| Lineker's social media comments 09:09 - Mar 8 with 11784 views | Trequartista |
I understand Lineker is a high profile presenter for a public broadcaster, and he mildly irritates me on motd, but for goodness sake, is it not obvious that freedom of speech has to apply to everyone.
He's not broadcasting these views on the Ten O'Clock News. I think that those who cite cancel culture as a thing (as i do) and then think Lineker should be silenced over this (as i don't) are a perfect example of those 'fighting the culture wars' for want of a better description. |  |
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| Lineker's social media comments on 10:35 - Mar 9 with 1273 views | HighgateBlue |
I dislike the government's policy and messaging in this area vehemently. I also approve of your measured tone in this area which often invites hyperbole.
However, my one concern is that the impartiality of the BBC is absolutely vital. If we decide to scrap impartiality, then we are on a very swift road to the likes of Fox News taking over the airwaves in this country, and I think most on this thread would absolutely hate to see that happen.
As I say, I strongly disagree with the government's approach. But just as with Brexit, however strongly we feel, this is not a question of whether Lineker is 'right' or not - he is expressing an opinion. He is most certainly right when he compares how many refugees we take compared with other countries, and it is vital that the public understand that fact. But that is not the element of his tweet for which he is being criticised.
Lineker has 8.7m twitter followers, and clearly his BBC platform has garnered those, and makes them more attentive. He may well be perceived as a 'goody', but if rules on the publication of personal political opinion are relaxed for him, they may well be relaxed for those with a very very different viewpoint, and we know from Trump where that can lead. |  | | |
| Lineker's social media comments on 10:41 - Mar 9 with 1256 views | noggin |
| Lineker's social media comments on 10:35 - Mar 9 by HighgateBlue |
I dislike the government's policy and messaging in this area vehemently. I also approve of your measured tone in this area which often invites hyperbole.
However, my one concern is that the impartiality of the BBC is absolutely vital. If we decide to scrap impartiality, then we are on a very swift road to the likes of Fox News taking over the airwaves in this country, and I think most on this thread would absolutely hate to see that happen.
As I say, I strongly disagree with the government's approach. But just as with Brexit, however strongly we feel, this is not a question of whether Lineker is 'right' or not - he is expressing an opinion. He is most certainly right when he compares how many refugees we take compared with other countries, and it is vital that the public understand that fact. But that is not the element of his tweet for which he is being criticised.
Lineker has 8.7m twitter followers, and clearly his BBC platform has garnered those, and makes them more attentive. He may well be perceived as a 'goody', but if rules on the publication of personal political opinion are relaxed for him, they may well be relaxed for those with a very very different viewpoint, and we know from Trump where that can lead. |
So anyone working for the BBC should not be allowed to express their political views, even when 'off duty'? Isn't that how fascism works? |  |
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| Lineker's social media comments on 10:45 - Mar 9 with 1244 views | itfcjoe |
| Lineker's social media comments on 10:29 - Mar 9 by Darth_Koont |
Disclaimer: This is about the BBC’s political coverage and mostly domestic politics but does extend into the geo-political too. And certainly not to devalue the BBC’s wider remit that includes sport, culture, radio, local broadcasting and world/regional services, the vast majority of which is an important service for any developed nation and its citizens.
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This is more of a general response to claims of impartiality at the BBC but that is certainly not true. It’s quite clear from its key appointments, general coverage and editorialising when that happens that it’s fully part of the establishment.
Which is fine as a bulwark against the more rabid right-wing populism and journalism that has been increasingly bluffing many of the electorate to grab power and influence. But not so good at highlighting the real underlying issues facing the UK domestically and globally, and helping the country address them.
When you’re a news organisation trading on supposed integrity and impartiality, you shouldn’t be actively defining the Overton window and excluding the possibility of change. If you’re a tool of the state and the status quo (no doubt largely due to the reoccurring funding threats which are a political decision) then we all should be a lot more honest about it.
Journalism like religion needs to be separated from the state. Or it’s something else. |
There was an interesting point made on News Agents - that the Conservative Govt has managed to force the BBC into believing they are totally out of step with general populace (as evidecned by Brexit) that the impartiality the senior appointments have is described as being the 'voice of the people' inside the organisation and therefore not impartial.
But to try and untie that from the biased right wing media is impossible - some interesting polling out yesterday - that at time of Brexit referendum, legal migration was seen as the biggest issue the country is facing. Now legal migration, despite having risen since Brexit is now only seen as an issue by 9% of people.
