| Let's put this stat off to bed 18:21 - Jan 17 with 8704 views | TalkingBlues |
On Matchday 21, December 10th v Peterborough (2-1 win) we were top of the table, 1 point ahead of Plymouth and 3 points ahead of Wednesday, having all played the same number of games.
By Matchday 27, January 14th v Plymouth (1-1 draw) we are in 3rd place, 7 points behind Plymouth and 4 points behind Wednesday, having played 1 game less than Plymouth and same as Wednesday.
I'm getting pretty fed up of people criticising those that make comment on our extremely disappointing recent run of games, we have given away a HUGE amount of ground on our 2 main rivals and there's nothing wrong with bemoaning the fact and commenting on how we might improve our situation.
I don't care what way you slice it, for a couple of months, we have been well, well below the performance levels required to be in contention for the automatic promotion places come the end of the season and it has been a progressive decline, with no sign of reversing as yet, perhaps the new signings may help the impetus?
Any of you about to give the "20 games to go" malarkey, well, you said that before at 35, 30, 25, at what point do we stop using that excuse? 10 games? 5? forget the games to go nonsense, we need to see improvement on the pitch, NOW. [Post edited 17 Jan 2023 18:32]
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| Let's put this stat off to bed on 20:09 - Jan 17 with 1083 views | homer_123 |
| Let's put this stat off to bed on 20:03 - Jan 17 by FrimleyBlue |
Personally I think there's a few who genuinely don't see a problem with it. I personally don't see how you can feel concerns but then be so aggressive with those who share those concerned thoughts. ( when I say you that's a general view not you specially it that makes sense) |
Well...I think I cover it in my reply to the OP. |  |
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| Let's put this stat off to bed on 20:09 - Jan 17 with 1083 views | TalkingBlues |
| Let's put this stat off to bed on 20:01 - Jan 17 by homer_123 |
Can we not be concerned with current form but enthused at the same time?
3rd, 4pts of second...playing some of the best football we've seen in years. The Club having an utterly different feel with new owners. Investment on and off the pitch...a young manager that looks like he knows what he's doing...players wanting to play for the club.
Whilst recognising we need to get out of this division. And winning is the best was to achieve this and just recently we are marginally off the boil. |
Of course we can and most of us were both until recently, we still see the great things happening to the club off the pitch and there’s been some measurable improvement on it compared to previous years. However, the on field performances have been measurably poor for a couple of months now and no matter how enthusiastic we all are about the investment in the club etc, there’s only 1 goal for the fans and owners and that’s to secure promotion from the league, a prospect that has recently taken a big dent.
Based on the above, it’s hardly surprising that some of us are feeling a little deflated currently, we’ve seen things spiral out of control before from here, only time will tell if we can arrest the decline in form. In the meantime, I’ll remain concerned about the gaps that have opened up. | |
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| Let's put this stat off to bed on 20:12 - Jan 17 with 1069 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Let's put this stat off to bed on 20:09 - Jan 17 by homer_123 |
Well...I think I cover it in my reply to the OP. |
Difficult one. I think it's falls very close to the line of 'at least the footballs good'
There's no real right or wrong tbh. It is what it is as they say. Hopefully come Sunday we are all just talking about a lovely 3 points and maybe even a closed gap to the too. That's all we want. |  |
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| Right… let’s get into the detail!! on 20:16 - Jan 17 with 1069 views | unstableblue |
I think you’re being a bit over dramatic, over critical, not considering the games in that run sufficiently and interestingly you highlight how quickly the league can change. But some criticism is valid.
Yes, we’ve slipped behind our two automatic rivals over 5 games. One rival with a better squad, one who is 2 years ahead of us in a project transforming for promotion.
You’re focussing on 5 games, below. And you are absolutely right to criticise the Wycombe result. But even that has caveats.
So P5 W1 D3 L1
15 points available only 6 secured
1.2 PPG
It’s not good, is it.
The devil is in the detail though, so here we go…
17 Dec Wycombe 1 - Ipswich 0
Chaplin and Ladapo failed to turn up, and our defence let through a runner. BUT Wycombe were in real form, are horrible to play against, and are very well managed. Our fans were terrible. Evans was unfit and Harness was unavailable. But we dominated.
