| Let's put this stat off to bed 18:21 - Jan 17 with 8701 views | TalkingBlues |
On Matchday 21, December 10th v Peterborough (2-1 win) we were top of the table, 1 point ahead of Plymouth and 3 points ahead of Wednesday, having all played the same number of games.
By Matchday 27, January 14th v Plymouth (1-1 draw) we are in 3rd place, 7 points behind Plymouth and 4 points behind Wednesday, having played 1 game less than Plymouth and same as Wednesday.
I'm getting pretty fed up of people criticising those that make comment on our extremely disappointing recent run of games, we have given away a HUGE amount of ground on our 2 main rivals and there's nothing wrong with bemoaning the fact and commenting on how we might improve our situation.
I don't care what way you slice it, for a couple of months, we have been well, well below the performance levels required to be in contention for the automatic promotion places come the end of the season and it has been a progressive decline, with no sign of reversing as yet, perhaps the new signings may help the impetus?
Any of you about to give the "20 games to go" malarkey, well, you said that before at 35, 30, 25, at what point do we stop using that excuse? 10 games? 5? forget the games to go nonsense, we need to see improvement on the pitch, NOW. [Post edited 17 Jan 2023 18:32]
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| Let's put this stat off to bed on 22:27 - Jan 17 with 1620 views | Herbivore |
| Let's put this stat off to bed on 22:25 - Jan 17 by USA |
We were a missed sitter away from losing 1-2. Just saying. |
We were Harness' shot being an inch lower away from winning 2-1. Just saying. |  |
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| Let's put this stat off to bed on 22:29 - Jan 17 with 1607 views | Illinoisblue |
| Let's put this stat off to bed on 22:16 - Jan 17 by FrimleyBlue |
Not true at all. I said he hadn't done anything to earn my trust yet that all will end up positive.
Not the same at all. But you see it how you wish. |
So you’re quite literally saying you don’t trust him! |  |
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| Let's put this stat off to bed on 22:31 - Jan 17 with 1584 views | TalkingBlues |
| Let's put this stat off to bed on 22:27 - Jan 17 by Herbivore |
We were Harness' shot being an inch lower away from winning 2-1. Just saying. |
My auntie once told me she was just one chromosome away from being my uncle. | |
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| Let's put this stat off to bed on 22:36 - Jan 17 with 1573 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Let's put this stat off to bed on 22:29 - Jan 17 by Illinoisblue |
So you’re quite literally saying you don’t trust him! |
Not at all. I trust that he puts a lot of effort into his job and trust that he will do what he can to be successful
However he's not managed a side at senior level before and he's not achieved anything with town for me to have the trust others have that we will get promoted this season. |  |
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| Let's put this stat off to bed on 22:36 - Jan 17 with 1570 views | TalkingBlues |
| Let's put this stat off to bed on 22:27 - Jan 17 by LegendofthePhoenix |
I didn't mean to upvote this, I was trying to upvote LankHenners. Talking Blues, you seem to have a very real problem differentiating between form and results. They are not the same thing. At all. Our form and performances have remained high. The results have been disappointing. As Lank says, once we start getting results going our way, no doubt you will disappear again. Its a 46 game season, not 25. ' |
So, there’s no link between a form table and results? Interesting, I didn’t know that | |
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| Let's put this stat off to bed on 22:44 - Jan 17 with 1557 views | GavTWTD |
| Let's put this stat off to bed on 22:05 - Jan 17 by TalkingBlues |
That’s true, but every other side has suffered the same, injuries, illness, loanees being recalled, but they’ve still been getting results and that’s against the backdrop of just about every club and pundit in the land (and loads of posters here) saying we’ve got the best depth of squad in the league.
Plymouth turned up last weekend having just lost their star player of the season and also had their influential Captain suspended and they still left with a point. We have to win those games if we want automatic promotion, it was the most crucial game of our season to date, against a weakened opposition and we didn’t do the job, in extremely disappointing, but utterly predictable fashion. [Post edited 17 Jan 2023 22:06]
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We don't have to beat Plymouth to get promoted, we need more points than the team in third.
