| If Mark aston was CEO when evans first took over where would we be 23:06 - Jan 13 with 2681 views | hunty21 |
Just imagine how better the money would have been spent instead of priskin lisbie or scotland we would have ended up with players with potential like austin maynard or austin so much waste in miney with Ckegg at the healm |  | | |  |
| If Mark aston was CEO when evans first took over where would we be on 23:10 - Jan 13 with 2653 views | Pique |
This was the thing I never understood about the Evans regime. He clearly had no clue how to run a football club (which is fine, many owners don't), so why not appoint an experienced and powerful football savvy CEO to run the show? Instead of a series of yes men who'd never worked in the industry?
He was such a weird mixture of apathy and control freakery. |  | | |
| If Mark aston was CEO when evans first took over where would we be on 23:15 - Jan 13 with 2610 views | Freddies_Ears |
When Evans joined, the CEO was Derek Bowden, as good a CEO as you'd hope for. Evans fired him & installed Clegg. So, if Ashton had been here, he'd have been fired. If not, he'd have left. | | | |
| If Mark aston was CEO when evans first took over where would we be on 00:11 - Jan 14 with 2472 views | Illinoisblue |
| If Mark aston was CEO when evans first took over where would we be on 23:15 - Jan 13 by Freddies_Ears |
When Evans joined, the CEO was Derek Bowden, as good a CEO as you'd hope for. Evans fired him & installed Clegg. So, if Ashton had been here, he'd have been fired. If not, he'd have left. |
Although Bowden, like Evans, had no prior experience of working in football. Not exactly a dream team |  |
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| If Mark aston was CEO when evans first took over where would we be on 01:38 - Jan 14 with 2390 views | davblue |
| If Mark aston was CEO when evans first took over where would we be on 23:10 - Jan 13 by Pique |
This was the thing I never understood about the Evans regime. He clearly had no clue how to run a football club (which is fine, many owners don't), so why not appoint an experienced and powerful football savvy CEO to run the show? Instead of a series of yes men who'd never worked in the industry?
He was such a weird mixture of apathy and control freakery. |
Poured his money into wages and fees but neglected everything else.
In hindsight we were never set up for success as the behind the scenes structure was allowed to get smaller and more out of date over the years, that’s the part where he failed and trying to run the club and hardly ever being there. |  | | |
| If Mark aston was CEO when evans first took over where would we be on 06:49 - Jan 14 with 2235 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Evans would never have fallen for Ashton and O’Leary’s PowerPoint presentation so I guess we’ll never know the answer to that one. As Town are essentially following the the Bristol Cit franchise model sold to an investment company closer to home I’d suggest, if all had gone well, Town would be where Bristol City are - with the finance company having pulled the plug | |
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| If Mark aston was CEO when evans first took over where would we be on 07:03 - Jan 14 with 2201 views | PioneerBlue |
It’s an interesting thought experiment. In hindsight it’s ridiculous that the guy with money, who presumably competes for talent everyday when running his other business didn’t do exactly this when buying a football club.
He never got the off pitch part right, in the end not even on the pitch. Complete waste of money and a case of how not to invest in a football club. It’s hardly in doubt that he wanted the right thing for the club but either wouldn’t listen or was too self absorbed to allow other to do the MA role. In fairness, the CEO model we have today is a direct response to the fact we are funded by a money fund, they need this corporate governance model in place for clear lines of accountability.
It could have been very different with better advice for ME. | |
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| If Mark aston was CEO when evans first took over where would we be on 07:14 - Jan 14 with 2158 views | cressi |
| If Mark aston was CEO when evans first took over where would we be on 07:03 - Jan 14 by PioneerBlue |
It’s an interesting thought experiment. In hindsight it’s ridiculous that the guy with money, who presumably competes for talent everyday when running his other business didn’t do exactly this when buying a football club.
He never got the off pitch part right, in the end not even on the pitch. Complete waste of money and a case of how not to invest in a football club. It’s hardly in doubt that he wanted the right thing for the club but either wouldn’t listen or was too self absorbed to allow other to do the MA role. In fairness, the CEO model we have today is a direct response to the fact we are funded by a money fund, they need this corporate governance model in place for clear lines of accountability.
