| Sunak: "I’m not detecting any massive groundswell of movement towards 08:04 - May 5 with 5317 views | homer_123 |
the Labour Party or excitement for their agenda."
Evidence: Lab +117 vs Con -217 |  |
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| Sunak: "I’m not detecting any massive groundswell of movement towards on 09:44 - May 5 with 2192 views | Guthrum |
| Sunak: "I’m not detecting any massive groundswell of movement towards on 09:34 - May 5 by J2BLUE |
The spin is already driving me insane. Every Tory saying the same thing, mentioning the same places. Party politics is so tedious. |
It's because they have no genuine ideological points to argue. It's all about lowering taxes and attracting voters in the marginals - i.e. gaming the system to win elections. |  |
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| Sunak: "I’m not detecting any massive groundswell of movement towards on 09:45 - May 5 with 2180 views | DJR |
| Sunak: "I’m not detecting any massive groundswell of movement towards on 09:40 - May 5 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Is there any indication of turn out yet? |
I've had a quick look at the Medway results. A couple are around 20%, one is 31% and another is 39%.
Nationally, the turn-out for local elections is normally around 30% but it may be too early to know the turn-out nationally. |  | | |
| Sunak: "I’m not detecting any massive groundswell of movement towards on 09:46 - May 5 with 2176 views | Guthrum |
| Sunak: "I’m not detecting any massive groundswell of movement towards on 09:40 - May 5 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Is there any indication of turn out yet? |
Probably low, it always is outside of General Elections. Reckon it will be in the 30%-40% range. | |
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| Sunak: "I’m not detecting any massive groundswell of movement towards on 09:49 - May 5 with 2160 views | Darth_Koont |
| Sunak: "I’m not detecting any massive groundswell of movement towards on 09:20 - May 5 by Guthrum |
But then the UK public do not have the stomach to vote for anything truly radical. Most people have fairly comfortable lives - even the cost of living crisis means they are only contemplating not having the same holidays or going out so often, rather than starving in the streets. For decades they have been told that progressive change will lead to a reduction in their personal standards of living, so that's what they believe. In order to get into power, a prospective government has to pander to that, otherwise they fail like Corbyn (who wasn't all that radical really) or remain small like the LibDems and Greens.
Labour's current primary selling point is around claiming at least a modicum of competence and less open grift. Which may be an improvement. |
Considering how out of step the major political parties are with the public on major economic issues, the underlying structural problems in the UK and the global reality beyond, arguably the British voters have only radical options in a GE.
Radically committed to changing as little as possible but that’s radical for anyone who thinks that the accepted status quo is where we’ve long been failing UK citizens and leaving reality behind. |  |
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| Sunak: "I’m not detecting any massive groundswell of movement towards on 09:52 - May 5 with 2124 views | Churchman |
| Sunak: "I’m not detecting any massive groundswell of movement towards on 09:32 - May 5 by mylittletown |
How on earth people can feel safe with the party which has, almost systematically, bug*ered the economy for the last 13 years is beyond me.
(And I also can't stand Corbyn, Benn, Abbott, and many of the Union leaders.) |
The answer to your question is I’ve no idea. Deferred safety? In other words the devil you know, things will always be worse under Labour/they’ll always make me poorer?
Whatever the reason, they’ll get a bigger vote than the 5% they actually represent, however illogical the reasons are for that. I bet plenty would see that fraud Johnson back at the helm too. Funny old world. |  | | |
| Sunak: "I’m not detecting any massive groundswell of movement towards on 10:04 - May 5 with 2074 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Sunak: "I’m not detecting any massive groundswell of movement towards on 09:52 - May 5 by Churchman |
The answer to your question is I’ve no idea. Deferred safety? In other words the devil you know, things will always be worse under Labour/they’ll always make me poorer?
Whatever the reason, they’ll get a bigger vote than the 5% they actually represent, however illogical the reasons are for that. I bet plenty would see that fraud Johnson back at the helm too. Funny old world. |
Starmer really ought to be seen, by the electorate, as a safe option. After all he was awarded a knighthood for services to the establishment.