Yes I'm concerned at the poor form but I'm looking forward to the next set of fixtures and seeing our new players. I hope the players aren't reading all this negativity as I don't want them to give up like some of the fans have. |  |
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| Let's put this stat off to bed on 22:45 - Jan 17 with 1545 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
| Let's put this stat off to bed on 22:36 - Jan 17 by TalkingBlues |
So, there’s no link between a form table and results? Interesting, I didn’t know that |
Performances on the field. Not the same as results. The table is only valid at one time. After 46 matches. You can pick and choose "form tables" over different numbers of games, but we all play different teams, at different times, and have injuries and suspensions, bad decisions, bad luck. The only time it is worth a jot is at the end of the season when everyone has played everyone else twice. I have faith in McKenna - best manager we've had in 2 decades. Reminds me of a young Bobby Robson. What would you do, sack him? |  |
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| Let's put this stat off to bed on 22:49 - Jan 17 with 1526 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Let's put this stat off to bed on 22:44 - Jan 17 by GavTWTD |
We don't have to beat Plymouth to get promoted, we need more points than the team in third.
Yes I'm concerned at the poor form but I'm looking forward to the next set of fixtures and seeing our new players. I hope the players aren't reading all this negativity as I don't want them to give up like some of the fans have. |
Well seeing Burgess saying we may be there or thereabouts it doesn't scream confident does it.
Again if players are reading a football forum and letting it get into their heads then sorry but wrong sport to be in.
The club slogan is run towards adversity. If they get spooked by forum comments and give up then it's it's a bit of a naff slogan to have.
The negativity and the 'giving up' can easily change. Its natural. Win a few games rather than getting 15 out of 30 and everyone will be cheering from the roof tops. [Post edited 17 Jan 2023 22:51]
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| Let's put this stat off to bed on 22:52 - Jan 17 with 1521 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Let's put this stat off to bed on 22:45 - Jan 17 by LegendofthePhoenix |
Performances on the field. Not the same as results. The table is only valid at one time. After 46 matches. You can pick and choose "form tables" over different numbers of games, but we all play different teams, at different times, and have injuries and suspensions, bad decisions, bad luck. The only time it is worth a jot is at the end of the season when everyone has played everyone else twice. I have faith in McKenna - best manager we've had in 2 decades. Reminds me of a young Bobby Robson. What would you do, sack him? |
It's interesting
You say one minute only the table at the end of season counts.
Yet you claim KM is the best manager in 2 decades.
Surely the latter can't be true until we see what he ends up doing here.. | |
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| Let's put this stat off to bed on 22:54 - Jan 17 with 1522 views | TalkingBlues |
| Let's put this stat off to bed on 22:44 - Jan 17 by GavTWTD |
We don't have to beat Plymouth to get promoted, we need more points than the team in third.
Yes I'm concerned at the poor form but I'm looking forward to the next set of fixtures and seeing our new players. I hope the players aren't reading all this negativity as I don't want them to give up like some of the fans have. |
I’m not trying to be negative (failed at that obviously, lol) but I am bitterly disappointed with our recent run, which is most likely something to do with the last god knows how many years of broken dreams under ME. Honestly, I’m not sure I’ll be able to look for just the positives until we’ve actually got out of this bloody league. I desperately want to see Broadhead and Hirst stake a claim and fire us into promotion in the remaining games and I’d like to see a few more additions in other positions in this window to help them do it.