Amongst 2019 Tory voters, the small boats crossing is now seen as a bigger issue than NHS waiting times, and Ambulance response times.....the only thing more important at the moment is the cost of living crisis.
So 40k people coming to a country of 78 million is a bigger issue than an NHS waiting list being 2 years longer than it should be |  |
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| Lineker's social media comments on 10:50 - Mar 9 with 1226 views | Darth_Koont |
| Lineker's social media comments on 10:34 - Mar 9 by giant_stow |
Interesting last line. Just to gently put the other side, non state journalism in print media form in this country at least is wildly partisan - what's wrong with a organisation which tries to do the opposite of that? I appreciate it's mission if not always the application. |
But partisan to the state isn’t much different. Better than being partisan to individuals like Murdoch or to our worst xenophobia, small-mindedness and self-interest but still not impartial.
It’s political journalistic output is still deeply unfit for purpose as a public service. Whether it’s because of the right-leaning editors and senior management, chasing clickbait traffic and revenue to justify its existence, steering clear of comment on the actual state of the UK for fear of precisely the attacks they’re getting now or most likely a combination of these and other factors like being part of the same politics/lobbying/media industry and wanting to keep their career options open.
I don’t expect the BBC to be perfect (it’s a human organisation in a tight position) but being better than this shouldn’t be seen as a particularly high bar. |  |
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| Lineker's social media comments on 10:54 - Mar 9 with 1220 views | Darth_Koont |
| Lineker's social media comments on 10:45 - Mar 9 by itfcjoe |
There was an interesting point made on News Agents - that the Conservative Govt has managed to force the BBC into believing they are totally out of step with general populace (as evidecned by Brexit) that the impartiality the senior appointments have is described as being the 'voice of the people' inside the organisation and therefore not impartial.
But to try and untie that from the biased right wing media is impossible - some interesting polling out yesterday - that at time of Brexit referendum, legal migration was seen as the biggest issue the country is facing. Now legal migration, despite having risen since Brexit is now only seen as an issue by 9% of people.
Amongst 2019 Tory voters, the small boats crossing is now seen as a bigger issue than NHS waiting times, and Ambulance response times.....the only thing more important at the moment is the cost of living crisis.
So 40k people coming to a country of 78 million is a bigger issue than an NHS waiting list being 2 years longer than it should be |
Agree with that.
I said the BBC was a bulwark against right-wing populism but that’s more theory. In reality, the BBC have been led by the nose into confirming and regurgitating much of the right-wing press and politicians’ agenda. | |
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| Lineker's social media comments on 11:06 - Mar 9 with 1192 views | itfcjoe |
| Lineker's social media comments on 10:54 - Mar 9 by Darth_Koont |
Agree with that.
I said the BBC was a bulwark against right-wing populism but that’s more theory. In reality, the BBC have been led by the nose into confirming and regurgitating much of the right-wing press and politicians’ agenda. |
And this is where the right wing media can be so powerful - they can run newspapers with falling sales, losing money hand over fist.....but because they have media empires they can lose money in one part of it and not care......because they can stick something on the front page of the paper day after day (i.e. Keir Starmer having a curry, Gary Lineker tweeting) and by being on the front pages of the paper it drives the news in the paper reviews and the like and becomes a story, like the Small Boats.
I guess re being led by the nose - funding given and editorial positions are always going to end up linked one way or another | |
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| Lineker's social media comments on 11:09 - Mar 9 with 1173 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Lineker's social media comments on 10:45 - Mar 9 by itfcjoe |
There was an interesting point made on News Agents - that the Conservative Govt has managed to force the BBC into believing they are totally out of step with general populace (as evidecned by Brexit) that the impartiality the senior appointments have is described as being the 'voice of the people' inside the organisation and therefore not impartial.
But to try and untie that from the biased right wing media is impossible - some interesting polling out yesterday - that at time of Brexit referendum, legal migration was seen as the biggest issue the country is facing. Now legal migration, despite having risen since Brexit is now only seen as an issue by 9% of people.
Amongst 2019 Tory voters, the small boats crossing is now seen as a bigger issue than NHS waiting times, and Ambulance response times.....the only thing more important at the moment is the cost of living crisis.