26 Dec Ipswich 3 - Oxford 0
Errrr… probably one of the best displays of the season, against one of the form teams who came very strong and gave a good account. We were excellent. Harness came back like a freight train. Evans, sh!t at Wycombe excelled.
29 Dec Portsmouth 2 - Ipswich 2
Failing Pompey were at last chance saloon. Got luck with a foul that should have never been given. Score a worldie as a result, unstoppable. We equalise and dominate, despite Harness and a few being terrible. Defensive muck up lead to another Pompey lead - but we still claw back the point. Ladapo misses a good chance.
2 Jan Lincoln 1 - Ipswich 1
Lincoln don’t lose at home. They’ve drawn 1-1 with both our promotion rivals.
14 Jan Ipswich 1 - Plymouth 1
A humdinger of an occasion, against a very tough opponent, a draw a fair result. But we had the chance to see it out. Harness and Ladapo miss good chances, they an even better one.
That run of results without Oxford on boxing day is very different. Hold on to that. And the fact the issue has been in attack, which hopefully we've addressed.
We go again.
We need 7 from the next 3… don’t freak if Oxford is a draw.
We don’t lose… it is only Ipswich beating itself. Wins against Morecambe and Cambridge are essential.
Don’t panic [Post edited 17 Jan 2023 20:57]
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| Let's put this stat off to bed on 20:18 - Jan 17 with 1060 views | Mullet |
Why do people do this? All this binary you and us, misery and disastering dressed up as analysis.
If you've lost faith in McKenna and the players that's your issue, but the idea we're out of anything is ludicrous. |  |
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| Let's put this stat off to bed on 20:28 - Jan 17 with 1022 views | TalkingBlues |
| Let's put this stat off to bed on 20:18 - Jan 17 by Mullet |
Why do people do this? All this binary you and us, misery and disastering dressed up as analysis.
If you've lost faith in McKenna and the players that's your issue, but the idea we're out of anything is ludicrous. |
Couldn’t be further from the truth, literally resembles nothing from the OP whatsoever. Read again and then tell me what relationship it has to anything you’ve posted, there isn’t any. [Post edited 17 Jan 2023 20:37]
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| Let's put this stat off to bed on 20:41 - Jan 17 with 1003 views | Mullet |
| Let's put this stat off to bed on 20:28 - Jan 17 by TalkingBlues |
Couldn’t be further from the truth, literally resembles nothing from the OP whatsoever. Read again and then tell me what relationship it has to anything you’ve posted, there isn’t any. [Post edited 17 Jan 2023 20:37]
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| Let's put this stat off to bed on 20:45 - Jan 17 with 993 views | PioneerBlue |
Calm yourself down you are sounding like you own the club rather than support it |  |
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| Let's put this stat off to bed on 20:50 - Jan 17 with 966 views | TalkingBlues |
| Let's put this stat off to bed on 20:41 - Jan 17 by Mullet |
We're 3 pages in. Try again. |
I made my point and have maintained my stance throughout. I don’t like the OTT hostility towards posters who are as concerned as I am about our dramatic swing in points vs our 2 main rivals (with no obvious signs of reversal, yet) and have put myself in the “concerned” camp alongside others.
I just don’t see what positives there are to take from the last couple of months performances and they look horrendous when compared to Plymouth and Wednesday. | |
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| Let's put this stat off to bed on 20:55 - Jan 17 with 946 views | TalkingBlues |
| Let's put this stat off to bed on 20:45 - Jan 17 by PioneerBlue |
Calm yourself down you are sounding like you own the club rather than support it |
Diazepam do the trick you reckon? | |
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| Right… let’s get into the detail!! on 21:01 - Jan 17 with 918 views | NeedhamChris |
| Right… let’s get into the detail!! on 20:16 - Jan 17 by unstableblue |
I think you’re being a bit over dramatic, over critical, not considering the games in that run sufficiently and interestingly you highlight how quickly the league can change. But some criticism is valid.
Yes, we’ve slipped behind our two automatic rivals over 5 games. One rival with a better squad, one who is 2 years ahead of us in a project transforming for promotion.
You’re focussing on 5 games, below. And you are absolutely right to criticise the Wycombe result. But even that has caveats.
So P5 W1 D3 L1
15 points available only 6 secured
1.2 PPG
It’s not good, is it.