I don’t think the players could expect much different from the fan base over the last few weeks, they’ve not been up to the high standards set earlier in the season and I’m pretty sure many of them would admit to that, but we know what they can do and I hope they start doing it again this week. I’d really like to put 5 or 6 goals on a team at some point, everything just to click, we are more than capable of it. | |
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| Let's put this stat off to bed on 22:56 - Jan 17 with 1503 views | pointofblue |
| Let's put this stat off to bed on 22:27 - Jan 17 by LegendofthePhoenix |
I didn't mean to upvote this, I was trying to upvote LankHenners. Talking Blues, you seem to have a very real problem differentiating between form and results. They are not the same thing. At all. Our form and performances have remained high. The results have been disappointing. As Lank says, once we start getting results going our way, no doubt you will disappear again. Its a 46 game season, not 25. ' |
I don't have so much confidence about our performances as some. We struggled to breakdown ten man Lincoln and gave them a penalty, however soft. We looked slightly lost at Wycombe after they took the lead. Portsmouth went into our game on a terrible run of form, and returned to it afterwards, but we failed to take advantage, with an ok but hardly sparkling performance. Oxford and Rotherham were very good, but we're very inconsistent at the moment and the results are backing it up.
And yet would there be this level of introspection had we not conceded that deflected shot on Saturday? Probably not. |  |
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| Let's put this stat off to bed on 23:15 - Jan 17 with 1462 views | TalkingBlues |
| Let's put this stat off to bed on 22:45 - Jan 17 by LegendofthePhoenix |
Performances on the field. Not the same as results. The table is only valid at one time. After 46 matches. You can pick and choose "form tables" over different numbers of games, but we all play different teams, at different times, and have injuries and suspensions, bad decisions, bad luck. The only time it is worth a jot is at the end of the season when everyone has played everyone else twice. I have faith in McKenna - best manager we've had in 2 decades. Reminds me of a young Bobby Robson. What would you do, sack him? |
As you say, ultimate judgement will be levied at the end of the season, but don’t underestimate the power of data, many decisions in the world of football are based on it these days, including player recruitment, which is the ultimate acknowledgement of the value of said data. | |
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| Let's put this stat off to bed on 00:44 - Jan 18 with 1421 views | Guthrum |
It's basically three games, losing at Wycombe, plus the draws at Portsmouth and Lincoln. That's what has made the difference between us being 1st and 3rd.
Three games in which we went behind and had to fight back (or didn't manage to, in the case of Wycombe). One penalty, a free kick and a big bloke barging into the area.
If it changed that much in three games, it can do so again just as quickly - assuming we don't let this turn into a genuine slump. |  |
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| Let's put this stat off to bed on 06:18 - Jan 18 with 1378 views | billlm |
| Let's put this stat off to bed on 22:27 - Jan 17 by Herbivore |
We were Harness' shot being an inch lower away from winning 2-1. Just saying. |
True, the other two have easy home games Saturday we have a tricky one,
Win that and Morecambe coming up Tuesday the board here will be rosy again I'm sure, |  | | |
| Let's put this stat off to bed on 06:50 - Jan 18 with 1363 views | Horsham |
Recent form not so good.
Lots of reasons to believe based on past form and performances and decent squad reinforcements that we are more than capable of turning it round.
Lots of games to go and every chance we can still make the top 2 but negativity permeating from forums, social media and the stands will not help.
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| Let's put this stat off to bed on 07:00 - Jan 18 with 1341 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Let's put this stat off to bed on 22:25 - Jan 17 by USA |
We were a missed sitter away from losing 1-2. Just saying. |
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@TalkingBlues: The tedious reply should have been posted to the original. |  |
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| Let's put this stat off to bed on 07:02 - Jan 18 with 1343 views | Kropotkin123 |
There is a few things going on for me.
Fact
- We haven't been getting points at the rate were.
Opinions I agree with
- The attack haven't scored as much as they should, given the opportunities they have had
- We demonstrate a mentality fragility that has resulted in us not getting the points our play has deserved
- Our defense has conceeded some comparitively poor goals.
- We need to improve quickly, if we want to end up in the top two
Opinions I disagree with
- We don't score enough
- We play badly
- McKenna has done nothing to earn our trust
Other observations
- Some "supporters" deliberately take a negative view on things that we have no clue about, rather than just supporting the team. For example, we sign two fowards and the reaction is "they could be massive flops". Both players have excellent scoring records at this level. It's tedious. It devalues legitimate negative points of discussion.
