| I would be interested to know if you look at BBC.co.uk right now 22:03 - Mar 13 with 1893 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
Do you see any reference to the Immigration Bill debate on the homepage?
I have a live UK politics story as the top story, but it is updates about the AUKUS nuclear sub deal.
Then all sorts of things, including wildcats and random stuff, but I can scroll all the way to the bottom with no mention whatsoever.
So, please click
www.bbc.co.uk
And report back whether or not it shows up on the main BBC homepage for you, and if so, how prominently. |  | | |  |
| I would be interested to know if you look at BBC.co.uk right now on 22:57 - Mar 13 with 1789 views | HARRY10 |
A Mr Paul Gadd has been 'sent back'. Not sure if he arrived here, by boat though
"Three men tried to take their own lives after being falsely accused of rape and trafficking, "
Maybe there is some link with this fixation by some of the media with paedophilia. | | | |
| I would be interested to know if you look at BBC.co.uk right now on 23:25 - Mar 13 with 1755 views | lowhouseblue |
front page, right column without scrolling down. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| I would be interested to know if you look at BBC.co.uk right now on 23:59 - Mar 13 with 1678 views | StNeotsBlue |
Front page but not at top of page. Update at 2316, Theresa May saying it won't solve anything and is nonsense basically. |  | | |
| I would be interested to know if you look at BBC.co.uk right now on 00:07 - Mar 14 with 1669 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| I would be interested to know if you look at BBC.co.uk right now on 23:25 - Mar 13 by lowhouseblue |
front page, right column without scrolling down. |
On the BBC.co.uk homepage, or News Homepage, BBC.co.uk/news ? I am still not getting it on the main homepage, but May's speech is given about 11th billing on the News page for me, now.
It looks like they are giving very different news to different people. [Post edited 14 Mar 2023 0:09]
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| I would be interested to know if you look at BBC.co.uk right now on 00:22 - Mar 14 with 1637 views | StNeotsBlue |
| I would be interested to know if you look at BBC.co.uk right now on 00:07 - Mar 14 by ArnoldMoorhen |
On the BBC.co.uk homepage, or News Homepage, BBC.co.uk/news ? I am still not getting it on the main homepage, but May's speech is given about 11th billing on the News page for me, now.
It looks like they are giving very different news to different people. [Post edited 14 Mar 2023 0:09]
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My current top 5 are:
1. Police violence against women cases dropped.
2. Sunak, China represent challenge to world order.
3. Biden intends NI Good Friday visit.
4. Gary Lineker to return.
5. May, Asylum plan won't solve illegal migration.
Does this make me left, right or centre according to the algorithms? | | | |
| I would be interested to know if you look at BBC.co.uk right now on 00:24 - Mar 14 with 1620 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Nothing on there for me but neither is there if I look on Sky. |  |
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| I would be interested to know if you look at BBC.co.uk right now on 00:25 - Mar 14 with 1617 views | Freddies_Ears |
| I would be interested to know if you look at BBC.co.uk right now on 00:07 - Mar 14 by ArnoldMoorhen |
On the BBC.co.uk homepage, or News Homepage, BBC.co.uk/news ? I am still not getting it on the main homepage, but May's speech is given about 11th billing on the News page for me, now.
It looks like they are giving very different news to different people. [Post edited 14 Mar 2023 0:09]
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I seem to have the same as you on the front page of BBC News. The only story on the illegal immigration bill is a headline of Theresa May saying it won't work. Withi n the text is a resume of the vote and debate, but more focus on critics rather than proponents. Odd. | | | |
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| I would be interested to know if you look at BBC.co.uk right now on 09:34 - Mar 14 with 1390 views | GeoffSentence |
This raises the question of what that indicates.
Are they not highlighting it because it is an issue that the Tories believe they are strong on and that they believe will get popular support?
Or is it that they think that this reflects badly on the Tories and are keeping it quiet?
Or something else.