It could have been very different with better advice for ME. |
Ashton has come here because of the financial support whether to buy players or for other club improvements I imagine his wages include large incentives ie promotion no chance he would have worked under Evans. | | | |
| If Mark aston was CEO when evans first took over where would we be on 07:22 - Jan 14 with 2138 views | PioneerBlue |
| If Mark aston was CEO when evans first took over where would we be on 07:14 - Jan 14 by cressi |
Ashton has come here because of the financial support whether to buy players or for other club improvements I imagine his wages include large incentives ie promotion no chance he would have worked under Evans. |
I complete agree. Certainly not the later years ME once the tap was turned off probably not event the early years from what we now know, he was poorly advised and never let go. His model of ownership wasn’t set up to succeed. | |
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| If Mark aston was CEO when evans first took over where would we be on 09:20 - Jan 14 with 2002 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| If Mark aston was CEO when evans first took over where would we be on 07:14 - Jan 14 by cressi |
Ashton has come here because of the financial support whether to buy players or for other club improvements I imagine his wages include large incentives ie promotion no chance he would have worked under Evans. |
Evans splashed the cash to start with.
I suspect Cleggs salary was generous. |  |
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| Okay I'll bite, again ffs :) on 09:31 - Jan 14 with 1977 views | Dyland |
| If Mark aston was CEO when evans first took over where would we be on 06:49 - Jan 14 by ElephantintheRoom |
Evans would never have fallen for Ashton and O’Leary’s PowerPoint presentation so I guess we’ll never know the answer to that one. As Town are essentially following the the Bristol Cit franchise model sold to an investment company closer to home I’d suggest, if all had gone well, Town would be where Bristol City are - with the finance company having pulled the plug |
Remind us how ITFC is now a franchise club please. |  |
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| If Mark aston was CEO when evans first took over where would we be on 09:46 - Jan 14 with 1916 views | BlueBadger |
| If Mark aston was CEO when evans first took over where would we be on 06:49 - Jan 14 by ElephantintheRoom |
Evans would never have fallen for Ashton and O’Leary’s PowerPoint presentation so I guess we’ll never know the answer to that one. As Town are essentially following the the Bristol Cit franchise model sold to an investment company closer to home I’d suggest, if all had gone well, Town would be where Bristol City are - with the finance company having pulled the plug |
Didn't Evans basically sell up on the basis of Ashton and O'Leary's 'powerpoint presentation'? [Post edited 14 Jan 2023 9:47]
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| If Mark aston was CEO when evans first took over where would we be on 09:48 - Jan 14 with 1891 views | BlueBadger |
| If Mark aston was CEO when evans first took over where would we be on 01:38 - Jan 14 by davblue |
Poured his money into wages and fees but neglected everything else.
In hindsight we were never set up for success as the behind the scenes structure was allowed to get smaller and more out of date over the years, that’s the part where he failed and trying to run the club and hardly ever being there. |
Ironically, we'd have probably been in better shape now as a club had he put less into wages and more into infrastructure. There would have been a lot less 'catch up' having to be played now. | |
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| Okay I'll bite, again ffs :) on 09:51 - Jan 14 with 1880 views | Dubtractor |
| Okay I'll bite, again ffs :) on 09:31 - Jan 14 by Dyland |
Remind us how ITFC is now a franchise club please. |
You wait. In 5 years time we'll be the Halesworth Horses following a controversial move into a new market. |  |
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| If Mark aston was CEO when evans first took over where would we be on 09:52 - Jan 14 with 1880 views | Darth_Koont |
Could certainly have made a difference. Although I think the key aspect of Evans first 6 years or so was that he was unlucky to support Magilton, Keane and Jewell with top 6 funds and ended up with a relegation side.
How he restricted investment and tried to make us sustainable after that (football just isn’t a sustainable industry at the top end) was always going to risk failure especially when McCarthy and Connor left who had been holding everything together. But even that was a response to the previous years of increasing failure the more he backed the football professionals.
Evans was unlucky more than incompetent. Even if that lack of football club management experience certainly contributed. [Post edited 14 Jan 2023 9:55]
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| If Mark aston was CEO when evans first took over where would we be on 10:05 - Jan 14 with 1835 views | Churchman |
| If Mark aston was CEO when evans first took over where would we be on 06:49 - Jan 14 by ElephantintheRoom |
Evans would never have fallen for Ashton and O’Leary’s PowerPoint presentation so I guess we’ll never know the answer to that one. As Town are essentially following the the Bristol Cit franchise model sold to an investment company closer to home I’d suggest, if all had gone well, Town would be where Bristol City are - with the finance company having pulled the plug |
Have you read how and why O’Leary and Ashton became connected with Gamechanger and ITFC? If it’s lies, where is your evidence? There was no PowerPoint presentation.
