| Let's call in the army 11:56 - Dec 20 with 5036 views | DJR |
Rather alarming to hear the following from Sky News.
"Shadow minister for Immigration Stephen Kinnock says the country is "left with no choice" but to send in troops to cover workers striking."
No choice? What about paying a bit more? Or is it managed decline whichever party we vote for? [Post edited 20 Dec 2022 11:58]
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| Let's call in the army on 15:20 - Dec 20 with 1362 views | itfc_bucks |
| Let's call in the army on 12:06 - Dec 20 by Steve_M |
That always ignores the fact that the army is ridiculously stretched; 12 years of Tory rule plus they can't recruit enough troops because they outsourced that to Crapita.
This is all cosplay government and Kinnock is every bit as bad as the Tories here. |
I worked on that particular outsourced project.
Firstly, let's not pretend that Army was hitting it's requirement before the project was let.
Secondly, if you read the outcomes of the parliamentary report, much of the blame for initial failings could easily be ascribed to poor requirement definition from the MOD. See also Ajax or the CVA programme.
Thirdly, Capita's big mistake was hanging their hat on a centralised, bespoke IT system (where have we heard that before, eh?) Once the kinks were knocked out of it (well, the worst of them, anyway) it actually worked quite well. Targets were met for the last two or three years I worked on it.
I gather it may have all fallen to ratsht in the intervening period, but I don't have any firsthand knowlege there. |  | | |
| Let's call in the army on 15:21 - Dec 20 with 1362 views | jontysnut |
Didn't Churchill deploy the military during a strike - albeit gunships on the Mersey. |  | | |
| Let's call in the army on 15:52 - Dec 20 with 1284 views | HARRY10 |
| Let's call in the army on 14:02 - Dec 20 by Ely_Blue |
Will you be expecting 5% above inflation for your next pay review?
Where does the money come from? Extra taxation? Are you happy to pay more tax to give these increases? |
Nurses pay is worth 20% less than it was in 2010
This is not about some spurious idiocy of not being able to afford it - when set against bankers bonuses and bombs to Ukraine.
This is an idelogical mindset that sees providing healthcare to 'useless mouth' as an unnecessary cots, so seek to reduce that cost whenever possible.
Of course they will always find dimwitted righties to support their stance (lies). Facism did not rise across Europe in the 20/30s without the support of gullible 'useful idiots'.
if a bankrupt Btitain (as good as) could afford to create the NHS in 1948 then it can afford it now. It just comes down to priorities
i know what is important in the life of myself and my family, and it is not the huge sums I receive (along with Red Wallers) from the dividends of Water, Electric and Train companies. None of which saw their workers striking when they were not in private (foreign) hands
But as we are constantly told 'master knows best..........baa baa' | | | |
| Let's call in the army on 16:07 - Dec 20 with 1275 views | noggin |
| Let's call in the army on 14:02 - Dec 20 by Ely_Blue |
Will you be expecting 5% above inflation for your next pay review?
Where does the money come from? Extra taxation? Are you happy to pay more tax to give these increases? |
You do know nurses wages have been stagnating for a decade, right? Blaming inflation now is an insult. |  |
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| Let's call in the army on 16:08 - Dec 20 with 1274 views | Radlett_blue |
| Let's call in the army on 15:21 - Dec 20 by jontysnut |
Didn't Churchill deploy the military during a strike - albeit gunships on the Mersey. |
During the 1910-11 miners' strike, there were some violent confrontations between miners & police in South Wales, later referred to as the Tonypandy riots. Churchill was Liberal Home Secretary at the time & troops were sent in to reinforce the police. One miner died of head injuries, possibly caused by a police baton & rumours developed that miners had been shot dead by troops. The strike ultimately failed & resentment against Churchill in South Wales long continued. |  |
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| Let's call in the army on 16:27 - Dec 20 with 1249 views | BlueBadger |
| Let's call in the army on 14:02 - Dec 20 by Ely_Blue |
Will you be expecting 5% above inflation for your next pay review?
Where does the money come from? Extra taxation? Are you happy to pay more tax to give these increases? |
The extra £350 million a week we've been trousering since January last year? |  |
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| Let's call in the army on 16:29 - Dec 20 with 1223 views | noggin |
| Let's call in the army on 16:27 - Dec 20 by BlueBadger |
The extra £350 million a week we've been trousering since January last year? |
Oh that 350 million 😳 | |
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| Let's call in the army on 16:29 - Dec 20 with 1220 views | Keno |
| Let's call in the army on 14:02 - Dec 20 by Ely_Blue |
Will you be expecting 5% above inflation for your next pay review?
Where does the money come from? Extra taxation? Are you happy to pay more tax to give these increases? |
Cant they just shake the magic money tree that made £2billion appear when they wanted to bribe the DUP?
