| Paul Cook 10:51 - Apr 28 with 9280 views | clive_baker |
Does he deserve a bit of credit for being so ruthless with the previous group? I felt there was a case of some babies out with the bathwater and do wonder what might've been for a handful of those, but the huge reset he oversaw was long overdue here. If we were to rid the club of that culture of mediocrity and acceptance he had to be a bit brutal with it, and was. The Demolition Man. I'm glad he didn't come in as another yes man, called it as he saw it, fair play for that at least.
Results were terrible, awful start to the season but we showed some glimpses (Doncaster home, Wycmobe away). Ultimately never delivered a level of consistency under him, glad he moved on, but in his defense he at least signed Burns, Walton, Edmundson, Morsy, Chaplin, Burgess, Edwards. Evans to a lesser extent. Brought JD back in from the cold as well.
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| Paul Cook on 12:07 - Apr 28 with 1508 views | nodge_blue |
I don't think you are being too generous.
We had a lot more hits with our recruitment under Cook. And he wasn't wrong bout Morsey when he said he would stop those weak type midfield displays. |  |
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| Paul Cook on 12:09 - Apr 28 with 1500 views | Illinoisblue |
| Paul Cook on 11:46 - Apr 28 by itfcjoe |
I don't see it still, I think it is forgotten just how many players were out of contract that summer, that could have gone without all the demolition man spiel and the need to throw the baby out with bathwater
That summer - we could/would have released the following at end of contract:
Chambers, Huws, Judge, Sears, Skuse, Ward, Wilson, Nolan
We offered new deals/took option on
Nsiala, Donacien
Plus lonas:
McGuinness, Harrop, Parrott, Matheson, Thomas, Bennetts
Muutal consent release
Oli Hawkins, Dai Cornell
Sold
Dozzell, Lankester, Drinan, Gibbs Bishop, Downes
I'm sure there are players in the first couple of groups you could say wrong decision made on - James Wilson to go, Toto Nsiala to stay. Had we released Donacien that would have proven to be a mistake - but realistically had all those out of contract players gone then would have still been a massive rebuild required
Just think we didn't take enough care in the sales section:
Dozzell - wanted to go and had a release clause - didn't really miss him
Lankester - Not sure fee we got for him, but if was next to nothing think he is a player we could have persisted with for one more season as he was under contract
Drinan - I always found him a decent option, ironically he'd have probably been more use this season than he was in 21/22
Gibbs - A clear mistake, but think there are extenuating circumstances as one that got lost in between regimes....but if demo man not in full swing would more care have been taken
Bishop - Time may have come for him to move on, but a player I'd have loved to have seen at a time when we were investimg more in medical department - but prob damage had been done with the career stall
Downes - the big mistake for me, especially when you Dyer talk about him. If we could have got him into that McKenna team he'd have been very special and worth serious money
Also Kayden Jackson was in the bomb squad - that would have been a mistake to let him go
Myles Kenlock there too - instead we paid him a wage for a season to not be in squad when he could quite easily have played the role the totally ineffectual Matt Penney could have done
Had we just done the obvious thing - released everyone we could, and took a bit of care over the rest, then i think we'd have been in a better position as a club, and would have meant not started the season so slowly and may have changed a lot - but Cook totally screwed himself over with his approach and cost himself the job |
Would be interesting to hear Cook’s opinion on how it all went down. Obviously he’s focused on Chesterfield now but maybe as time passes he’ll open up. |  |
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| Paul Cook on 12:10 - Apr 28 with 1495 views | davblue |
| Paul Cook on 12:05 - Apr 28 by clive_baker |
I think what we tend to forget as well is the environment in which these managers have had to operate.
I would never and will never defend Lambert, I can't stand him and think he went about things terribly here. He checked out months before he left, had little to no professional pride or relationship with players and was a complete car crash. Not to mention the way he carried himself publicly. Utter disaster.
