.
"Rishi Sunak warns NHS strikes could go on for months as he rules out reopening pay offers." |
I guess clapping was never enough? | |
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| Let's call in the army on 14:07 - Dec 20 with 2606 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Let's call in the army on 12:00 - Dec 20 by homer_123 |
What about paying a bit more?
I think that's the issue. Government wants to pay a bit more but workers need more than just a 'bit'. |
The government has refused to negotiate with striking workers just today, so I'm not sure that the Government wants to pay a bit more at all. |  |
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| Let's call in the army on 14:07 - Dec 20 with 2600 views | homer_123 |
| Let's call in the army on 14:02 - Dec 20 by Ely_Blue |
Will you be expecting 5% above inflation for your next pay review?
Where does the money come from? Extra taxation? Are you happy to pay more tax to give these increases? |
Yes. I am.
The long and short is, things have to be paid for. Nothing is free.
The NHS needs reform but it is and has been chronically underfunded and effectively privatised. | |
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| Let's call in the army on 14:09 - Dec 20 with 2596 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Let's call in the army on 14:02 - Dec 20 by Ely_Blue |
Will you be expecting 5% above inflation for your next pay review?
Where does the money come from? Extra taxation? Are you happy to pay more tax to give these increases? |
Tax rises wouldn’t have been necessary had the finances been competently managed. The Tories managed to run up so much debt (even prior to COVID) that we had a sovereign credit rating downgrade- thus making borrowing more expensive. [Post edited 20 Dec 2022 14:11]
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| Let's call in the army on 14:14 - Dec 20 with 2547 views | Plums |
| Let's call in the army on 13:47 - Dec 20 by DJR |
The fact though is the government don't want to pay more, and aren't even prepared to negotiate.
This is the current Politics Live headline in the Guardian.
"Rishi Sunak warns NHS strikes could go on for months as he rules out reopening pay offers." |
If Sunak believe the nurses are his equivalent of Thatcher's coal miners, he's got another think coming. They have public support and he has no mandate |  |
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| Let's call in the army on 14:21 - Dec 20 with 2532 views | mylittletown |
| Let's call in the army on 13:49 - Dec 20 by Nthsuffolkblue |
They have decided that the route to power involves squeezing the Government by shifting right of centre. The question will be how much that move haemorrhages support to LibDems and Greens. Since this Government was elected (and some time before) I have been minded to vote Labour. I doubt I would now. |
I will vote for whoever beats the Tories or keeps them out. In my current constituency that means voting Labour, in my previous constituency that would mean voting LibDem.
If they were to form the government, Labour would, I believe, become less right wing than they are looking at the moment. Their current priority is only to win power. Without power, the rest is pointless. |  | | |
| Let's call in the army on 14:35 - Dec 20 with 2484 views | DJR |
| Let's call in the army on 14:09 - Dec 20 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Tax rises wouldn’t have been necessary had the finances been competently managed. The Tories managed to run up so much debt (even prior to COVID) that we had a sovereign credit rating downgrade- thus making borrowing more expensive. [Post edited 20 Dec 2022 14:11]
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Agreed. The root cause of all our woes is Coalition austerity (yes, you too Clegg!) which has led to much lower growth, and therefore a vicious spiral of cuts followed by further cuts. This in turn has been compounded by Brexit. Covid and the cost of living crisis has affected every country, but we have these two additional factors which means all of our public services are on the brink of collapse. | | | |
| Let's call in the army on 14:36 - Dec 20 with 2483 views | J2BLUE |
| Let's call in the army on 13:59 - Dec 20 by Churchman |
Calling in the army, or what’s left of it after 12 years of cuts is not an option.
The government chose to hose the economy up the wall with Brexit, PPE contracts to vested interests, badly managed subsidies for business that went into fraudsters pockets etc etc.
It chose to get rid of 1000s of tax inspectors since 2010 that collected far more than they were paid. The logic? ‘We can always print money, govt policy is to reduce headcount’. That’s what a Treasury dude told me face to face.
The government chose to pursue an economic policy that they hadn’t bothered to research or cost resulting in blowing £40bn overnight and smashing UKs fiscal reputation to banana republic status.
So, as far as I’m concerned, those people who have representation have every right to seek a living wage. Start at 25%, accept 20% and tell Sunak and the trough merchants in government to be grateful. Can’t afford it? Find the money or get the people that caused this mess to pay for it.