Did you question where that came from and would you have been happy paying the extra tax to fund it? |  |
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| Let's call in the army on 16:33 - Dec 20 with 1214 views | BlueBadger |
| Let's call in the army on 16:29 - Dec 20 by noggin |
Oh that 350 million 😳 |
I've just worked out, that we could pay for a 19% percent rise in 9 months using our Brexit Dividend.. | |
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| Let's call in the army on 16:39 - Dec 20 with 1195 views | Mullet |
| Let's call in the army on 16:07 - Dec 20 by noggin |
You do know nurses wages have been stagnating for a decade, right? Blaming inflation now is an insult. |
This seems to be the part where the public are going to be hard to reach because we are all suffering so much under this lot.
They're relying on splintering and selfishness amongst the public being the loudest voice too it seems.
What I can't work out from people like Kinnock is if they think they are calling the Tories' bluff as "send the army in" is such a tired right wing cliche, and they want to show up that "sport r troopz" type rhetoric in the press is hollow. Or, he's just an idiot for falling into the same trap. |  |
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| Let's call in the army on 16:46 - Dec 20 with 1180 views | J2BLUE |
| Let's call in the army on 14:02 - Dec 20 by Ely_Blue |
Will you be expecting 5% above inflation for your next pay review?
Where does the money come from? Extra taxation? Are you happy to pay more tax to give these increases? |
If I was a frontline NHS worker i'd think 5% above inflation was an insult.
Where's the pay rise to back up the words and applause during covid? No working from home if you're a nurse. No being paid 80% to not work. You go to work on the front line in a pandemic, take your chances and be grateful for the pittance you're paid. |  |
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| Let's call in the army on 16:46 - Dec 20 with 1178 views | noggin |
| Let's call in the army on 16:39 - Dec 20 by Mullet |
This seems to be the part where the public are going to be hard to reach because we are all suffering so much under this lot.
They're relying on splintering and selfishness amongst the public being the loudest voice too it seems.
What I can't work out from people like Kinnock is if they think they are calling the Tories' bluff as "send the army in" is such a tired right wing cliche, and they want to show up that "sport r troopz" type rhetoric in the press is hollow. Or, he's just an idiot for falling into the same trap. |
"Sport are troops" is a guaranteed vote winner. | |
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| Let's call in the army on 16:54 - Dec 20 with 1156 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Let's call in the army on 15:20 - Dec 20 by itfc_bucks |
I worked on that particular outsourced project.
Firstly, let's not pretend that Army was hitting it's requirement before the project was let.
Secondly, if you read the outcomes of the parliamentary report, much of the blame for initial failings could easily be ascribed to poor requirement definition from the MOD. See also Ajax or the CVA programme.
Thirdly, Capita's big mistake was hanging their hat on a centralised, bespoke IT system (where have we heard that before, eh?) Once the kinks were knocked out of it (well, the worst of them, anyway) it actually worked quite well. Targets were met for the last two or three years I worked on it.
I gather it may have all fallen to ratsht in the intervening period, but I don't have any firsthand knowlege there. |
The thing to remember about Crapita is they thrived under a Labour government. The founding executive chairman actually resigned, must be 17 years ago, after making personal loans to the Labour Party.
I comment as someone in receipt of a Capita pension., |  |
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| Let's call in the army on 17:20 - Dec 20 with 1112 views | Radlett_blue |
| Let's call in the army on 16:54 - Dec 20 by Pinewoodblue |
The thing to remember about Crapita is they thrived under a Labour government. The founding executive chairman actually resigned, must be 17 years ago, after making personal loans to the Labour Party.
I comment as someone in receipt of a Capita pension., |
Mrs Radlett was working for Capita when I first met her, many moons ago. I turned up seriously drunk at their Xmas do in our early days. Our relationship survived, but hers with Capita didn't last much longer, although I don't think this was in any way connected. | |
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| Let's call in the army on 17:24 - Dec 20 with 1094 views | DJR |
| Let's call in the army on 15:20 - Dec 20 by itfc_bucks |
I worked on that particular outsourced project.
Firstly, let's not pretend that Army was hitting it's requirement before the project was let.
Secondly, if you read the outcomes of the parliamentary report, much of the blame for initial failings could easily be ascribed to poor requirement definition from the MOD. See also Ajax or the CVA programme.
Thirdly, Capita's big mistake was hanging their hat on a centralised, bespoke IT system (where have we heard that before, eh?) Once the kinks were knocked out of it (well, the worst of them, anyway) it actually worked quite well. Targets were met for the last two or three years I worked on it.
I gather it may have all fallen to ratsht in the intervening period, but I don't have any firsthand knowlege there. |
Maybe that's the only one they've got partially right (because of you!). Private Eye don't call them Crapita for nothing. [Post edited 20 Dec 2022 17:46]
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| Let's call in the army on 17:44 - Dec 20 with 1042 views | DJR |
| Let's call in the army on 16:08 - Dec 20 by Radlett_blue |
During the 1910-11 miners' strike, there were some violent confrontations between miners & police in South Wales, later referred to as the Tonypandy riots. Churchill was Liberal Home Secretary at the time & troops were sent in to reinforce the police. One miner died of head injuries, possibly caused by a police baton & rumours developed that miners had been shot dead by troops. The strike ultimately failed & resentment against Churchill in South Wales long continued. |
Troops (including tanks) were also deployed following the Battle of George Square in Glasgow in 1919 between strikers and the police, where many were injured and a policeman subsequently died. Two of the strike leaders were imprisoned, one of whom (Manny Shinwell) some of you may remember.