What I would say though is we were going down regardless, and then in L1 there was so much wrong off the pitch that made his job really difficult. On paper it was a squad that should've been better than mid table, but in reality when we've got a top of the table clash in November at home to Charlton and he's having to start Brett McGavin and 9 year old Gibbs in centre mid against Shinnie and Jonny Williams, because nobody else was fit. It was like being given a mid-range super car at Brands Hatch with a flat tyre. Pretty depressing being overtaken by a 12 year old Fiesta, but to some extent inevitable. And poor old Lee O'N. That was so dark. |
would be interesting to see how Lambert would have done here with the money now available, back room set up.
But his man management was utterly dreadful apparently, tactically he wasn't sharp and he was a game player with owners, so i suspect it wouldn't have been dreadfully different. The football we played under him was dreadful boring and i think the bloke is a to55er as well! |  | | |
| Paul Cook on 12:12 - Apr 28 with 1486 views | clive_baker |
| Paul Cook on 12:10 - Apr 28 by davblue |
would be interesting to see how Lambert would have done here with the money now available, back room set up.
But his man management was utterly dreadful apparently, tactically he wasn't sharp and he was a game player with owners, so i suspect it wouldn't have been dreadfully different. The football we played under him was dreadful boring and i think the bloke is a to55er as well! |
Yeah. Still dreadful I imagine, because he's a disaster of a man manager and tactically clueless. But he would at least have the tools to do his job. | |
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| Paul Cook on 12:18 - Apr 28 with 1457 views | LankHenners |
| Paul Cook on 11:58 - Apr 28 by pennblue |
" he wanted to deflect blame away from himself over how bad a job he was doing"
I don't really care why he did it, my point is, he did it, and that was the trigger to getting Evans to sell imo
I did not say his motives were always 100% for the club, but his actions were significant, he really called Evans out like no-one else had previously done. |
I don't think Lambert muttering aimlessly about 'structure' had anything to do with Evans making the decision to sell at all, Gamechanger kicking the tyres of the club was already well underway at that point.
A man who had spent almost his whole time here blaming someone or something else for his shortcomings was throwing out one last complaint, and it wasn't one that hadn't already been voiced towards Evans anyway. |  |
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| Paul Cook on 12:20 - Apr 28 with 1445 views | SE1blue |
| Paul Cook on 12:12 - Apr 28 by clive_baker |
Yeah. Still dreadful I imagine, because he's a disaster of a man manager and tactically clueless. But he would at least have the tools to do his job. |
100%. Lambert's tactics are past their sell by date and football has evolved beyond his scope or interest. As someone else said further up, he was looking to cash out at the end as he knew he was out of his depth for what this club needed next.
Regarding the OP, for finally removing Freddie Sears, Cook gets a pat on the back from me. [Post edited 28 Apr 2023 12:21]
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| Paul Cook on 12:23 - Apr 28 with 1440 views | Herbivore |
| Paul Cook on 11:58 - Apr 28 by pennblue |
" he wanted to deflect blame away from himself over how bad a job he was doing"
I don't really care why he did it, my point is, he did it, and that was the trigger to getting Evans to sell imo
I did not say his motives were always 100% for the club, but his actions were significant, he really called Evans out like no-one else had previously done. |
The trigger for Evans selling was Gamechanger making an acceptable offer, to give any credit to Lambert for Evans selling up is bizarre. |  |
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| Paul Cook on 12:23 - Apr 28 with 1442 views | davblue |
| Paul Cook on 12:09 - Apr 28 by Illinoisblue |
Would be interesting to hear Cook’s opinion on how it all went down. Obviously he’s focused on Chesterfield now but maybe as time passes he’ll open up. |
BlueMonday special is what your saying right?
Think a Chambers one would be interesting also. Would love to hear his honest thoughts on his time her especially post Mick. [Post edited 28 Apr 2023 12:24]
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| Paul Cook on 12:24 - Apr 28 with 1441 views | Pendejo |
No!
