| Lineker's social media comments 09:09 - Mar 8 with 11781 views | Trequartista |
I understand Lineker is a high profile presenter for a public broadcaster, and he mildly irritates me on motd, but for goodness sake, is it not obvious that freedom of speech has to apply to everyone.
He's not broadcasting these views on the Ten O'Clock News. I think that those who cite cancel culture as a thing (as i do) and then think Lineker should be silenced over this (as i don't) are a perfect example of those 'fighting the culture wars' for want of a better description. |  |
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| Lineker's social media comments on 18:01 - Mar 8 with 1460 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Lineker's social media comments on 17:35 - Mar 8 by Ryorry |
May have got this wrong as was only listening with half an ear due to phone call, but according to 'The Media Show' on BBCR4 at 16.30 today, Lineker was wrong to speak out (I disagree) not only because he went too far with his reference to 1930s Nazism (I'd agree solely in the sense that I think that may be counterproductive in winning people over his/our pov) - but also because he's paid over a £million annually (tot disagree, would mean he'd been in effect bought off). |
If he’s not able to speak truth to power and openly criticise the government in his own time via his own Twitter account I’d argue that reinforces his comparison to Nazi Germany. Shutting down the right to speak freely was one of their signature moves. There are lots of parallels and it doesn’t hurt to be vigilant and push back against it. That doesn’t necessarily mean they’ll start killing people en masse any time soon (although have you seen the impacts of some of their policies around health…but that’s another story). |  |
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| Lineker's social media comments on 18:06 - Mar 8 with 1420 views | noggin |
| Lineker's social media comments on 15:43 - Mar 8 by Radlett_blue |
So it's fine for Lineker to tweet his views if they are in line with yours? I personally think he should be allowed to air his political views on Twitter if he wishes as he's a sports presenter, not a political joiurnalist, but would you think it was equally acceptable if he tweeted in support of the Government's policy? |
What, like The Mail, The Express, The Telegraph and The Sun? |  |
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| Lineker's social media comments on 18:20 - Mar 8 with 1359 views | Ryorry |
| Lineker's social media comments on 18:01 - Mar 8 by Swansea_Blue |
If he’s not able to speak truth to power and openly criticise the government in his own time via his own Twitter account I’d argue that reinforces his comparison to Nazi Germany. Shutting down the right to speak freely was one of their signature moves. There are lots of parallels and it doesn’t hurt to be vigilant and push back against it. That doesn’t necessarily mean they’ll start killing people en masse any time soon (although have you seen the impacts of some of their policies around health…but that’s another story). |
Beeb/tories will be shooting themselves in feet if they try to censor or sack him - he’s said he’ll carry on speaking out, and will of course garner even more support if he resigns. According to beeb’s 6pm news, they are currently in talks with him … |  |
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| Lineker's social media comments on 18:53 - Mar 8 with 1313 views | MattinLondon |
| Lineker's social media comments on 18:20 - Mar 8 by Ryorry |
Beeb/tories will be shooting themselves in feet if they try to censor or sack him - he’s said he’ll carry on speaking out, and will of course garner even more support if he resigns. According to beeb’s 6pm news, they are currently in talks with him … |
The Beeb are paranoid of being seen as biased. They are also vulnerable politically at the time of the renewal of their Royal Charter.
Historically speaking, I wonder if any past political regimes have been so eager to control the media. |  | | |
| Lineker's social media comments on 19:11 - Mar 8 with 1273 views | lowhouseblue |
i think i agree with all of that. but where are the high profile bbc presenters saying something different? can the bbc be impartial if everyone who works there thinks the same? i agree with lineker on this, but where is the diversity of opinion at the bbc - and remember this is a topic on which the public as a whole are definitely split. |  |
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| Lineker's social media comments on 19:17 - Mar 8 with 1242 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Lineker's social media comments on 18:20 - Mar 8 by Ryorry |
Beeb/tories will be shooting themselves in feet if they try to censor or sack him - he’s said he’ll carry on speaking out, and will of course garner even more support if he resigns. According to beeb’s 6pm news, they are currently in talks with him … |
Yeah, they’d be nuts to sack him. They’re certainly going to try quieten him in though; very sinister from the Beeb (who I’m generally supportive of except much of their current affairs programmes).