Bristol City are owned by Lansdown of Hargreaves Lansdown fame. It’s his money and it’s the benign rich ownership model you have lauded for the last 18 months.
As for Evans, that bloke nearly finished this club. With him here, we’d either be in L2 or heading for it. He left this club rotten to the core. Every interview or comment on how things were, every patch of mould on the north stand roof screamed neglect and incompetence.
I don’t recall you ever criticising Evans but regardless, you’ve certainly never offered a serious alternative to the current ownership or any credit to GC20/ME. They’ve done more for this club in 18 months than their predecessors in 20 years yet not a word of praise.
There will be 28000 at the game today. Do you seriously think that’d have happened if Evans claws had still been in the club? |  | | |
| If Mark aston was CEO when evans first took over where would we be on 10:13 - Jan 14 with 1780 views | RegencyBlue |
| If Mark aston was CEO when evans first took over where would we be on 09:52 - Jan 14 by Darth_Koont |
Could certainly have made a difference. Although I think the key aspect of Evans first 6 years or so was that he was unlucky to support Magilton, Keane and Jewell with top 6 funds and ended up with a relegation side.
How he restricted investment and tried to make us sustainable after that (football just isn’t a sustainable industry at the top end) was always going to risk failure especially when McCarthy and Connor left who had been holding everything together. But even that was a response to the previous years of increasing failure the more he backed the football professionals.
Evans was unlucky more than incompetent. Even if that lack of football club management experience certainly contributed. [Post edited 14 Jan 2023 9:55]
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Evans was a wide boy chancer!
Bringing in Clegg to run the club, despite his having no football experience, so he could use his Olympic contacts to get his grubby little mits on London 2012 tickets tells you all you need to know about Evans priorities.
Once his idea of chucking a few million in to get a fast promotion so he could gain access to the Premiership millions blew up spectacularly in his face there was nothing, no plan, no vision, no meaningful investment, just nothing. He didn’t have a clue what he was doing and the club suffered accordingly. |  | | |
| If Mark aston was CEO when evans first took over where would we be on 10:27 - Jan 14 with 1730 views | Freddies_Ears |
| If Mark aston was CEO when evans first took over where would we be on 09:46 - Jan 14 by BlueBadger |
Didn't Evans basically sell up on the basis of Ashton and O'Leary's 'powerpoint presentation'? [Post edited 14 Jan 2023 9:47]
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Hmm, that's a slight simplification! The Americans looked at several EFL clubs in some depth before deciding to go for Town. Even then, the deal took over a year to complete, partly Covid-related, but there was a long period of due diligence long before any deal was finalised.
I expect PowerPoint was used at some stage though!!! | | | |
| If Mark aston was CEO when evans first took over where would we be on 10:54 - Jan 14 with 1657 views | Darth_Koont |
| If Mark aston was CEO when evans first took over where would we be on 10:13 - Jan 14 by RegencyBlue |
Evans was a wide boy chancer!
Bringing in Clegg to run the club, despite his having no football experience, so he could use his Olympic contacts to get his grubby little mits on London 2012 tickets tells you all you need to know about Evans priorities.
Once his idea of chucking a few million in to get a fast promotion so he could gain access to the Premiership millions blew up spectacularly in his face there was nothing, no plan, no vision, no meaningful investment, just nothing. He didn’t have a clue what he was doing and the club suffered accordingly. |
I think that’s a bit of a re-writing of history. For the first 6 years or so, there’s no doubt that he gave his managers resources and patience that they didn’t just fail to capitalise on but even took us backwards.
The squeezing of investment and a more sustainable approach was a perfectly understandable reaction to the eye-wateringly expensive failure of successive football professionals and their squads.
On a side note, and I really don’t want to see this play out, but we might be looking at a similar problem if our current set-up and massive investment at an even lower level doesn’t pay off with promotion this season or next. Will failure be seen as bad luck? Because there’s a much weaker case if so. [Post edited 14 Jan 2023 11:03]
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| If Mark aston was CEO when evans first took over where would we be on 11:11 - Jan 14 with 1627 views | patrickswell |
| If Mark aston was CEO when evans first took over where would we be on 10:54 - Jan 14 by Darth_Koont |
I think that’s a bit of a re-writing of history. For the first 6 years or so, there’s no doubt that he gave his managers resources and patience that they didn’t just fail to capitalise on but even took us backwards.