Forget everything you've written.
When he arrived we'd just won 3 games straight and were in a good position to push on for play offs.
Close season was the time and place to go on a wrecking spree NOT mid-season |  |
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| Paul Cook on 12:27 - Apr 28 with 1426 views | Pique |
| Paul Cook on 11:46 - Apr 28 by itfcjoe |
I don't see it still, I think it is forgotten just how many players were out of contract that summer, that could have gone without all the demolition man spiel and the need to throw the baby out with bathwater
That summer - we could/would have released the following at end of contract:
Chambers, Huws, Judge, Sears, Skuse, Ward, Wilson, Nolan
We offered new deals/took option on
Nsiala, Donacien
Plus lonas:
McGuinness, Harrop, Parrott, Matheson, Thomas, Bennetts
Muutal consent release
Oli Hawkins, Dai Cornell
Sold
Dozzell, Lankester, Drinan, Gibbs Bishop, Downes
I'm sure there are players in the first couple of groups you could say wrong decision made on - James Wilson to go, Toto Nsiala to stay. Had we released Donacien that would have proven to be a mistake - but realistically had all those out of contract players gone then would have still been a massive rebuild required
Just think we didn't take enough care in the sales section:
Dozzell - wanted to go and had a release clause - didn't really miss him
Lankester - Not sure fee we got for him, but if was next to nothing think he is a player we could have persisted with for one more season as he was under contract
Drinan - I always found him a decent option, ironically he'd have probably been more use this season than he was in 21/22
Gibbs - A clear mistake, but think there are extenuating circumstances as one that got lost in between regimes....but if demo man not in full swing would more care have been taken
Bishop - Time may have come for him to move on, but a player I'd have loved to have seen at a time when we were investimg more in medical department - but prob damage had been done with the career stall
Downes - the big mistake for me, especially when you Dyer talk about him. If we could have got him into that McKenna team he'd have been very special and worth serious money
Also Kayden Jackson was in the bomb squad - that would have been a mistake to let him go
Myles Kenlock there too - instead we paid him a wage for a season to not be in squad when he could quite easily have played the role the totally ineffectual Matt Penney could have done
Had we just done the obvious thing - released everyone we could, and took a bit of care over the rest, then i think we'd have been in a better position as a club, and would have meant not started the season so slowly and may have changed a lot - but Cook totally screwed himself over with his approach and cost himself the job |
Agree with some of that (Wilson/Nsiala was a big mistake), but have to take issue with other bits. It was time for Lankester and Bishop to move on, and I think their subsequent careers have vindicated that decision. Drinan was nowhere near good enough. And Downes was on his way whatever happened, it was time for him to step up to the Championship and he'd had enough, so not sure there was a mistake made there - if anything we got a good deal there with the sell on. As for Gibbs, who knows what really happened there - probably slipped between the cracks as you say, but he hasn't impressed me much since. |  | | |
| Paul Cook on 12:32 - Apr 28 with 1399 views | davblue |
| Paul Cook on 11:30 - Apr 28 by Superblue95 |
Your middle 2 paragraphs defending Lambert is utter guff.
He called out Evans as he wanted to deflect blame away from himself over how bad a job he was doing. Everybody already knew the state of how badly/cheaply Evans was running things.
With regards re-engaging he got bored of that after a couple of months, aside from buying a few beers. He banned Phil from pressers and then didn’t even bother doing any media work himself towards the end. He just whinged and moaned about everything like a petulant child while serving up crap football and adding to a squad of crap players and crap loans with even more crap players and crap loans.
His tenure was surely the most miserable in any town fans existence and while it wasn’t all his fault, enough of it was to comfortably describe him as bad for the club |
It was toxic towards the end, that's been forgotten by some.
None of the fans liked the club or Lambert, he didn't want to be here and he was constantly playing games with the powers that be. Taylor was awful as well, hope we never see them set foot in our ground again, waste of spaces who also done damage to the club after some initial PR. | | | |
| Paul Cook on 12:46 - Apr 28 with 1351 views | Illinoisblue |
| Paul Cook on 12:23 - Apr 28 by davblue |
BlueMonday special is what your saying right?