Have you seen or heard any of the stuff coming out of The News Agents podcast today. They’re highly critical of senior people in the Beeb (all ex Tory) and Government pressure shutting down any criticism of Government. If the Beeb reporters can’t criticise the govt, it makes you wonder what’s the point of them.
https://twitter.com/thenewsagents?lang=en | |
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| Lineker's social media comments on 19:24 - Mar 8 with 1234 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Lineker's social media comments on 19:11 - Mar 8 by lowhouseblue |
i think i agree with all of that. but where are the high profile bbc presenters saying something different? can the bbc be impartial if everyone who works there thinks the same? i agree with lineker on this, but where is the diversity of opinion at the bbc - and remember this is a topic on which the public as a whole are definitely split. |
Diversity of opinion is one of their biggest problems. They constantly platform fringe nut jobs for ‘balance’ that doesn’t reflect the real balance on a subject. They don’t disclose interests either (such as with those linked to Tufton Street lobby groups who they only refer to as journalists). | |
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| Lineker's social media comments on 19:25 - Mar 8 with 1232 views | DJR |
| Lineker's social media comments on 19:11 - Mar 8 by lowhouseblue |
i think i agree with all of that. but where are the high profile bbc presenters saying something different? can the bbc be impartial if everyone who works there thinks the same? i agree with lineker on this, but where is the diversity of opinion at the bbc - and remember this is a topic on which the public as a whole are definitely split. |
Jimmy Saville, Kenny Everett, Jeremy Clarkson, Nick Robinson, Andrew Neil, John Humphries? [Post edited 8 Mar 2023 19:27]
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| Lineker's social media comments on 19:28 - Mar 8 with 1223 views | MattinLondon |
| Lineker's social media comments on 19:11 - Mar 8 by lowhouseblue |
i think i agree with all of that. but where are the high profile bbc presenters saying something different? can the bbc be impartial if everyone who works there thinks the same? i agree with lineker on this, but where is the diversity of opinion at the bbc - and remember this is a topic on which the public as a whole are definitely split. |
I’d much rather the BBC reporters simply reported the news in a cold neutral way - for example, if Brexit has been bad then that’s how they report it. If it’s been good, then that’s how it’s reported. | | | |
| Lineker's social media comments on 19:35 - Mar 8 with 1197 views | noggin |
| Lineker's social media comments on 19:11 - Mar 8 by lowhouseblue |
i think i agree with all of that. but where are the high profile bbc presenters saying something different? can the bbc be impartial if everyone who works there thinks the same? i agree with lineker on this, but where is the diversity of opinion at the bbc - and remember this is a topic on which the public as a whole are definitely split. |
How many times has Farage been on QT? | |
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| Lineker's social media comments on 19:35 - Mar 8 with 1198 views | lowhouseblue |
| Lineker's social media comments on 19:25 - Mar 8 by DJR |
Jimmy Saville, Kenny Everett, Jeremy Clarkson, Nick Robinson, Andrew Neil, John Humphries? [Post edited 8 Mar 2023 19:27]
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starting your list with jimmy saville isn't really engaging with what was said. but can you link a tweet from someone at the bbc expressing an opposite view to lineker's? genuinely interested. public opinion is really split on how to manage people arriving here by boat - my impression is that people working at the bbc don't reflect that diversity of opinion at all. | |
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| Lineker's social media comments on 19:45 - Mar 8 with 1163 views | DanTheMan |
| Lineker's social media comments on 19:35 - Mar 8 by lowhouseblue |
starting your list with jimmy saville isn't really engaging with what was said. but can you link a tweet from someone at the bbc expressing an opposite view to lineker's? genuinely interested. public opinion is really split on how to manage people arriving here by boat - my impression is that people working at the bbc don't reflect that diversity of opinion at all. |
I doubt you'd find any but that doesn't prove much. We've got a sample size of one tweet from someone who is consistently outspoken. It's very rare for any BBC employee.
As far as I'm aware, conservative points of view get plenty of air time across the BBC. |  |
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| Lineker's social media comments on 19:47 - Mar 8 with 1150 views | Ryorry |
| Lineker's social media comments on 19:35 - Mar 8 by lowhouseblue |
starting your list with jimmy saville isn't really engaging with what was said. but can you link a tweet from someone at the bbc expressing an opposite view to lineker's? genuinely interested. public opinion is really split on how to manage people arriving here by boat - my impression is that people working at the bbc don't reflect that diversity of opinion at all. |
Speaking as someone whose first job was at the beeb, I can tell you that diversity was certainly there re opinions, but most people didn’t speak out as they were mindful of their careers.