So 40k people coming to a country of 78 million is a bigger issue than an NHS waiting list being 2 years longer than it should be |
They've a lot of failure to try and distract people from. |  |
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| Lineker's social media comments on 11:10 - Mar 9 with 1170 views | BuffaloBill |
| Lineker's social media comments on 11:06 - Mar 9 by itfcjoe |
And this is where the right wing media can be so powerful - they can run newspapers with falling sales, losing money hand over fist.....but because they have media empires they can lose money in one part of it and not care......because they can stick something on the front page of the paper day after day (i.e. Keir Starmer having a curry, Gary Lineker tweeting) and by being on the front pages of the paper it drives the news in the paper reviews and the like and becomes a story, like the Small Boats.
I guess re being led by the nose - funding given and editorial positions are always going to end up linked one way or another |
As opposed to The Guardian, that money making behemoth |  |
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| Lineker's social media comments on 11:15 - Mar 9 with 1146 views | itfcjoe |
| Lineker's social media comments on 11:10 - Mar 9 by BuffaloBill |
As opposed to The Guardian, that money making behemoth |
The Guardian who had good financial results last year? | |
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| Lineker's social media comments on 12:01 - Mar 9 with 1076 views | DJR |
| Lineker's social media comments on 11:06 - Mar 9 by itfcjoe |
And this is where the right wing media can be so powerful - they can run newspapers with falling sales, losing money hand over fist.....but because they have media empires they can lose money in one part of it and not care......because they can stick something on the front page of the paper day after day (i.e. Keir Starmer having a curry, Gary Lineker tweeting) and by being on the front pages of the paper it drives the news in the paper reviews and the like and becomes a story, like the Small Boats.
I guess re being led by the nose - funding given and editorial positions are always going to end up linked one way or another |
I had thought the decline of the printed media would limit the influence of the right wing press, but papers like the Mail, Times and Telegraph have adapted well to the digital age and show no signs of being any less influential more generally, particularly with the uptake of social media and the like by older people.
The Mail is the most visited news website in the world, so probably now has a greater reach in this country than it has ever had. And as you say its influence extends beyond that because of things like the paper review and the Jeremy Vine show, as well as it often managing to set the news agenda more generally.
I suppose the real disgrace is that the agenda is set by newspapers owned by tax exiles such as the Fourth Viscount Rothermere (Mail), the Barclays brothers (Telegraph) and Murdoch (Times and Sun), none of whom will suffer the consequences of anything their papers promote. [Post edited 9 Mar 2023 12:01]
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| Lineker's social media comments on 12:03 - Mar 9 with 1066 views | Kievthegreat |
Cold War Steve is nailing it again....
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| Lineker's social media comments on 12:33 - Mar 9 with 1009 views | BlueNomad |
Mr Ayre, a former member of the broadcasting regulator Ofcom's content board, said it was "unacceptable" to have someone who works for the BBC "comparing Suella Braverman to the third Reich".
Then perhaps the Government shouldn't do things that make many of us think about the tactics and policies of the Third Reich! |  | | |
| Lineker's social media comments on 13:02 - Mar 9 with 931 views | Ryorry |
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| Lineker's social media comments on 13:03 - Mar 9 with 920 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Lineker's social media comments on 10:42 - Mar 9 by Swansea_Blue |
Re. knickers, quite right and I suspect it's deliberately being twisted.
Re. the posters, they're obviously vile but also hilarious - how is everyone else enjoying our modern slavery system?!  It's just like Priti Patel tackling anti-terrorism.
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A new slogan for the next election "British Jobs For British Slaves" |  |
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| Lineker's social media comments on 13:03 - Mar 9 with 926 views | BlueLikeJazz |
| Lineker's social media comments on 12:38 - Mar 8 by giant_stow |
It does sound like all this is for show, at least once the lawyers have got involved, but if nothing else, it tells us where that horrible party is coming from. |
It's not designed to be workable policy, they know it won't work. And when it doesn't, that lets them make speeches about how the will of the people is being thwarted by lefty lawyers and intellectuals, and lets them spread more hate and division and put the blame anywhere but on themselves, because that is literally all they've got left. Textbook techniques for the morally bankrupt, and ones that have been tried before somewhere, but apparently I can't say where because if I do that makes me a traitor... |  | | |
| Lineker's social media comments on 13:07 - Mar 9 with 888 views | syntaxerror |
Very interesting thread from a German academic about this.