The squeezing of investment and a more sustainable approach was a perfectly understandable reaction to the eye-wateringly expensive failure of successive football professionals and their squads.
On a side note, and I really don’t want to see this play out, but we might be looking at a similar problem if our current set-up and massive investment at an even lower level doesn’t pay off with promotion this season or next. Will failure be seen as bad luck? Because there’s a much weaker case if so. [Post edited 14 Jan 2023 11:03]
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You make a good point at the end, though one caveat might be that although there will be disappointment if we fail to get promotion this year (or next), a lot will depend on how close we are. Already this year, we look as though we’ve climbed from 11th to top 6 at the very worst (cue 12 game winless run from today onwards) and that may mean that the club may look at just needing to make small improvements to get promoted, because progress will have been made. Compare this to the Keane/Jewell seasons where decent money was paid out and we ended seasons miles off promotion standard only to repeat the same mistakes the following year and again finish as far away from the top 6 as we had the previous season. |  | | |
| If Mark aston was CEO when evans first took over where would we be on 11:23 - Jan 14 with 1593 views | Darth_Koont |
| If Mark aston was CEO when evans first took over where would we be on 11:11 - Jan 14 by patrickswell |
You make a good point at the end, though one caveat might be that although there will be disappointment if we fail to get promotion this year (or next), a lot will depend on how close we are. Already this year, we look as though we’ve climbed from 11th to top 6 at the very worst (cue 12 game winless run from today onwards) and that may mean that the club may look at just needing to make small improvements to get promoted, because progress will have been made. Compare this to the Keane/Jewell seasons where decent money was paid out and we ended seasons miles off promotion standard only to repeat the same mistakes the following year and again finish as far away from the top 6 as we had the previous season. |
Absolutely – we did a lot worse than now in terms of the table and our chances of promotion.
But in a higher league and without the single biggest budget. Back then, there were always a half-dozen sides spending the same and sometimes one or two spending much more.
Magilton, Keane and Jewell took us backwards with very substantial spending and a lot of patience. I can’t really put the blame on Evans for that – even if a more football-savvy presence in the club at CEO etc. would probably have helped. But we’ve got that now and it still has to deliver. Arguably throwing an entirely new squad at it last year and expecting almost immediate results wasn’t the smartest plan even from a footballing perspective. | |
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| If Mark aston was CEO when evans first took over where would we be on 12:58 - Jan 14 with 1462 views | Swansea_Blue |
| If Mark aston was CEO when evans first took over where would we be on 23:15 - Jan 13 by Freddies_Ears |
When Evans joined, the CEO was Derek Bowden, as good a CEO as you'd hope for. Evans fired him & installed Clegg. So, if Ashton had been here, he'd have been fired. If not, he'd have left. |
Yep. Or they’d have had a massive and hugely entertaining bust up in the direct box in front of 20k fans.
No way would Evans have appointed someone like Ashton. He wanted a lackey yes man just to do the admin, not get involved with decisions (that’s what it looked like to me anyway). |  |
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| If Mark aston was CEO when evans first took over where would we be on 13:29 - Jan 14 with 1427 views | Guthrum |
| If Mark aston was CEO when evans first took over where would we be on 10:13 - Jan 14 by RegencyBlue |
Evans was a wide boy chancer!
Bringing in Clegg to run the club, despite his having no football experience, so he could use his Olympic contacts to get his grubby little mits on London 2012 tickets tells you all you need to know about Evans priorities.
Once his idea of chucking a few million in to get a fast promotion so he could gain access to the Premiership millions blew up spectacularly in his face there was nothing, no plan, no vision, no meaningful investment, just nothing. He didn’t have a clue what he was doing and the club suffered accordingly. |
Clegg wasn't brought in to do the job that Ashton is now. He didn't have the executive authority to make those kind of decisions, he didn't have resposibility for the footballing side (that was delegated to the Manager). Even the title was different - Managing Director, not Chief Executive.
A lot of people regarded Clegg and Milne as if they were in some kind of Director of Football role, which was not true.
I don't believe Evans and Ashton would have worked, as the former seemed very loth to delegate that much authority to run the club and had a somewhat old-fashioned attitude in giving all footballing responsibility to the Manager. |  |
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