It was incidents such as this which gave Glasgow its Red Clydeside reputation. [Post edited 20 Dec 2022 17:45]
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| Let's call in the army on 17:49 - Dec 20 with 1029 views | DJR |
| Let's call in the army on 16:54 - Dec 20 by Pinewoodblue |
The thing to remember about Crapita is they thrived under a Labour government. The founding executive chairman actually resigned, must be 17 years ago, after making personal loans to the Labour Party.
I comment as someone in receipt of a Capita pension., |
At one stage my Civil Service Pension was administered by a then well known travel agent of all things, whose name I forget. They were appalling. | | | |
| Let's call in the army on 17:55 - Dec 20 with 1022 views | factual_blue |
| Let's call in the army on 12:06 - Dec 20 by Steve_M |
That always ignores the fact that the army is ridiculously stretched; 12 years of Tory rule plus they can't recruit enough troops because they outsourced that to Crapita.
This is all cosplay government and Kinnock is every bit as bad as the Tories here. |
OK then. The Navy? |  |
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| Let's call in the army on 18:01 - Dec 20 with 1015 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Let's call in the army on 17:20 - Dec 20 by Radlett_blue |
Mrs Radlett was working for Capita when I first met her, many moons ago. I turned up seriously drunk at their Xmas do in our early days. Our relationship survived, but hers with Capita didn't last much longer, although I don't think this was in any way connected. |
I spent 18 months seconded to an IT project as end user representative. Didn’t achieve the original objectives and ended up with a system which was only slightly better than one being replaced. Could never understand why they wanted a bespoke system. | |
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| Let's call in the army on 18:13 - Dec 20 with 1010 views | BlueBadger |
| Let's call in the army on 14:36 - Dec 20 by J2BLUE |
The way we treat the people we told they were key workers is disgusting. Not just the NHS staff but people like shop workers who will once again be expected to work stupid hours over Christmas and New Year because the companies are so scared they might miss a sale.
My local Tesco Express is open until 10pm Christmas Eve and New Years Eve. 9-7 on Boxing Day. 8-10 on New Year's Day. It's a disgrace. I rant about this every year because it disgusts me. I will refuse to go in there on any of those days.
We threw a section of society to the wolves to protect the rest of us and now they are being screwed over. All the promises of making it right and being grateful for them have long since been forgotten. Labour should create adverts showing that snake in Downing Street clapping with his various quotes playing over the top.
I know i've kind of muddled the post and Sunak is not responsible for pandering to shareholders etc. |
In a very real way, Sunak and(by extension, Tories in general) are ALL about pandering to shareholders. | |
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| Let's call in the army on 18:15 - Dec 20 with 1007 views | factual_blue |
| Let's call in the army on 17:20 - Dec 20 by Radlett_blue |
Mrs Radlett was working for Capita when I first met her, many moons ago. I turned up seriously drunk at their Xmas do in our early days. Our relationship survived, but hers with Capita didn't last much longer, although I don't think this was in any way connected. |
From my experience of crapita, if you turned up at their Xmas do seriously drunk, you were probably the most sober one there. | |
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| Let's call in the army on 18:43 - Dec 20 with 971 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Let's call in the army on 14:07 - Dec 20 by Cheltenham_Blue |
The government has refused to negotiate with striking workers just today, so I'm not sure that the Government wants to pay a bit more at all. |
They have frozen school budgets while awarding teachers a below-inflation pay rise. That doesn't sound like the Government financing anything. They have cut public services for decades and now want to cut it even further. They can afford to defraud public money into their relatives' and donors' pockets but not to pay for public services. At the same time they are lifting the caps on bankers' bonuses. It is OK for rich people to get richer but it is also important that the services the poor rely on are further defunded.
Defund, demoralise, privatise. It is fundamental Tory policy. |  |
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| Let's call in the army on 18:45 - Dec 20 with 964 views | J2BLUE |
| Let's call in the army on 18:13 - Dec 20 by BlueBadger |
In a very real way, Sunak and(by extension, Tories in general) are ALL about pandering to shareholders. |
Yea I just thought it would give the usual crowd an easy out if I didn't say it wasn't his fault though. | |
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| Let's call in the army on 22:11 - Dec 21 with 728 views | itfc_bucks |
Just going back to the theme at the moment, I'd also strongly suggest you all do a little twitter trawl about the defense housing for service personnel at the moment. It seems the crumbling infrastructure has resulted in huge numbers being flooded or left with no heating/hot water right before Christmas.
Complaints go unrecognised and soldiers, sailors, airmen and families go without any form of compensation.
It is a genuine disgrace. | | | |
| Let's call in the army on 22:13 - Dec 21 with 724 views | Ely_Blue |
| Let's call in the army on 16:27 - Dec 20 by BlueBadger |
The extra £350 million a week we've been trousering since January last year? |
I agree with that but we all know that was a lie |  |
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