| Lineker's social media comments 09:09 - Mar 8 with 11776 views | Trequartista |
I understand Lineker is a high profile presenter for a public broadcaster, and he mildly irritates me on motd, but for goodness sake, is it not obvious that freedom of speech has to apply to everyone.
He's not broadcasting these views on the Ten O'Clock News. I think that those who cite cancel culture as a thing (as i do) and then think Lineker should be silenced over this (as i don't) are a perfect example of those 'fighting the culture wars' for want of a better description. |  |
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| Lineker's social media comments on 03:54 - Mar 9 with 1182 views | Zapers |
| Lineker's social media comments on 19:11 - Mar 8 by lowhouseblue |
i think i agree with all of that. but where are the high profile bbc presenters saying something different? can the bbc be impartial if everyone who works there thinks the same? i agree with lineker on this, but where is the diversity of opinion at the bbc - and remember this is a topic on which the public as a whole are definitely split. |
Other people working at the BBC are contracted to remain impartial. Somehow Lineker gets away with it, maybe not this time, hopefully.
License fees are paid by customers who vote, or do not vote for all the political parties in the UK. Not everyone will agree with his views, but he still expects those people to contribute as license fee payers, to his wages.
Personally i think he should be relieved of his position within the BBC.
I doubt he will care, he will revel in being regarded as a martyr, and wait for other job offers to come his way. |  | | |
| Lineker's social media comments on 06:58 - Mar 9 with 1084 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Lineker's social media comments on 03:54 - Mar 9 by Zapers |
Other people working at the BBC are contracted to remain impartial. Somehow Lineker gets away with it, maybe not this time, hopefully.
License fees are paid by customers who vote, or do not vote for all the political parties in the UK. Not everyone will agree with his views, but he still expects those people to contribute as license fee payers, to his wages.
Personally i think he should be relieved of his position within the BBC.
I doubt he will care, he will revel in being regarded as a martyr, and wait for other job offers to come his way. |
BBC news journalists are quite correctly contracted to be impartial. But GL is a sports presenter giving a personal view on his own twitter account.
People are getting their knickers in a twist over what they perceived to be GL comparing the current govt to the Nazis in 1930’s Germany. He didn’t. He compared the rhetoric. And quite frankly it’s hard to disagree with him.
Have you seen the posters threatening to withhold protection under the modern slavery act if somebody arrives in the UK “illegally”? Absolutely disgusting. A young girl illegally trafficked into this country by gangs into prostitution will no longer be protected against slavery. I can’t find the words to express how angry and appalled I am.
If GL can highlight this to his hundreds of thousands of followers, many of whom may be unaware of this latest outrage, then all power to him. [Post edited 9 Mar 2023 7:43]
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| Lineker's social media comments on 07:38 - Mar 9 with 1060 views | Churchman |
| Lineker's social media comments on 06:58 - Mar 9 by GlasgowBlue |
BBC news journalists are quite correctly contracted to be impartial. But GL is a sports presenter giving a personal view on his own twitter account.
People are getting their knickers in a twist over what they perceived to be GL comparing the current govt to the Nazis in 1930’s Germany. He didn’t. He compared the rhetoric. And quite frankly it’s hard to disagree with him.
Have you seen the posters threatening to withhold protection under the modern slavery act if somebody arrives in the UK “illegally”? Absolutely disgusting. A young girl illegally trafficked into this country by gangs into prostitution will no longer be protected against slavery. I can’t find the words to express how angry and appalled I am.
If GL can highlight this to his hundreds of thousands of followers, many of whom may be unaware of this latest outrage, then all power to him. [Post edited 9 Mar 2023 7:43]
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I agree totally with this.
As far as I’m concerned, Lineker is free to express his views on his personal Twitter account if he wants to. It’s called free speech and anything that constrains or threatens that is dangerous in my view. Muzzling people whose views are not yours is precisely what fascists and despots do.
Personally, I’m not the least bit interested in what Lineker has to say on anything but if people follow him, that’s entirely their choice in a free country. Having seen this, I agree with him. [Post edited 9 Mar 2023 7:40]
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| Lineker's social media comments on 07:50 - Mar 9 with 1019 views | DanTheMan |
| Lineker's social media comments on 06:58 - Mar 9 by GlasgowBlue |
BBC news journalists are quite correctly contracted to be impartial. But GL is a sports presenter giving a personal view on his own twitter account.
People are getting their knickers in a twist over what they perceived to be GL comparing the current govt to the Nazis in 1930’s Germany. He didn’t. He compared the rhetoric. And quite frankly it’s hard to disagree with him.