Whatever it is everyone is so suspicious of the BBC these days and that is what this government has done. |  |
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| I would be interested to know if you look at BBC.co.uk right now on 09:41 - Mar 14 with 1378 views | J2BLUE |
Nothing coming up for me. Even when I click news there's literally nothing about it. If I click politics it's about pensions and the submarines deal. Then May's speech tucked in the corner. |  |
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| I would be interested to know if you look at BBC.co.uk right now on 09:44 - Mar 14 with 1368 views | Darth_Koont |
Is it going to the bbc.com version? |  |
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| I would be interested to know if you look at BBC.co.uk right now on 09:48 - Mar 14 with 1357 views | SaleAway |
| I would be interested to know if you look at BBC.co.uk right now on 09:41 - Mar 14 by J2BLUE |
Nothing coming up for me. Even when I click news there's literally nothing about it. If I click politics it's about pensions and the submarines deal. Then May's speech tucked in the corner. |
same for me. | |
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| I would be interested to know if you look at BBC.co.uk right now on 10:02 - Mar 14 with 1307 views | Swansea_Blue |
Absolutely nothing for me. Not surprising though. |  |
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| I would be interested to know if you look at BBC.co.uk right now on 10:06 - Mar 14 with 1294 views | DJR |
They presumably didn't want to highlight things like this from the debate.
The situation for asylum seekers in Knowsley has “deteriorated” since a protest outside their hotel — and some have been assaulted, the Labour MP for the area says.
A protest last month outside a hotel housing asylum seekers in Knowsley, Merseyside, saw a police van vandalised and fireworks thrown.
The MP for the area, Labour former minister Sir George Howarth, says “we should all be ashamed” of the situation, while hitting out at the government’s illegal migration bill in the Commons.
He says:
I want to agree with the home secretary on one thing. And that is when she said we should choose our words carefully. It’s just a pity she didn’t do so herself.
He adds:
There is a hotel in Knowsley with 180-plus asylum seekers. I won’t talk about that in detail because I had an urgent question on it a few weeks ago.
But what I will say is since then the situation has deteriorated to the extent that some of the refugees have been verbally abused in the street, and others have been assaulted.
And they have fled because the countries they come from were unsafe, only to find themselves in an unsafe position in this country. And I think we should all be ashamed.
It’s not just happening in Knowsley, it’s happening all over the country. [Post edited 14 Mar 2023 10:08]
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| I would be interested to know if you look at BBC.co.uk right now on 10:07 - Mar 14 with 1291 views | DJR |
| I would be interested to know if you look at BBC.co.uk right now on 10:06 - Mar 14 by DJR |
They presumably didn't want to highlight things like this from the debate.
The situation for asylum seekers in Knowsley has “deteriorated” since a protest outside their hotel — and some have been assaulted, the Labour MP for the area says.
A protest last month outside a hotel housing asylum seekers in Knowsley, Merseyside, saw a police van vandalised and fireworks thrown.
The MP for the area, Labour former minister Sir George Howarth, says “we should all be ashamed” of the situation, while hitting out at the government’s illegal migration bill in the Commons.
He says:
I want to agree with the home secretary on one thing. And that is when she said we should choose our words carefully. It’s just a pity she didn’t do so herself.
He adds:
There is a hotel in Knowsley with 180-plus asylum seekers. I won’t talk about that in detail because I had an urgent question on it a few weeks ago.
But what I will say is since then the situation has deteriorated to the extent that some of the refugees have been verbally abused in the street, and others have been assaulted.
And they have fled because the countries they come from were unsafe, only to find themselves in an unsafe position in this country. And I think we should all be ashamed.
It’s not just happening in Knowsley, it’s happening all over the country. [Post edited 14 Mar 2023 10:08]
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Or this.
Labour MP Khalid Mahmood accuses home secretary Suella Braverman’s politics of being “xenophobic” and “racist”.
He tells MPs in the Commons:
"The home secretary, in her opening statement, said that she can’t be xenophobic or racist just because of her colour and her origins.
Well, I say to her, of the same colour and same origin, that that is exactly what her politics are about.
Her politics are about dividing our society, our community, based on that. That is what she is doing and that is what she continues to do.
The people of the United Kingdom are not so naive as to take this huge nonsense of xenophobia and racism from this party to be put forward." | | | |
| I would be interested to know if you look at BBC.co.uk right now on 10:17 - Mar 14 with 1244 views | giant_stow |
| I would be interested to know if you look at BBC.co.uk right now on 10:07 - Mar 14 by DJR |
Or this.
Labour MP Khalid Mahmood accuses home secretary Suella Braverman’s politics of being “xenophobic” and “racist”.