Think a Chambers one would be interesting also. Would love to hear his honest thoughts on his time her especially post Mick. [Post edited 28 Apr 2023 12:24]
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That would be great. In depth discussion. People still working in the game prob won’t want to rock any boats but would be really interesting to hear how bad/weird things were at the club back then. | |
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| Paul Cook on 12:52 - Apr 28 with 1320 views | IP4_Blue |
| Paul Cook on 11:49 - Apr 28 by itfcjoe |
I think you could give any League 1 manager the budget we had last summer and they'd sign some quality players for this level - it was almost fantasy football like.
One of the reasons why I think he got the tin-tack was that he was trying to push more players out in January (including ones we had just signed) and sign even more players - that's not talent spotting, it's just taking the easiest route |
one of the other reasons he was a pi**hed and coke head! |  | | |
| Paul Cook on 12:57 - Apr 28 with 1285 views | BlueBadger |
| Paul Cook on 11:20 - Apr 28 by pennblue |
It seems to be common place to say any manager that did not win promotion was automatically a failure. That is a very simplistic take on things.
Of course Paul Cook should take a lot of credit and I am sure he would have had us right up there by now as well with the resources available.
I too think Paul Lambert stuck his neck right out, and called out Evans as to the state of the football club. He also recognised the importance of re-engaging the supporters, the team and the club.
To suggest these managers were bad for the club is ridiculous.
Paul Hirst however, I find it more difficult to give too much credit too, but he was working within a different set of financial parameters.
You also have to remember Lambert + Hirst had zero infrastructure around them. They had little to no support around them whatsoever, and I think we can all see how important that whole structure is. |
Lambert would have failed under the current infrastructure. Because he was an incompetent fraud.
Cook DID fail under the current infrastructure. |  |
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| Paul Cook on 13:15 - Apr 28 with 1221 views | BlueBadger |
| Paul Cook on 12:07 - Apr 28 by nodge_blue |
I don't think you are being too generous.
We had a lot more hits with our recruitment under Cook. And he wasn't wrong bout Morsey when he said he would stop those weak type midfield displays. |
Trouble is, it took until he left to actually GET those strong midfield displays. | |
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| Paul Cook on 13:18 - Apr 28 with 1215 views | BlueBadger |
| Paul Cook on 12:10 - Apr 28 by davblue |
would be interesting to see how Lambert would have done here with the money now available, back room set up.
But his man management was utterly dreadful apparently, tactically he wasn't sharp and he was a game player with owners, so i suspect it wouldn't have been dreadfully different. The football we played under him was dreadful boring and i think the bloke is a to55er as well! |
Lambert would have failed still, because he was an incompetent fraud who couldn't be arsed working on tactics, formations, fitness or coaching. Only thing he was interested in was his own PR. | |
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| Paul Cook on 14:42 - Apr 28 with 1143 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Paul Cook on 12:57 - Apr 28 by BlueBadger |
Lambert would have failed under the current infrastructure. Because he was an incompetent fraud.
Cook DID fail under the current infrastructure. |
Lambert was a fraud blah blah blah.....tell us about fantastic professionals we had in the team. Never their fault as they were the 'legends' weren't they? [Post edited 28 Apr 2023 14:46]
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| Paul Cook on 14:44 - Apr 28 with 1136 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
Two things will always remain a huge turning point in the history of the club that is Gamechanger's arrival and Demolition Job.
Cook did a priceless thing for us by kicking out those frauds out of the club. He was the third manager they didn't play for. He cleared out the changing from, no more 'comfortable zone' for players.
Skuse, Chambers, Sears, Bishop, Dozzell and others ....peoples darlings. Nice and comfortable life, easy payday and they knew they would be in the team in the next game. Very comfortable life and they also knew that the fans would suck off everything about them. It was all managers' fault for many people.
