| Player trading 11:43 - Apr 6 with 3143 views | blueislander |
Re, Ashton’s statement. I have brain freeze. Who have we sold for serious money aside from Dozzell and Downes? |  | | |  |
| Player trading on 11:47 - Apr 6 with 2847 views | bournemouthblue |
It's wages as well, which we have rekindled a bit too, I don't think we are necessarily paying as much as you think on that account
I believe Walton is our top paid player on about 12k a week, that's probably less than we would have been paying in the Championship?
Not sure what Norwood was on but I was on the impression he was on a plum contract, which meant he favoured us over a Championship club at the time |  |
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| Player trading on 11:48 - Apr 6 with 2823 views | Keno |
Didnt we get something for the lad who went to Norwich?
and a fee for Toto? |  |
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| Player trading on 11:50 - Apr 6 with 2827 views | mylittletown |
He seems to including next season's forecast trading in that statement, so we may be planning to get rid of a few decent but (presumably) non critical squad members.
Candidates? |  | | |
| Player trading on 11:53 - Apr 6 with 2792 views | xrayspecs |
Was claimed on here that Gibbs compensation was around £1m
Simpson was around £400k
Dozzell and Downes combined around £2.7m plus an add on for Downes, another £1m?
Small fees for Lankester, Hawkins possibly.
So we have brought in around £5m.
Outgoing fees would surely be above that when you include Clarke and Broadhead.
Ashton talked about balancing the books over a three season period, including next year, which means they may be looking to move some of the current squad on for fees this summer? | | | |
| Player trading on 11:54 - Apr 6 with 2764 views | Rozz |
This statement from Ashton appears confused to me. Seems to say that we've balanced books on fees if you include forecast for next year:
"If you take a three-year period, take last year, this year and forecast out next year, you’ve got all the money that we’ve spent on those players".
Does that assume we don't buy anyone else?
"If you take the money that we’ve spend versus the money that we’ve brought in over that period, last year, this year and next year, the cash we’ve spent is literally zero."
Talking about two different time frames. |  | | |
| Player trading on 11:56 - Apr 6 with 2706 views | mylittletown |
| Player trading on 11:54 - Apr 6 by Rozz |
This statement from Ashton appears confused to me. Seems to say that we've balanced books on fees if you include forecast for next year:
"If you take a three-year period, take last year, this year and forecast out next year, you’ve got all the money that we’ve spent on those players".
Does that assume we don't buy anyone else?
"If you take the money that we’ve spend versus the money that we’ve brought in over that period, last year, this year and next year, the cash we’ve spent is literally zero."
Talking about two different time frames. |
Sounds like government minister talk! | | | |
| Player trading on 11:58 - Apr 6 with 2675 views | Rozz |
| Player trading on 11:50 - Apr 6 by mylittletown |
He seems to including next season's forecast trading in that statement, so we may be planning to get rid of a few decent but (presumably) non critical squad members.
Candidates? |
Ashton will sell high value assets if the deal is right. Depending on what division we end up in, we could well see players like Davis leaving if demand is high from above. | | | |
| Player trading on 12:00 - Apr 6 with 2663 views | SheffordBlue |
There are likely to be trigger clauses in some of the contracts that might see us receive some more coming in as well.
E.g Bristol City may well have had a clause when they sold Webster to Brighton that if the latter qualify for Europe they pay a bonus and dependent on the sell on clause we had we would receive a % of that. Similiar scenario with Downes.
If Marcelo Flores breaks into the Arsenal first team we'll also be due a development fee due to him having spent time in our Academy before they poached him. | |
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| [Redacted] on 12:04 - Apr 6 with 2619 views | victorywilhappen |
| Player trading on 11:50 - Apr 6 by mylittletown |
He seems to including next season's forecast trading in that statement, so we may be planning to get rid of a few decent but (presumably) non critical squad members.