He tells MPs in the Commons:
"The home secretary, in her opening statement, said that she can’t be xenophobic or racist just because of her colour and her origins.
Well, I say to her, of the same colour and same origin, that that is exactly what her politics are about.
Her politics are about dividing our society, our community, based on that. That is what she is doing and that is what she continues to do.
The people of the United Kingdom are not so naive as to take this huge nonsense of xenophobia and racism from this party to be put forward." |
Just read that this bill would split families and detain unaccompanied children - I knew it was bad, but hadn't realised just how bad. my word.
Also read Suzanne Moore in the Telegraph ( https://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2023/03/14/migration-bill-denial-national ) and then the comments underneath... fck a duck, there are some proper crazies out there. [Post edited 14 Mar 2023 10:18]
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| I would be interested to know if you look at BBC.co.uk right now on 10:45 - Mar 14 with 1180 views | iamatractorboy |
| I would be interested to know if you look at BBC.co.uk right now on 10:17 - Mar 14 by giant_stow |
Just read that this bill would split families and detain unaccompanied children - I knew it was bad, but hadn't realised just how bad. my word.
Also read Suzanne Moore in the Telegraph ( https://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2023/03/14/migration-bill-denial-national ) and then the comments underneath... fck a duck, there are some proper crazies out there. [Post edited 14 Mar 2023 10:18]
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They are trying (and succeeding) to emulate the US Republican party. In so many ways. | | | |
| I would be interested to know if you look at BBC.co.uk right now on 10:52 - Mar 14 with 1157 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| I would be interested to know if you look at BBC.co.uk right now on 10:17 - Mar 14 by giant_stow |
Just read that this bill would split families and detain unaccompanied children - I knew it was bad, but hadn't realised just how bad. my word.
Also read Suzanne Moore in the Telegraph ( https://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2023/03/14/migration-bill-denial-national ) and then the comments underneath... fck a duck, there are some proper crazies out there. [Post edited 14 Mar 2023 10:18]
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And send people to Rwanda.
That's still on the cards.
I guess if you can outsource most of the NHS, why not outsource humanitarian obligations, too?
Maybe they will split a family, send some of them to Rwanda and "process" some of them here. Why?
Because they can.
Obviously many Tory MPs have grave reservations that they hope the Government will take on board.
But they still voted for it. | | | |
| I would be interested to know if you look at BBC.co.uk right now on 11:51 - Mar 14 with 1070 views | Swansea_Blue |
| I would be interested to know if you look at BBC.co.uk right now on 10:17 - Mar 14 by giant_stow |
Just read that this bill would split families and detain unaccompanied children - I knew it was bad, but hadn't realised just how bad. my word.
Also read Suzanne Moore in the Telegraph ( https://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2023/03/14/migration-bill-denial-national ) and then the comments underneath... fck a duck, there are some proper crazies out there. [Post edited 14 Mar 2023 10:18]
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It's horrendously bad. It effectively denies (or at best significantly curtails) the right to claim asylum in the UK (in that the vast majority do so after arriving through irregular routes). This bill criminalises those individuals and denies the right to claim asylum, which is in breach of international law.
It would indeed split families and lead to the detention and in a few cases the deportation of unaccompanied children. It would mean we hold increasingly tens to then hundreds of thousands of people. We'd be refusing to allow them to claim asylum, but we also can't send the vast majority anywhere because we don't have any agreement to return them (don't mention the 'B' word!). A trickle may end up being deported through the Rwanda scheme, but that doesn't work either and won't make much difference on the numbers.
I can't see this ever happening to be honest - it is so bad, unworkable, illegal and unnecessarily expensive. I expect the Lords will tear it to pieces and change it beyond recognition OR it'll still be so bad when enacted and there'll be so many legal challenges that it won't come into force before the next GE. | |
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| I would be interested to know if you look at BBC.co.uk right now on 12:06 - Mar 14 with 1032 views | Darth_Koont |
| I would be interested to know if you look at BBC.co.uk right now on 11:51 - Mar 14 by Swansea_Blue |
It's horrendously bad. It effectively denies (or at best significantly curtails) the right to claim asylum in the UK (in that the vast majority do so after arriving through irregular routes). This bill criminalises those individuals and denies the right to claim asylum, which is in breach of international law.