- Calling fans who just want to support their local football team "happy clappers" and other such pathetic digs is embarrasing
- Some negative reactions are exagerated to cause arguments, entitled and/or babyish. | |
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| Let's put this stat off to bed on 07:56 - Jan 18 with 1278 views | PioneerBlue |
4 pages of debate says you haven’t put to bed people criticising those that make comment on our extremely disappointing recent run of games. | |
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| Let's put this stat off to bed on 08:24 - Jan 18 with 1226 views | NeedhamChris |
| Let's put this stat off to bed on 00:44 - Jan 18 by Guthrum |
It's basically three games, losing at Wycombe, plus the draws at Portsmouth and Lincoln. That's what has made the difference between us being 1st and 3rd.
Three games in which we went behind and had to fight back (or didn't manage to, in the case of Wycombe). One penalty, a free kick and a big bloke barging into the area.
If it changed that much in three games, it can do so again just as quickly - assuming we don't let this turn into a genuine slump. |
I'm not saying it's a disaster, but when you say don't let it turn into a genuine slump - being 9th over the last 10 games isn't much better than a slump.
I think you have to include Cheltenham, Fleetwood and even Lincoln at home, plus Charlton away. They're also the difference between us being 1st,2nd or 3rd. Better results there and the dynamic of the Plymouth game changes.
I get what you're saying but on the one hand people are arguing that you have to look at a bigger sample of game than the last 10, but then also arguing that our current position is down to just three games.
I don't mind the draw against Plymouth, I'm more concerned we are struggling to hold on to leads or win games from losing positions - and ultimately that in our last 10 matches our form is below playoff form.
I think we can turn it around but it needs significant improvement in results and very quickly. | |
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| Let's put this stat off to bed on 08:25 - Jan 18 with 1215 views | itfcsuth |
Oh dear.
Results have dipped, nobody has denied that - McKenna will know that, the players will know that, the staff will know that - do you think people have got their head in the sand thinking results have been A*.
But lets no be an over dramatic prima donna - we remain a good side, at times a very good side.
We have come on so much since the PC and PL time in L1 - the level of development under KMc has been fantastic, the only concern for me in the cutting edge from a no.9, and I hope Hirst & Broadhead will provide the answer to that.
We may not finish top 2, Sheff Wed and Plymouth may pip the autos, but you dust yourself off, and head in to the play-offs with confidence that you can win them.
Don't be a helmet. [Post edited 18 Jan 2023 9:05]
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| Let's put this stat off to bed on 09:01 - Jan 18 with 1143 views | GavTWTD |
| Let's put this stat off to bed on 07:02 - Jan 18 by Kropotkin123 |
There is a few things going on for me.
Fact
- We haven't been getting points at the rate were.
Opinions I agree with
- The attack haven't scored as much as they should, given the opportunities they have had
- We demonstrate a mentality fragility that has resulted in us not getting the points our play has deserved
- Our defense has conceeded some comparitively poor goals.
- We need to improve quickly, if we want to end up in the top two
Opinions I disagree with
- We don't score enough
- We play badly
- McKenna has done nothing to earn our trust
Other observations
- Some "supporters" deliberately take a negative view on things that we have no clue about, rather than just supporting the team. For example, we sign two fowards and the reaction is "they could be massive flops". Both players have excellent scoring records at this level. It's tedious. It devalues legitimate negative points of discussion.
- Calling fans who just want to support their local football team "happy clappers" and other such pathetic digs is embarrasing
- Some negative reactions are exagerated to cause arguments, entitled and/or babyish. |
Agree with all that.
Another thing which I disagree with which I've read on this forum in recent days is that McKenna should be sacked if we don't get promoted this season. | |
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| Let's put this stat off to bed on 09:02 - Jan 18 with 1138 views | Guthrum |
| Let's put this stat off to bed on 08:24 - Jan 18 by NeedhamChris |
I'm not saying it's a disaster, but when you say don't let it turn into a genuine slump - being 9th over the last 10 games isn't much better than a slump.