Have you seen the posters threatening to withhold protection under the modern slavery act if somebody arrives in the UK “illegally”? Absolutely disgusting. A young girl illegally trafficked into this country by gangs into prostitution will no longer be protected against slavery. I can’t find the words to express how angry and appalled I am.
If GL can highlight this to his hundreds of thousands of followers, many of whom may be unaware of this latest outrage, then all power to him. [Post edited 9 Mar 2023 7:43]
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On a related note, seems the MPs don't even want it.
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| Lineker's social media comments on 08:22 - Mar 9 with 1005 views | dickie |
| Lineker's social media comments on 19:11 - Mar 8 by lowhouseblue |
i think i agree with all of that. but where are the high profile bbc presenters saying something different? can the bbc be impartial if everyone who works there thinks the same? i agree with lineker on this, but where is the diversity of opinion at the bbc - and remember this is a topic on which the public as a whole are definitely split. |
5 live have been broadcasting many people with the opposite view of Lineker for the last few days | | | |
| Lineker's social media comments on 08:26 - Mar 9 with 998 views | Cotty |
| Lineker's social media comments on 12:12 - Mar 8 by pointofblue |
That would be fine, as long as people support the right for someone from the BBC to say on Twitter that they agree with the policy too. |
I've read this 4 times and still have no clue what you're trying to say |  | | |
| Lineker's social media comments on 08:35 - Mar 9 with 953 views | noggin |
| Lineker's social media comments on 08:26 - Mar 9 by Cotty |
I've read this 4 times and still have no clue what you're trying to say |
He's saying victims of people smuggling should be shipped off to Rwanda, and that breaking international asylum laws is fine. |  |
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| Lineker's social media comments on 08:42 - Mar 9 with 943 views | lowhouseblue |
| Lineker's social media comments on 08:22 - Mar 9 by dickie |
5 live have been broadcasting many people with the opposite view of Lineker for the last few days |
i think bbc news works incredibly hard to maintain impartiality - including a range of guests and representing different political views on air. overall i think the bbc manages that well and does better than almost all other news outlets. having known people who work, or have worked, in the wider organisation beyond news, it strikes me as suffering for a serious degree of conformity of opinion and institutional culture and group think. i am very happy for lineker to exercise freedom of speech despite his high profile role, but for freedom of speech to be meaningful you need to avoid alternative views being institutionally filtered out. the wider bbc beyond news is in no way culturally or politically representative of the wider country. |  |
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| Lineker's social media comments on 08:48 - Mar 9 with 909 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Lineker's social media comments on 07:38 - Mar 9 by Churchman |
I agree totally with this.
As far as I’m concerned, Lineker is free to express his views on his personal Twitter account if he wants to. It’s called free speech and anything that constrains or threatens that is dangerous in my view. Muzzling people whose views are not yours is precisely what fascists and despots do.
Personally, I’m not the least bit interested in what Lineker has to say on anything but if people follow him, that’s entirely their choice in a free country. Having seen this, I agree with him. [Post edited 9 Mar 2023 7:40]
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I also think he can say what he want whether he be right or wrong, he is a sports journalist and not a news journalist.
Annoyingly though I seem to get emails every morning about his tweets which I should make an effort to block as he annoys me.
My annoyance has little to do with his political views but more that unless he has changed since retiring he is a bloody horrible man. |  |
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| Lineker's social media comments on 08:54 - Mar 9 with 902 views | Zapers |
| Lineker's social media comments on 06:58 - Mar 9 by GlasgowBlue |
BBC news journalists are quite correctly contracted to be impartial. But GL is a sports presenter giving a personal view on his own twitter account.
People are getting their knickers in a twist over what they perceived to be GL comparing the current govt to the Nazis in 1930’s Germany. He didn’t. He compared the rhetoric. And quite frankly it’s hard to disagree with him.
Have you seen the posters threatening to withhold protection under the modern slavery act if somebody arrives in the UK “illegally”? Absolutely disgusting. A young girl illegally trafficked into this country by gangs into prostitution will no longer be protected against slavery. I can’t find the words to express how angry and appalled I am.
If GL can highlight this to his hundreds of thousands of followers, many of whom may be unaware of this latest outrage, then all power to him. [Post edited 9 Mar 2023 7:43]
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I get it, and you are always very reasoned in your views. However I feel that he continues to cross over a line politically, hoisted by his position within the BBC. Without the BBC, he would more likely be an ex footballer. | | | |
| Lineker's social media comments on 08:58 - Mar 9 with 879 views | DanTheMan |
| Lineker's social media comments on 08:54 - Mar 9 by Zapers |
I get it, and you are always very reasoned in your views. However I feel that he continues to cross over a line politically, hoisted by his position within the BBC. Without the BBC, he would more likely be an ex footballer. |
How has he crossed over a line politically though? He has expressed a personal view on something (which he also backs up with action), he did this away from his day job on a private platform, and he is job is not really involved in politics.