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| Lineker's social media comments on 13:20 - Mar 9 with 849 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Lineker's social media comments on 10:41 - Mar 9 by noggin |
So anyone working for the BBC should not be allowed to express their political views, even when 'off duty'? Isn't that how fascism works? |
Indeed - many firms will have in your employment contract that political views should not be expressed ‘on behalf or in the name of the firm’. Otherwise if it’s your personal views and not racist/prejudice then all good. Fair enough in my view.
So I can’t see why BBC employees should be any different- if he’s not suggesting the BBC endorse his views then he’s well within his rights to say this. | | | |
| Lineker's social media comments on 13:21 - Mar 9 with 849 views | DJR |
| Lineker's social media comments on 13:02 - Mar 9 by Ryorry |
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That is appalling and just sums up the second-rate nature of the modern day Tory MP. | | | |
| Lineker's social media comments on 13:21 - Mar 9 with 848 views | Buhrer |
| Lineker's social media comments on 06:58 - Mar 9 by GlasgowBlue |
BBC news journalists are quite correctly contracted to be impartial. But GL is a sports presenter giving a personal view on his own twitter account.
People are getting their knickers in a twist over what they perceived to be GL comparing the current govt to the Nazis in 1930’s Germany. He didn’t. He compared the rhetoric. And quite frankly it’s hard to disagree with him.
Have you seen the posters threatening to withhold protection under the modern slavery act if somebody arrives in the UK “illegally”? Absolutely disgusting. A young girl illegally trafficked into this country by gangs into prostitution will no longer be protected against slavery. I can’t find the words to express how angry and appalled I am.
If GL can highlight this to his hundreds of thousands of followers, many of whom may be unaware of this latest outrage, then all power to him. [Post edited 9 Mar 2023 7:43]
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Another angry and appalled Tory voter staggers from the cave, squinting at the brightness of new illumination but with eyes now open to the social problems they've caused by voting for pig thick sociopaths. Huzzah! |  | | |
| Lineker's social media comments on 13:26 - Mar 9 with 831 views | leitrimblue |
| Lineker's social media comments on 13:02 - Mar 9 by Ryorry |
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Not sure wether to laugh or cry at that. It's got to the point where I'm beginning to struggle to separate genuine UK news from an episode of The Day Today. I was half expecting her to try an justify the use of bomb dogs next |  | | |
| Lineker's social media comments on 13:28 - Mar 9 with 807 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Lineker's social media comments on 13:21 - Mar 9 by Buhrer |
Another angry and appalled Tory voter staggers from the cave, squinting at the brightness of new illumination but with eyes now open to the social problems they've caused by voting for pig thick sociopaths. Huzzah! |
“pig thick sociopaths.”
Those Tories have a lot in common with pandemic deniers eh?
Bet that was posted without a hint of irony. Fantastic. | | | |
| Lineker's social media comments on 13:30 - Mar 9 with 795 views | DJR |
| Lineker's social media comments on 13:07 - Mar 9 by syntaxerror |
Very interesting thread from a German academic about this.
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Good post, and this from the Guardian also justifies what Lineker has said.
Éric Zemmour, the French far-right commentator, supporter of the “great replacement” theory that Muslim immigrants are replacing native Europeans and candidate for president in last year’s election (he came fourth), has also praised Rishi Sunak’s new asylum policy.
In a tweet yesterday, Zemmour said:
The message is clear. In the UK, illegal immigrants are not welcome and will receive no preferential treatment.
Congratulations to the British prime minister who, unlike Macron’s government, has chosen to protect his people against submersion by migrants. | | | |
| Lineker's social media comments on 13:35 - Mar 9 with 743 views | iamatractorboy |
| Lineker's social media comments on 13:03 - Mar 9 by GlasgowBlue |
A new slogan for the next election "British Jobs For British Slaves" |
It'll never catch on with the Tories, it's two words too long for them. They like their slogans to come in easy to chant three word packages. | | | |
| Lineker's social media comments on 13:36 - Mar 9 with 743 views | DJR |
| Lineker's social media comments on 13:26 - Mar 9 by leitrimblue |
Not sure wether to laugh or cry at that. It's got to the point where I'm beginning to struggle to separate genuine UK news from an episode of The Day Today. I was half expecting her to try an justify the use of bomb dogs next |
Yes, Sunak behind a lectern with the words Stop the Boats was also peak The Day Today. But if the current measures don't work, maybe next time it will be Sink the Boats. | | | |
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