Candidates? |
[Redacted] |  | | |
| Player trading on 12:10 - Apr 6 with 2583 views | Rozz |
| Player trading on 12:00 - Apr 6 by SheffordBlue |
There are likely to be trigger clauses in some of the contracts that might see us receive some more coming in as well.
E.g Bristol City may well have had a clause when they sold Webster to Brighton that if the latter qualify for Europe they pay a bonus and dependent on the sell on clause we had we would receive a % of that. Similiar scenario with Downes.
If Marcelo Flores breaks into the Arsenal first team we'll also be due a development fee due to him having spent time in our Academy before they poached him. |
Good point. It would make more sense in terms of his wording if referring to deals that are done but are being repaid over longer terms. | | | |
| Player trading on 12:20 - Apr 6 with 2498 views | Radlett_blue |
| Player trading on 11:53 - Apr 6 by xrayspecs |
Was claimed on here that Gibbs compensation was around £1m
Simpson was around £400k
Dozzell and Downes combined around £2.7m plus an add on for Downes, another £1m?
Small fees for Lankester, Hawkins possibly.
So we have brought in around £5m.
Outgoing fees would surely be above that when you include Clarke and Broadhead.
Ashton talked about balancing the books over a three season period, including next year, which means they may be looking to move some of the current squad on for fees this summer? |
Scott Fraser would have earned a fee from Charlton & maybe Teddy Bishop would have attracted a small fee. |  |
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| Player trading on 12:22 - Apr 6 with 2460 views | clive_baker |
| Player trading on 11:54 - Apr 6 by Rozz |
This statement from Ashton appears confused to me. Seems to say that we've balanced books on fees if you include forecast for next year:
"If you take a three-year period, take last year, this year and forecast out next year, you’ve got all the money that we’ve spent on those players".
Does that assume we don't buy anyone else?
"If you take the money that we’ve spend versus the money that we’ve brought in over that period, last year, this year and next year, the cash we’ve spent is literally zero."
Talking about two different time frames. |
Think he was probably referring to the trading that's been done already, with some assumptions around future in / outflows from those deals.
I didn't take it as meaning it's 1 in, 1 out this summer. Or £1 in, £1 out more to the point. |  |
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| Player trading on 12:24 - Apr 6 with 2432 views | Herbivore |
| Player trading on 12:20 - Apr 6 by Radlett_blue |
Scott Fraser would have earned a fee from Charlton & maybe Teddy Bishop would have attracted a small fee. |
Pretty sure I read that we managed to sell Fraser for more than we paid for him. |  |
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| Player trading on 12:55 - Apr 6 with 2269 views | catch74 |
| Player trading on 12:24 - Apr 6 by Herbivore |
Pretty sure I read that we managed to sell Fraser for more than we paid for him. |
‘The missing piece of their jigsaw’ apparently. |  |
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| Player trading on 13:17 - Apr 6 with 2130 views | itfc_bucks |
| Player trading on 11:58 - Apr 6 by Rozz |
Ashton will sell high value assets if the deal is right. Depending on what division we end up in, we could well see players like Davis leaving if demand is high from above. |
Granted, I'm making an assumption here, but if we were to go up this season, and Leif takes to the Champ as easily as he has Lge1, can you imagine the sort of fee he'll command as a young, promising, English leftie?
And for the first time in my adult lifetime, we've got the talent in the boardroom to trust they'd find the right replacement. | | | |
| Player trading on 13:22 - Apr 6 with 2081 views | DanTheMan |
| Player trading on 13:17 - Apr 6 by itfc_bucks |
Granted, I'm making an assumption here, but if we were to go up this season, and Leif takes to the Champ as easily as he has Lge1, can you imagine the sort of fee he'll command as a young, promising, English leftie?
And for the first time in my adult lifetime, we've got the talent in the boardroom to trust they'd find the right replacement. |
That's basically the strategy, and they did indicate this was essentially what they were going to do when they came in. Unlike Evans who penny-pinched and relied on essentially getting miracles on a free, we've gone for the "spend money to make money approach".