Doubt things have changed too much. | |
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| Lineker's social media comments on 19:51 - Mar 8 with 1124 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Lineker's social media comments on 19:25 - Mar 8 by DJR |
Jimmy Saville, Kenny Everett, Jeremy Clarkson, Nick Robinson, Andrew Neil, John Humphries? [Post edited 8 Mar 2023 19:27]
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Kenny Everett eh? I bet it was all done in the best possible taste! | |
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| Lineker's social media comments on 19:52 - Mar 8 with 1122 views | Ryorry |
| Lineker's social media comments on 19:28 - Mar 8 by MattinLondon |
I’d much rather the BBC reporters simply reported the news in a cold neutral way - for example, if Brexit has been bad then that’s how they report it. If it’s been good, then that’s how it’s reported. |
They do exactly that on BBC World Service, which is one of the reasons it’s my favourite news channel. Most people don’t realise that its coverage also includes the UK. | |
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| Lineker's social media comments on 19:57 - Mar 8 with 1117 views | JohnTy |
| Lineker's social media comments on 19:35 - Mar 8 by lowhouseblue |
starting your list with jimmy saville isn't really engaging with what was said. but can you link a tweet from someone at the bbc expressing an opposite view to lineker's? genuinely interested. public opinion is really split on how to manage people arriving here by boat - my impression is that people working at the bbc don't reflect that diversity of opinion at all. |
Today Alistair Campbell was interviewed on the Lineker tweet by the BBC. Unsurprisingly they edited out a reference to the BBC chairman being a Tory donor and helping Johnson out with a loan, and to Theresa May's ex-spad now sitting on the BBC Board.
It is fairly obvious that the BBC is running scared of this Government and has been for some time. Right wing media of course inculcate in its gullible audience the impression that it is somehow a leftist organisation.
Some academic recently did an analysis of the guest list on Question Time, which susrprise surprise revealed a heavy right wing bias. |  | | |
| Lineker's social media comments on 19:59 - Mar 8 with 1110 views | DJR |
| Lineker's social media comments on 19:45 - Mar 8 by DanTheMan |
I doubt you'd find any but that doesn't prove much. We've got a sample size of one tweet from someone who is consistently outspoken. It's very rare for any BBC employee.
As far as I'm aware, conservative points of view get plenty of air time across the BBC. |
As you say, tweeting isn't really the issue.
But if you want to look at people at the top of the BBC who are Tories, you only have to look at Marmaduke Hussey, Chritopher Bland, Chris Patten, Michael Grade, Tim Davie and Richard Sharp.
The fact is that appointments to the head of the BBC often seem to favour the party in power, which for much of the period since the war has been the Tories, so I think allegations of a left wing bias are a nonsense.
And, for example, Robbie Gibb, who went to work for No 10 as director of communications in 2017, was in charge of political programming throughout the Brexit period. [Post edited 8 Mar 2023 20:00]
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| Lineker's social media comments on 20:19 - Mar 8 with 1081 views | DJR |
| Lineker's social media comments on 17:35 - Mar 8 by Ryorry |
May have got this wrong as was only listening with half an ear due to phone call, but according to 'The Media Show' on BBCR4 at 16.30 today, Lineker was wrong to speak out (I disagree) not only because he went too far with his reference to 1930s Nazism (I'd agree solely in the sense that I think that may be counterproductive in winning people over his/our pov) - but also because he's paid over a £million annually (tot disagree, would mean he'd been in effect bought off). |
I imagine it was only one of the guests taking this line, but interestingly Lineker didn't actually refer to the Nazis, although that is what was reported. What he said was the following which I think is actually true.
"This is just an immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people in language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 30s."
The alarming thing these days is that the Tories can get away with racist language (invasion) and policies, but it is Lineker who is getting it in the neck, and the Tories are getting away scot free in the media including the broadcast media. But it doesn't help that Labour are keeping their head down on this. [Post edited 8 Mar 2023 20:21]
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| Lineker's social media comments on 20:38 - Mar 8 with 1048 views | JohnTy |
| Lineker's social media comments on 19:59 - Mar 8 by DJR |
As you say, tweeting isn't really the issue.