If they can’t do any of that, resign and let the opposition have a go at improving things. They couldn’t do any worse. [Post edited 20 Dec 2022 14:00]
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The way we treat the people we told they were key workers is disgusting. Not just the NHS staff but people like shop workers who will once again be expected to work stupid hours over Christmas and New Year because the companies are so scared they might miss a sale.
My local Tesco Express is open until 10pm Christmas Eve and New Years Eve. 9-7 on Boxing Day. 8-10 on New Year's Day. It's a disgrace. I rant about this every year because it disgusts me. I will refuse to go in there on any of those days.
We threw a section of society to the wolves to protect the rest of us and now they are being screwed over. All the promises of making it right and being grateful for them have long since been forgotten. Labour should create adverts showing that snake in Downing Street clapping with his various quotes playing over the top.
I know i've kind of muddled the post and Sunak is not responsible for pandering to shareholders etc. |  |
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| Let's call in the army on 14:43 - Dec 20 with 2435 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
Can they play up front? |  |
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| Let's call in the army on 14:46 - Dec 20 with 2433 views | Keno |
This is worrying - after the queen (rest her soul) passed the Army had lots of practice shelling us peasants, admittedly they disguised it as 'a gun salutes', but Ive always suspected there was more to it than that [Post edited 20 Dec 2022 14:47]
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| Let's call in the army on 14:47 - Dec 20 with 2427 views | DJR |
| Let's call in the army on 14:14 - Dec 20 by Plums |
If Sunak believe the nurses are his equivalent of Thatcher's coal miners, he's got another think coming. They have public support and he has no mandate |
I think it shows just how desperate they are. They're wildly hoping people will turn against strikers, but most people blame the government rather the unions for the strikes, including even the rail strikes, so this seems a forlorn hope. They're also hoping bashing those crossing in small boats might boost them. | | | |
| Let's call in the army on 15:00 - Dec 20 with 2341 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Let's call in the army on 14:36 - Dec 20 by J2BLUE |
The way we treat the people we told they were key workers is disgusting. Not just the NHS staff but people like shop workers who will once again be expected to work stupid hours over Christmas and New Year because the companies are so scared they might miss a sale.
My local Tesco Express is open until 10pm Christmas Eve and New Years Eve. 9-7 on Boxing Day. 8-10 on New Year's Day. It's a disgrace. I rant about this every year because it disgusts me. I will refuse to go in there on any of those days.
We threw a section of society to the wolves to protect the rest of us and now they are being screwed over. All the promises of making it right and being grateful for them have long since been forgotten. Labour should create adverts showing that snake in Downing Street clapping with his various quotes playing over the top.
I know i've kind of muddled the post and Sunak is not responsible for pandering to shareholders etc. |
“My local Tesco Express is open until 10pm Christmas Eve and New Years Eve. 9-7 on Boxing Day. 8-10 on New Year's Day. It's a disgrace. I rant about this every year because it disgusts me. I will refuse to go in there on any of those days.”
I’d just caveat that I used to choose to work those days for a higher rate and more hours/extra money for Xmas. That was a while back though so may not be optional/extra rate these days? | | | |
| Let's call in the army on 15:02 - Dec 20 with 2336 views | Swansea_Blue |
I don't think there's anything wrong with what he said. He was specifically asked if he supported the use of the army and gave a straight answer. Obviously the solution is to agree a pay deal, but Labor can't do that. If we don't use the forces, what happens then when there's a need with nobody to deliver? We've got a history of using the forces to cover in any case, so why shouldn't they be part of the resources available?
None of that detracts from the key priority of agreeing pay settlements imo. |  |
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| Let's call in the army on 15:11 - Dec 20 with 2298 views | J2BLUE |
| Let's call in the army on 15:00 - Dec 20 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
“My local Tesco Express is open until 10pm Christmas Eve and New Years Eve. 9-7 on Boxing Day. 8-10 on New Year's Day. It's a disgrace. I rant about this every year because it disgusts me. I will refuse to go in there on any of those days.”
I’d just caveat that I used to choose to work those days for a higher rate and more hours/extra money for Xmas. That was a while back though so may not be optional/extra rate these days? |
No idea but for every (I assume) younger worker who might want to there are plenty who don't want to be there. | |
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