I'm with others, whether I agree with him or not, he should be able to express his views. It would be a different situation if he was a political correspondent. | |
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| Lineker's social media comments on 09:00 - Mar 9 with 872 views | Tangledupin_Blue |
Isn't there an irony here?
Lineker is likening government behaviour to fascism.
Their response is to try to shut him down - in true fascist form.
He is a sports presenter, not a political pundit. If course he must be entitled to offer his view on twitter; like anyone else. |  |
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| Lineker's social media comments on 09:00 - Mar 9 with 868 views | Churchman |
| Lineker's social media comments on 08:48 - Mar 9 by Lord_Lucan |
I also think he can say what he want whether he be right or wrong, he is a sports journalist and not a news journalist.
Annoyingly though I seem to get emails every morning about his tweets which I should make an effort to block as he annoys me.
My annoyance has little to do with his political views but more that unless he has changed since retiring he is a bloody horrible man. |
Absolutely.
I’ve never had much time for GL. Smashing footballer, boring bloke is my for word summary. The awful Leicester accent doesn’t help - I’m entitled to say that given Mrs Cs family all come from there! | | | |
| Lineker's social media comments on 09:35 - Mar 9 with 784 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Lineker's social media comments on 09:00 - Mar 9 by Churchman |
Absolutely.
I’ve never had much time for GL. Smashing footballer, boring bloke is my for word summary. The awful Leicester accent doesn’t help - I’m entitled to say that given Mrs Cs family all come from there! |
His brother is slightly more “interesting”. | |
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| Lineker's social media comments on 09:43 - Mar 9 with 774 views | chicoazul |
| Lineker's social media comments on 09:35 - Mar 9 by GlasgowBlue |
His brother is slightly more “interesting”. |
I’ve met “Turbo” as he is known and he is exactly like you think he is. |  |
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| Lineker's social media comments on 09:44 - Mar 9 with 776 views | DJR |
Along with the Tories and the right wing press, Yvette Cooper doesn't think Gary Lineker's comments were right.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/video/news/labour-gary-linekers-comments-were-wrong/vi
I know people say Labour have to be pragmatic, but on an issue like this surely they have to stand up for what is right, or what is the point of an opposition?
The more Labour behaves like this, the more I wonder what I am doing in the party. |  | | |
| Lineker's social media comments on 09:49 - Mar 9 with 772 views | itfcjoe |
| Lineker's social media comments on 19:11 - Mar 8 by lowhouseblue |
i think i agree with all of that. but where are the high profile bbc presenters saying something different? can the bbc be impartial if everyone who works there thinks the same? i agree with lineker on this, but where is the diversity of opinion at the bbc - and remember this is a topic on which the public as a whole are definitely split. |
It's hard for the BBC to talk about impartiality when the Chairman was arranging a loan for the Prime Minister, or when previously Robbie Gibb was there.
The political journos have to be impartial, and are despite what cranks on both sides think, but there should be no requirement for anyone taking a BBC salary to be so as well - it's very authoritarian the view likes of Jenrick was saying yesterday - you can't criticise the Givt if paid by the BBC.
Last nights News Agents pod was really good where Sopl, Maitlis and Goodall were able to give views from both sides of fence and how difficult it can be at the BBC on political side |  |
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| Lineker's social media comments on 09:50 - Mar 9 with 761 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Lineker's social media comments on 09:43 - Mar 9 by chicoazul |
I’ve met “Turbo” as he is known and he is exactly like you think he is. |
Yeah. I knew him to talk to when I lived in Tenerife for a couple of years. He definitely lives up to his reputation. | |
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| Lineker's social media comments on 09:51 - Mar 9 with 770 views | Whos_blue |
| Lineker's social media comments on 08:54 - Mar 9 by Zapers |
I get it, and you are always very reasoned in your views. However I feel that he continues to cross over a line politically, hoisted by his position within the BBC. Without the BBC, he would more likely be an ex footballer. |
But does his position in society, whether a BBC presenter or just "an ex footballer" have any bearing on what he's actually saying? He's been pretty consistent with his views for a number of years, so there can be no accusation of grandstanding or abusing his position.
I for one am glad he's spoken out about this ridiculous proposition. The response from the right in trying to shut him down is telling.
I'd be interested to know if you are broadly supportive of the plan and therefore against any polar opinion, or just anti Lineker?
It's interesting that our Norwich supporting friend, Jake Humphrey has been just as outspoken on this matter, yet has received little to no attention. Certainly no calls to resign etc, yet is a sports broadcaster, the same as Lineker. Is it just that he doesn't work for the BBC?