The devil is in the detail though, so here we go…
17 Dec Wycombe 1 - Ipswich 0
Chaplin and Ladapo failed to turn up, and our defence let through a runner. BUT Wycombe were in real form, are horrible to play against, and are very well managed. Our fans were terrible. Evans was unfit and Harness was unavailable. But we dominated.
26 Dec Ipswich 3 - Oxford 0
Errrr… probably one of the best displays of the season, against one of the form teams who came very strong and gave a good account. We were excellent. Harness came back like a freight train. Evans, sh!t at Wycombe excelled.
29 Dec Portsmouth 2 - Ipswich 2
Failing Pompey were at last chance saloon. Got luck with a foul that should have never been given. Score a worldie as a result, unstoppable. We equalise and dominate, despite Harness and a few being terrible. Defensive muck up lead to another Pompey lead - but we still claw back the point. Ladapo misses a good chance.
2 Jan Lincoln 1 - Ipswich 1
Lincoln don’t lose at home. They’ve drawn 1-1 with both our promotion rivals.
14 Jan Ipswich 1 - Plymouth 1
A humdinger of an occasion, against a very tough opponent, a draw a fair result. But we had the chance to see it out. Harness and Ladapo miss good chances, they an even better one.
That run of results without Oxford on boxing day is very different. Hold on to that. And the fact the issue has been in attack, which hopefully we've addressed.
We go again.
We need 7 from the next 3… don’t freak if Oxford is a draw.
We don’t lose… it is only Ipswich beating itself. Wins against Morecambe and Cambridge are essential.
Don’t panic [Post edited 17 Jan 2023 20:57]
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This posts starts sensible, but by the match by match reasons/excuses feels a bit like you're throwing reasons and hoping some stick.
You're seriously including the fans being terrible at Wycombe as part of the reason for that defeat? That's a bit desperate.
I'm in the same camp here as Swansea (although it seems more fashionable on here to respond to Frimley) - it's not been good enough recently but season is by no means over either | |
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| Let's put this stat off to bed on 21:11 - Jan 17 with 883 views | xrayspecs |
| Let's put this stat off to bed on 18:47 - Jan 17 by Dubtractor |
It is nonsensical hyperbole, and to be blunt it is fooking boring.
Are the present results good enough? No.
Are we a million miles off? Also no.
Are we failing miserably? Get in the bin you fool. |
Agreed.
We live in a world of over-reaction. | | | |
| Right… let’s get into the detail!! on 21:18 - Jan 17 with 861 views | unstableblue |
| Right… let’s get into the detail!! on 21:01 - Jan 17 by NeedhamChris |
This posts starts sensible, but by the match by match reasons/excuses feels a bit like you're throwing reasons and hoping some stick.
You're seriously including the fans being terrible at Wycombe as part of the reason for that defeat? That's a bit desperate.
I'm in the same camp here as Swansea (although it seems more fashionable on here to respond to Frimley) - it's not been good enough recently but season is by no means over either |
Ha Ha.. it is interesting how people critique others without actually reading and interpreting the post in question!
First off...
You said:
"You're seriously including the fans being terrible at Wycombe as part of the reason for that defeat? That's a bit desperate."
I'd actually said:
"You’re focussing on 5 games, below. And you are absolutely right to criticise the Wycombe result."
I am clearly not excusing the Wycombe defeat, it was a performance to criticise, the worst of the five by far. Furthermore I said:
"17 Dec Wycombe 1 - Ipswich 0
Chaplin and Ladapo failed to turn up, and our defence let through a runner. BUT Wycombe were in real form, are horrible to play against, and are very well managed. Our fans were terrible. Evans was unfit and Harness was unavailable. But we dominated."
Were you at the game? The reason we lost at Wycombe is because key players (Chaplin, Ladapo, Evans) didn't turn up and out defence parted like the red sea!! Our fans being terrible was valid because they were feckin sh!te, and offered nothing to fire up the team.. just waited for Town to fire up. Which is a valid reason. [Post edited 17 Jan 2023 21:53]
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| Let's put this stat off to bed on 21:43 - Jan 17 with 810 views | WestSussexBlue |
| Let's put this stat off to bed on 18:46 - Jan 17 by TalkingBlues |
We have conceded 8 points to Plymouth and 7 to Wednesday in a handful of games, in what way are we not failing miserably to keep ourselves in contention with them? |
Comparing the last Six games for both ourselves and Plymouth we’ve had considerably tougher fixtures with Peterborough, Wycombe, Portsmouth, and Plymouth themselves in there as well as Lincoln who’s home record is strong. You can also add into the mix 14 days of sickness in the squad.