Find a player whose value seems lower than it should be and who is at a good age (Davis, Broadhead, Clarke) and then if they do well they'll be worth substantially more than you paid for them.
Use that money to do more of the same. There'll be misses of course but the principle is sound. |  |
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| Player trading on 13:24 - Apr 6 with 2063 views | Rozz |
| Player trading on 13:17 - Apr 6 by itfc_bucks |
Granted, I'm making an assumption here, but if we were to go up this season, and Leif takes to the Champ as easily as he has Lge1, can you imagine the sort of fee he'll command as a young, promising, English leftie?
And for the first time in my adult lifetime, we've got the talent in the boardroom to trust they'd find the right replacement. |
Yep, he's got huge value potential. His stats this season are a very high level and you'd imagine he'd come very near the top of most scouting reports for that position.
Sounds like there's money problems in the Championship which may work in our favour should we fall short of promotion, however I think we should get comfortable with the idea of Ashton flogging the odd star player to fund other investments when the opportunities arise. | | | |
| Player trading on 13:29 - Apr 6 with 2043 views | Guthrum |
He said he was looking over three years of trading, not just last season or this.
Also referred to the fact that payments can happen in installments, so not all the money for our purchases has gone out at once. Thus the outlay being covered is lower than the headline transfer fees. |  |
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| Player trading on 13:34 - Apr 6 with 2005 views | J2BLUE |
| Player trading on 13:17 - Apr 6 by itfc_bucks |
Granted, I'm making an assumption here, but if we were to go up this season, and Leif takes to the Champ as easily as he has Lge1, can you imagine the sort of fee he'll command as a young, promising, English leftie?
And for the first time in my adult lifetime, we've got the talent in the boardroom to trust they'd find the right replacement. |
He's a leftie?
Not another one  |  |
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| Player trading on 13:42 - Apr 6 with 1937 views | blueislander |
| Player trading on 13:34 - Apr 6 by J2BLUE |
He's a leftie?
Not another one |
Does that make Burns a rightie? | | | |
| Player trading on 13:44 - Apr 6 with 1923 views | itfc_bucks |
| Player trading on 13:42 - Apr 6 by blueislander |
Does that make Burns a rightie? |
Well, I've seen what his old man puts out on Twitter, so I guess it's whether the apple falls far from the tree, isn't it? | | | |
| Player trading on 17:53 - Apr 6 with 1567 views | BleuBlue |
| Player trading on 11:53 - Apr 6 by xrayspecs |
Was claimed on here that Gibbs compensation was around £1m
Simpson was around £400k
Dozzell and Downes combined around £2.7m plus an add on for Downes, another £1m?
Small fees for Lankester, Hawkins possibly.
So we have brought in around £5m.
Outgoing fees would surely be above that when you include Clarke and Broadhead.
Ashton talked about balancing the books over a three season period, including next year, which means they may be looking to move some of the current squad on for fees this summer? |
Gibbs £1m? Ha ha, he looks terrible. Cheers Nodge you mugs. |  | | |
| Player trading on 18:09 - Apr 6 with 1527 views | Horsham |
| Player trading on 13:29 - Apr 6 by Guthrum |
He said he was looking over three years of trading, not just last season or this.
Also referred to the fact that payments can happen in installments, so not all the money for our purchases has gone out at once. Thus the outlay being covered is lower than the headline transfer fees. |
I think the structure of the deals is a key point. He was careful to mention cash. The player we bought for a million pounds is still a player we bought for a million pounds even if we are paying the million pounds off over a million years. |  | | |
| Player trading on 01:27 - Apr 7 with 1161 views | Bluespeed225 |
Downes to score OG in front of North Stand for spammers next season. | | | |
| Player trading on 08:18 - Apr 7 with 929 views | Leaky |
| Player trading on 13:42 - Apr 6 by blueislander |
Does that make Burns a rightie? |
He won't be HARRY's player of the season then |  | | |
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