It would indeed split families and lead to the detention and in a few cases the deportation of unaccompanied children. It would mean we hold increasingly tens to then hundreds of thousands of people. We'd be refusing to allow them to claim asylum, but we also can't send the vast majority anywhere because we don't have any agreement to return them (don't mention the 'B' word!). A trickle may end up being deported through the Rwanda scheme, but that doesn't work either and won't make much difference on the numbers.
I can't see this ever happening to be honest - it is so bad, unworkable, illegal and unnecessarily expensive. I expect the Lords will tear it to pieces and change it beyond recognition OR it'll still be so bad when enacted and there'll be so many legal challenges that it won't come into force before the next GE. |
But as a political and electoral wedge issue there’s also no real issue if it fails or is blocked.
The rhetoric about the dangerous and treacherous woke left who hate Britain and Britishness will be “confirmed” and amplified across the media and in the election campaigning. As well as portraying the Tories as the party who wants to take back control and will tap into the Trumpian/Putinesque authoritarian and xenophobic populism that way too many people in the UK seem to lap up.
It’s all narrative BS with little basis in reality. And especially as it’s co-opting the long-standing underlying problems and concerns facing UK society and the economy while effectively ignoring them. But that’s increasingly the secret sauce of UK politics and political coverage these days. | |
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| I would be interested to know if you look at BBC.co.uk right now on 12:28 - Mar 14 with 990 views | eireblue |
| I would be interested to know if you look at BBC.co.uk right now on 12:06 - Mar 14 by Darth_Koont |
But as a political and electoral wedge issue there’s also no real issue if it fails or is blocked.
The rhetoric about the dangerous and treacherous woke left who hate Britain and Britishness will be “confirmed” and amplified across the media and in the election campaigning. As well as portraying the Tories as the party who wants to take back control and will tap into the Trumpian/Putinesque authoritarian and xenophobic populism that way too many people in the UK seem to lap up.
It’s all narrative BS with little basis in reality. And especially as it’s co-opting the long-standing underlying problems and concerns facing UK society and the economy while effectively ignoring them. But that’s increasingly the secret sauce of UK politics and political coverage these days. |
My hope is that the Tories have miscalculated the relative size on either side of their wedge. |  | | |
| I would be interested to know if you look at BBC.co.uk right now on 12:29 - Mar 14 with 986 views | giant_stow |
| I would be interested to know if you look at BBC.co.uk right now on 11:51 - Mar 14 by Swansea_Blue |
It's horrendously bad. It effectively denies (or at best significantly curtails) the right to claim asylum in the UK (in that the vast majority do so after arriving through irregular routes). This bill criminalises those individuals and denies the right to claim asylum, which is in breach of international law.
It would indeed split families and lead to the detention and in a few cases the deportation of unaccompanied children. It would mean we hold increasingly tens to then hundreds of thousands of people. We'd be refusing to allow them to claim asylum, but we also can't send the vast majority anywhere because we don't have any agreement to return them (don't mention the 'B' word!). A trickle may end up being deported through the Rwanda scheme, but that doesn't work either and won't make much difference on the numbers.
I can't see this ever happening to be honest - it is so bad, unworkable, illegal and unnecessarily expensive. I expect the Lords will tear it to pieces and change it beyond recognition OR it'll still be so bad when enacted and there'll be so many legal challenges that it won't come into force before the next GE. |
Utterly immoral. The next election is looking like a real pivotal moment. I know many feel Labour aren't going far enough, but my word what havoc will the tories cause if they get in again. | |
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| I would be interested to know if you look at BBC.co.uk right now on 12:38 - Mar 14 with 964 views | Darth_Koont |
| I would be interested to know if you look at BBC.co.uk right now on 12:28 - Mar 14 by eireblue |
My hope is that the Tories have miscalculated the relative size on either side of their wedge. |
Indeed.
But Brexit and 13 years and counting of progressively worse Tory governments, not to mention the evidence of Trump and his supporters still setting the mood music in the States, shows that we regularly underestimate those forces and their size.
Also I think the UK is still declining and unravelling which will feed into this kind of simplistic, populistic and divisive politics that blames others and exploits ignorance. The emptiness of the opposition and the standard of public debate/coverage also create the void for that to thrive. | |
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