Plymouth on the other hand have had granted, tough games at Ours and against Wycombe but have also played Mk dons, Cheltenham and Morecambe.
Losing ground isn’t as straightforward as it seems and all will balance out and teams will finish the season in their rightful positions once 46 games are done. | | | |
| Let's put this stat off to bed on 21:43 - Jan 17 with 811 views | Vegtablue |
| Let's put this stat off to bed on 20:50 - Jan 17 by TalkingBlues |
I made my point and have maintained my stance throughout. I don’t like the OTT hostility towards posters who are as concerned as I am about our dramatic swing in points vs our 2 main rivals (with no obvious signs of reversal, yet) and have put myself in the “concerned” camp alongside others.
I just don’t see what positives there are to take from the last couple of months performances and they look horrendous when compared to Plymouth and Wednesday. |
I have a sneaky suspicion you may be losing the crowd with adjectives like 'horrendous' 😅. I share concerns that we are underdogs in the battle now and have yet to find the answers we need at both ends of the pitch, but this is written through the lens of competition with the two biggest points accumulators in the football league in 2022. It is a pretty exceptional benchmark isn't it?
And our performances haven't been dramatically off. I'd argue we've earned as few points as we could have anticipated for the manner in which we've played over the last two months. We've hardly sucker-punched anyone and have been on the receiving end of a fair few. | | | |
| Let's put this stat off to bed on 21:50 - Jan 17 with 788 views | Bruin56 |
But it hasn’t helped that we have had a good number of the squad I’ll or injured over that period | | | |
| Let's put this stat off to bed on 21:58 - Jan 17 with 752 views | TalkingBlues |
| Let's put this stat off to bed on 21:43 - Jan 17 by Vegtablue |
I have a sneaky suspicion you may be losing the crowd with adjectives like 'horrendous' 😅. I share concerns that we are underdogs in the battle now and have yet to find the answers we need at both ends of the pitch, but this is written through the lens of competition with the two biggest points accumulators in the football league in 2022. It is a pretty exceptional benchmark isn't it?
And our performances haven't been dramatically off. I'd argue we've earned as few points as we could have anticipated for the manner in which we've played over the last two months. We've hardly sucker-punched anyone and have been on the receiving end of a fair few. |
I know what you mean, but the trouble is that we have to benchmark ourselves against the best teams in the division, otherwise we aren’t winning automatic promotion and as we know all too well, the playoffs are a complete lottery and the best team doesn’t always win, just the best team on the day.
It’s not just those 2 teams that we’ve fallen away from either, teams below us have gained substantial ground on us too and we could soon find ourselves pressure from above and below, something we’ve not experienced all season and none of us know how the players will respond to that. There is very good reason to be concerned IMO. | |
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| Let's put this stat off to bed on 22:05 - Jan 17 with 735 views | TalkingBlues |
| Let's put this stat off to bed on 21:50 - Jan 17 by Bruin56 |
But it hasn’t helped that we have had a good number of the squad I’ll or injured over that period |
That’s true, but every other side has suffered the same, injuries, illness, loanees being recalled, but they’ve still been getting results and that’s against the backdrop of just about every club and pundit in the land (and loads of posters here) saying we’ve got the best depth of squad in the league.
Plymouth turned up last weekend having just lost their star player of the season and also had their influential Captain suspended and they still left with a point. We have to win those games if we want automatic promotion, it was the most crucial game of our season to date, against a weakened opposition and we didn’t do the job, in extremely disappointing, but utterly predictable fashion. [Post edited 17 Jan 2023 22:06]
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| Let's put this stat off to bed on 22:11 - Jan 17 with 707 views | Illinoisblue |
| Let's put this stat off to bed on 20:09 - Jan 17 by TalkingBlues |
Of course we can and most of us were both until recently, we still see the great things happening to the club off the pitch and there’s been some measurable improvement on it compared to previous years. However, the on field performances have been measurably poor for a couple of months now and no matter how enthusiastic we all are about the investment in the club etc, there’s only 1 goal for the fans and owners and that’s to secure promotion from the league, a prospect that has recently taken a big dent.