The number of Cook's signings were involved in smashing Peterborough 3-0 last week for example. The frauds whom he kicked out of the club had embarrassed us against the same opponent 1-4 at Portman Road. One of the examples as to how everything has changed for bett | | | |
| Paul Cook on 14:46 - Apr 28 with 1128 views | Herbivore |
| Paul Cook on 14:42 - Apr 28 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Lambert was a fraud blah blah blah.....tell us about fantastic professionals we had in the team. Never their fault as they were the 'legends' weren't they? [Post edited 28 Apr 2023 14:46]
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We're talking about managers, and as managers go Lambert was utterly useless. | |
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| Paul Cook on 14:46 - Apr 28 with 1123 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Paul Cook on 14:46 - Apr 28 by Herbivore |
We're talking about managers, and as managers go Lambert was utterly useless. |
So were the players. | | | |
| Paul Cook on 14:47 - Apr 28 with 1121 views | Herbivore |
Really? Surprised you've never mentioned it before. | |
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| Paul Cook on 14:48 - Apr 28 with 1123 views | hype313 |
| Paul Cook on 14:44 - Apr 28 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Two things will always remain a huge turning point in the history of the club that is Gamechanger's arrival and Demolition Job.
Cook did a priceless thing for us by kicking out those frauds out of the club. He was the third manager they didn't play for. He cleared out the changing from, no more 'comfortable zone' for players.
Skuse, Chambers, Sears, Bishop, Dozzell and others ....peoples darlings. Nice and comfortable life, easy payday and they knew they would be in the team in the next game. Very comfortable life and they also knew that the fans would suck off everything about them. It was all managers' fault for many people.
The number of Cook's signings were involved in smashing Peterborough 3-0 last week for example. The frauds whom he kicked out of the club had embarrassed us against the same opponent 1-4 at Portman Road. One of the examples as to how everything has changed for bett |
"Cook did a priceless thing for us by kicking out those frauds out of the club. He was the third manager they didn't play for. He cleared out the changing from, no more 'comfortable zone' for players."
And then went onto become such a huge success... |  |
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| Paul Cook on 14:53 - Apr 28 with 1115 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Paul Cook on 14:47 - Apr 28 by Herbivore |
Really? Surprised you've never mentioned it before. |
And you of course have never mentioned how bad the managers were.
And how magnificent our skipper was. The legend.
Tell us about it. | | | |
| Paul Cook on 14:56 - Apr 28 with 1110 views | blueasfook |
| Paul Cook on 14:48 - Apr 28 by hype313 |
"Cook did a priceless thing for us by kicking out those frauds out of the club. He was the third manager they didn't play for. He cleared out the changing from, no more 'comfortable zone' for players."
And then went onto become such a huge success... |
He did the clear out bit right, he just couldnt manage the success bit! |  |
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| Paul Cook on 15:18 - Apr 28 with 1073 views | Stenvict |
| Paul Cook on 14:44 - Apr 28 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Two things will always remain a huge turning point in the history of the club that is Gamechanger's arrival and Demolition Job.
Cook did a priceless thing for us by kicking out those frauds out of the club. He was the third manager they didn't play for. He cleared out the changing from, no more 'comfortable zone' for players.
Skuse, Chambers, Sears, Bishop, Dozzell and others ....peoples darlings. Nice and comfortable life, easy payday and they knew they would be in the team in the next game. Very comfortable life and they also knew that the fans would suck off everything about them. It was all managers' fault for many people.
The number of Cook's signings were involved in smashing Peterborough 3-0 last week for example. The frauds whom he kicked out of the club had embarrassed us against the same opponent 1-4 at Portman Road. One of the examples as to how everything has changed for bett |
Your hatred for Chambers, who clearly loved, and still loves the club, is very weird.
Yes, he may have not been as good as he once was, but he always gave his all for the club. | |
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