But if you want to look at people at the top of the BBC who are Tories, you only have to look at Marmaduke Hussey, Chritopher Bland, Chris Patten, Michael Grade, Tim Davie and Richard Sharp.
The fact is that appointments to the head of the BBC often seem to favour the party in power, which for much of the period since the war has been the Tories, so I think allegations of a left wing bias are a nonsense.
And, for example, Robbie Gibb, who went to work for No 10 as director of communications in 2017, was in charge of political programming throughout the Brexit period. [Post edited 8 Mar 2023 20:00]
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This is well worth listening to - a serious discussion by the News Agents of the issues raised by the attacks on Lineker.
https://www.globalplayer.com/podcasts/episodes/7DrfEjt/ | | | |
| Lineker's social media comments on 20:43 - Mar 8 with 1031 views | RadioOrwell |
| Lineker's social media comments on 12:27 - Mar 8 by chicoazul |
But don’t you think in fact that what he is saying is gross hyperbole and does nothing for “the cause” apart from turn people off from what is a very important point? Orwell said in Road to Wigan Pier that people often agree with the message but often can’t stand the people delivering the message due to their tone, appearance etc.
We all know Stop The Boats isn’t going to affect anything anyway. |
Sadly it's not gross hyperbole.
Fascism doesn't happen over a weekend. It happens exactly like this, if it's allowed. |  | | |
| Lineker's social media comments on 20:55 - Mar 8 with 1012 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Lineker's social media comments on 12:12 - Mar 8 by pointofblue |
That would be fine, as long as people support the right for someone from the BBC to say on Twitter that they agree with the policy too. |
Where has anyone criticised someone for exercising their right to express support for the Government over this (or any other) policy? |  |
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| Lineker's social media comments on 21:00 - Mar 8 with 994 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Lineker's social media comments on 19:11 - Mar 8 by lowhouseblue |
i think i agree with all of that. but where are the high profile bbc presenters saying something different? can the bbc be impartial if everyone who works there thinks the same? i agree with lineker on this, but where is the diversity of opinion at the bbc - and remember this is a topic on which the public as a whole are definitely split. |
Is Laura Kuensberg no longer in their employment? Clarkson? Andrew Neill? John Humphries? No one? Really? | |
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| Lineker's social media comments on 00:01 - Mar 9 with 873 views | Ryorry |
| Lineker's social media comments on 19:11 - Mar 8 by lowhouseblue |
i think i agree with all of that. but where are the high profile bbc presenters saying something different? can the bbc be impartial if everyone who works there thinks the same? i agree with lineker on this, but where is the diversity of opinion at the bbc - and remember this is a topic on which the public as a whole are definitely split. |
You've never watched Fiona Bruce on QT then? Particularly the hundreds of times she's allowed tory panellists to rabbit on, whilst those with opposing/neutral views were cut off by her in mid-sentence before they'd even had a chance to make their points?
Not to mention the number of times she herself has expressed a tory-leaning view, despite being the presenter who's only supposed to be there as a neutral referee. [Post edited 9 Mar 2023 0:04]
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| Lineker's social media comments on 00:31 - Mar 9 with 851 views | bournemouthblue |
The fact Braverman is particularly rumbled by this along with several other Tory colleagues, suggests it was exactly the right thing to say
This is the same Braverman who refused to apologise for the language being used on this subject?
They're deliberately trying to stoke this up and divide people, a particularly risky business given they seem to have completely broken the system, 13 years in and trying to look tough is going to fool no one |  |
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| Lineker's social media comments on 00:37 - Mar 9 with 847 views | Ryorry |
| Lineker's social media comments on 00:31 - Mar 9 by bournemouthblue |
The fact Braverman is particularly rumbled by this along with several other Tory colleagues, suggests it was exactly the right thing to say
This is the same Braverman who refused to apologise for the language being used on this subject?
They're deliberately trying to stoke this up and divide people, a particularly risky business given they seem to have completely broken the system, 13 years in and trying to look tough is going to fool no one |
For the umpteenth time since this bunch of tory criminals unfit to govern have been in power, I'm embarrassed to be British -
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