Based on the above, it’s hardly surprising that some of us are feeling a little deflated currently, we’ve seen things spiral out of control before from here, only time will tell if we can arrest the decline in form. In the meantime, I’ll remain concerned about the gaps that have opened up. |
Nobody is not concerned about our form, just some choose to react differently. One of those you’re defending insisted at the weekend that McKenna can’t be trusted. |  |
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| Let's put this stat off to bed on 22:15 - Jan 17 with 696 views | LankHenners |
| Let's put this stat off to bed on 20:18 - Jan 17 by Mullet |
Why do people do this? All this binary you and us, misery and disastering dressed up as analysis.
If you've lost faith in McKenna and the players that's your issue, but the idea we're out of anything is ludicrous. |
OP is one of several posters who have spent the whole season doing nothing but finding negative angles and cropping up for a whinge after dropped points then throwing their toys out the pram when they get picked up on it, ironically claiming it's other people that don't like having their views challenged or whatever.
Really tedious stuff. |  |
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| Let's put this stat off to bed on 22:16 - Jan 17 with 683 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Let's put this stat off to bed on 22:11 - Jan 17 by Illinoisblue |
Nobody is not concerned about our form, just some choose to react differently. One of those you’re defending insisted at the weekend that McKenna can’t be trusted. |
Not true at all. I said he hadn't done anything to earn my trust yet that all will end up positive.
Not the same at all. But you see it how you wish. | |
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| Let's put this stat off to bed on 22:18 - Jan 17 with 677 views | TalkingBlues |
| Let's put this stat off to bed on 22:11 - Jan 17 by Illinoisblue |
Nobody is not concerned about our form, just some choose to react differently. One of those you’re defending insisted at the weekend that McKenna can’t be trusted. |
Everyone has a different viewpoint, but I certainly don’t think anyones view is invalid. People have every right to question the manager after our recent run, has he got anything in the bank to turn this around? I don’t know. Certainly there were a lot of people on here moaning about the substitutions he made at the weekend, he’s not infallible. | |
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| Let's put this stat off to bed on 22:25 - Jan 17 with 623 views | USA |
| Let's put this stat off to bed on 18:41 - Jan 17 by Herbivore |
Failing miserably? We were a deflection away from beating Plymouth and we're continuing to dominate almost every game. Bad luck and bad decisions and execution in the final third have been costing us but we are nowhere near as far off performance wise as you are making out. |
We were a missed sitter away from losing 1-2. Just saying. | |
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| Let's put this stat off to bed on 22:26 - Jan 17 with 621 views | TalkingBlues |
| Let's put this stat off to bed on 22:15 - Jan 17 by LankHenners |
OP is one of several posters who have spent the whole season doing nothing but finding negative angles and cropping up for a whinge after dropped points then throwing their toys out the pram when they get picked up on it, ironically claiming it's other people that don't like having their views challenged or whatever.
Really tedious stuff. |
Actually, quite the opposite, I purposely only posted criticism after a win for quite some time in here.
You can’t win either way on here, when you post criticism after a win you get backlash for not just being happy with the points and when you levy criticism after a loss, you get the sort of comment you’ve just made and it’s for that reason that I just post when I’m feeling like it these days.
If it’s that tedious to you , don’t read it. | |
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| Let's put this stat off to bed on 22:27 - Jan 17 with 612 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
| Let's put this stat off to bed on 22:18 - Jan 17 by TalkingBlues |
Everyone has a different viewpoint, but I certainly don’t think anyones view is invalid. People have every right to question the manager after our recent run, has he got anything in the bank to turn this around? I don’t know. Certainly there were a lot of people on here moaning about the substitutions he made at the weekend, he’s not infallible. |
I didn't mean to upvote this, I was trying to upvote LankHenners. Talking Blues, you seem to have a very real problem differentiating between form and results. They are not the same thing. At all. Our form and performances have remained high. The results have been disappointing. As Lank says, once we start getting results going our way, no doubt you will disappear again. Its a 46 game season, not 25. ' |  |
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