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| Lineker's social media comments on 09:59 - Mar 9 with 739 views | brazil1982 |
| Lineker's social media comments on 08:22 - Mar 9 by dickie |
5 live have been broadcasting many people with the opposite view of Lineker for the last few days |
Any "famous" people?
Thought not. |  | | |
| Lineker's social media comments on 10:04 - Mar 9 with 712 views | DJR |
| Lineker's social media comments on 09:51 - Mar 9 by Whos_blue |
But does his position in society, whether a BBC presenter or just "an ex footballer" have any bearing on what he's actually saying? He's been pretty consistent with his views for a number of years, so there can be no accusation of grandstanding or abusing his position.
I for one am glad he's spoken out about this ridiculous proposition. The response from the right in trying to shut him down is telling.
I'd be interested to know if you are broadly supportive of the plan and therefore against any polar opinion, or just anti Lineker?
It's interesting that our Norwich supporting friend, Jake Humphrey has been just as outspoken on this matter, yet has received little to no attention. Certainly no calls to resign etc, yet is a sports broadcaster, the same as Lineker. Is it just that he doesn't work for the BBC?
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As you suggest, he just doesn't fit the anti-BBC agenda of those on the right.
And on the political front, I think ITV News and Sky News are much more hard-hitting than the BBC news when it comes to criticism of the Tories, but they never get any criticism from the right wing press.
Just compare, for example, the bland (and some would say pro-Tory) Laura Kuennsberg to Beth Rigby who rarely holds back when criticism of the Tories is due.
And don't forget the BBC wholly bought into the austerity agenda of the Cameron/Clegg government. [Post edited 9 Mar 2023 10:07]
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| Lineker's social media comments on 10:13 - Mar 9 with 688 views | DJR |
| Lineker's social media comments on 09:59 - Mar 9 by brazil1982 |
Any "famous" people?
Thought not. |
I am not sure Gary Lineker against the entire right wing press is a particularly fair fight, particularly given their character assassination of him. What it has done though is to shift the debate away from the awfulness of the Tory plans themselves, which is clearly their objective. | | | |
| Lineker's social media comments on 10:29 - Mar 9 with 668 views | Darth_Koont |
Disclaimer: This is about the BBC’s political coverage and mostly domestic politics but does extend into the geo-political too. And certainly not to devalue the BBC’s wider remit that includes sport, culture, radio, local broadcasting and world/regional services, the vast majority of which is an important service for any developed nation and its citizens.
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This is more of a general response to claims of impartiality at the BBC but that is certainly not true. It’s quite clear from its key appointments, general coverage and editorialising when that happens that it’s fully part of the establishment.
Which is fine as a bulwark against the more rabid right-wing populism and journalism that has been increasingly bluffing many of the electorate to grab power and influence. But not so good at highlighting the real underlying issues facing the UK domestically and globally, and helping the country address them.
When you’re a news organisation trading on supposed integrity and impartiality, you shouldn’t be actively defining the Overton window and excluding the possibility of change. If you’re a tool of the state and the status quo (no doubt largely due to the reoccurring funding threats which are a political decision) then we all should be a lot more honest about it.
Journalism like religion needs to be separated from the state. Or it’s something else. |  |
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| Lineker's social media comments on 10:34 - Mar 9 with 643 views | giant_stow |
| Lineker's social media comments on 10:29 - Mar 9 by Darth_Koont |
Disclaimer: This is about the BBC’s political coverage and mostly domestic politics but does extend into the geo-political too. And certainly not to devalue the BBC’s wider remit that includes sport, culture, radio, local broadcasting and world/regional services, the vast majority of which is an important service for any developed nation and its citizens.
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This is more of a general response to claims of impartiality at the BBC but that is certainly not true. It’s quite clear from its key appointments, general coverage and editorialising when that happens that it’s fully part of the establishment.
Which is fine as a bulwark against the more rabid right-wing populism and journalism that has been increasingly bluffing many of the electorate to grab power and influence. But not so good at highlighting the real underlying issues facing the UK domestically and globally, and helping the country address them.
When you’re a news organisation trading on supposed integrity and impartiality, you shouldn’t be actively defining the Overton window and excluding the possibility of change. If you’re a tool of the state and the status quo (no doubt largely due to the reoccurring funding threats which are a political decision) then we all should be a lot more honest about it.
Journalism like religion needs to be separated from the state. Or it’s something else. |
Interesting last line. Just to gently put the other side, non state journalism in print media form in this country at least is wildly partisan - what's wrong with a organisation which tries to do the opposite of that? I appreciate it's mission if not always the application. |  |
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