I think you have to include Cheltenham, Fleetwood and even Lincoln at home, plus Charlton away. They're also the difference between us being 1st,2nd or 3rd. Better results there and the dynamic of the Plymouth game changes.
I get what you're saying but on the one hand people are arguing that you have to look at a bigger sample of game than the last 10, but then also arguing that our current position is down to just three games.
I don't mind the draw against Plymouth, I'm more concerned we are struggling to hold on to leads or win games from losing positions - and ultimately that in our last 10 matches our form is below playoff form.
I think we can turn it around but it needs significant improvement in results and very quickly. |
I was addressing the OP's specific point about that time period.
When saying 'slump', I was thinking of ITFC's traditional post-New Year crash in form which has frequently seen us fall away from advantageous (or safe) League positions.
We can't expect to win every game, even against middle-ranking teams (Plym and SW don't, either). All will slip up sometimes. We just have to make sure it doesn't become a consistent run of draws with the odd loss. Get the new men bedded in and push on. | |
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| Let's put this stat off to bed on 09:06 - Jan 18 with 1134 views | blueasfook |
| Let's put this stat off to bed on 09:01 - Jan 18 by GavTWTD |
Agree with all that.
Another thing which I disagree with which I've read on this forum in recent days is that McKenna should be sacked if we don't get promoted this season. |
I disagree with that too. We should sack him NOW!
*This is a joke before the board serious guys jump on me |  |
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| Let's put this stat off to bed on 09:13 - Jan 18 with 1114 views | Guthrum |
| Let's put this stat off to bed on 09:01 - Jan 18 by GavTWTD |
Agree with all that.
Another thing which I disagree with which I've read on this forum in recent days is that McKenna should be sacked if we don't get promoted this season. |
Sacking McKenna would be insane (unless we were somehow battling relegation). Who do they think we should replace him with?? | |
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| Let's put this stat off to bed on 09:20 - Jan 18 with 1090 views | TalkingBlues |
| Let's put this stat off to bed on 07:02 - Jan 18 by Kropotkin123 |
There is a few things going on for me.
Fact
- We haven't been getting points at the rate were.
Opinions I agree with
- The attack haven't scored as much as they should, given the opportunities they have had
- We demonstrate a mentality fragility that has resulted in us not getting the points our play has deserved
- Our defense has conceeded some comparitively poor goals.
- We need to improve quickly, if we want to end up in the top two
Opinions I disagree with
- We don't score enough
- We play badly
- McKenna has done nothing to earn our trust
Other observations
- Some "supporters" deliberately take a negative view on things that we have no clue about, rather than just supporting the team. For example, we sign two fowards and the reaction is "they could be massive flops". Both players have excellent scoring records at this level. It's tedious. It devalues legitimate negative points of discussion.
- Calling fans who just want to support their local football team "happy clappers" and other such pathetic digs is embarrasing
- Some negative reactions are exagerated to cause arguments, entitled and/or babyish. |
Largely agree with you, just a couple of things I would say, on the "could be massive flops" you've taken it completely out of context and you know it, I've already explained that, we've signed 2 forwards, but we have no idea how successful they'll be, they could be brilliant, or it might not work at all. Broadhead is already injured and missed the most important game of our season to date the other hasn't played any meaningful minutes for a long time and comes with a mixed record at this level, half a season brilliant, half a season non-existent, which one are we getting? We simply don't know what they are going to give us until we see them playing consistent minutes, but certainly it appears (given their respective situations right now) that the answer to that is "not much in the immediate term" which is a bit of an issue given that the idea behind transfers this window was to buy better than what we had and immediately reverse the decline in results.
The last few points you make about people slagging each other off works both ways, but IMO there's far more hostility recently towards people airing views that don't purely look at something that might be construed as positive, at a time when fans can justifiably be asking questions about the team performances. | |
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