That ought to make waivering Tories feel safe. |  |
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| Sunak: "I’m not detecting any massive groundswell of movement towards on 10:14 - May 5 with 2027 views | mylittletown |
| Sunak: "I’m not detecting any massive groundswell of movement towards on 10:04 - May 5 by Pinewoodblue |
Starmer really ought to be seen, by the electorate, as a safe option. After all he was awarded a knighthood for services to the establishment.
That ought to make waivering Tories feel safe. |
imho ,comparative safety is all that Labour offer, and probably all that they need to offer.
Even most of the Tories up at the golf club recognise that their party needs to go away and have a serious clear out and a serious examination of what they stand for. |  | | |
| Sunak: "I’m not detecting any massive groundswell of movement towards on 10:22 - May 5 with 2019 views | Tonytown |
| Sunak: "I’m not detecting any massive groundswell of movement towards on 10:14 - May 5 by mylittletown |
imho ,comparative safety is all that Labour offer, and probably all that they need to offer.
Even most of the Tories up at the golf club recognise that their party needs to go away and have a serious clear out and a serious examination of what they stand for. |
Lots of tactical voting to get the Tories out.
I voted Lib Dem as did a number of other Labour supporters in my village as they had twice as many votes as Labour did last time.
As usual, the combined Labour, Lib Dem & Green vote was more than the Tories, but as it was split 3 ways they got in.
I’ll probably do that in the General Election too to be honest |  | | |
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| Sunak: "I’m not detecting any massive groundswell of movement towards on 10:23 - May 5 with 2022 views | OldFart71 |
| Sunak: "I’m not detecting any massive groundswell of movement towards on 08:29 - May 5 by Samuelowen88 |
It begs the question though, with lots of people still voting Conservative, what would they have to do to stop those people voting for them?
Sunak literally sh*tting on their doorstep?
Labour giving out free money? |
All this shows is how Labour is viewed. I won't be voting Tory at the next election, but I won't vote Labour either. My honest opinion on politics is that it is in the gutter. Not just because of this Government telling us one thing and doing the opposite themselves, but as far back as Maggie allowing everything to be privatised and Blair taking us into a false war and coming out smelling of roses himself with many properties in London, running a company that has made millions and paying sod all in tax's. As I see they are all in it for themselves. | | | |
| Sunak: "I’m not detecting any massive groundswell of movement towards on 10:36 - May 5 with 1981 views | DJR |
| Sunak: "I’m not detecting any massive groundswell of movement towards on 08:35 - May 5 by WeWereZombies |
Although, for me, there is a disappointing aspect of these local election results in that the Liberal Democrats are doing quite well, and that may be at the expense of Labour. There is still a sizeable chunk of the electorate who seem to have forgotten, or are not concerned, that it was the LibDems who went into coalition with the Conservatives thirteen years ago and ushered in this sorry mess of pandering to an austerity mindset. And it was Nick Clegg who become the figurehead for the surge in tuition fees and resulting burden of student loans that so many still suffer. Labour still have a hostile media to get past to win a General Election. |
And it's why PR isn't necessarily the panacea it's supposed to be because under it we would still have ended up with the ConDems in 2010. | | | |
| Sunak: "I’m not detecting any massive groundswell of movement towards on 13:51 - May 5 with 1907 views | Oldsmoker |
| Sunak: "I’m not detecting any massive groundswell of movement towards on 09:34 - May 5 by J2BLUE |
The spin is already driving me insane. Every Tory saying the same thing, mentioning the same places. Party politics is so tedious. |
Agreed.
The Conservative spin narrative is nonsense.
If they only lose 500 seats it's a good result as they were expected to lose more and of course that means it's a disastrous result for Labour 'cos they only gained 500.
FFS |  |
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| Sunak: "I’m not detecting any massive groundswell of movement towards on 14:00 - May 5 with 1897 views | J2BLUE |
| Sunak: "I’m not detecting any massive groundswell of movement towards on 13:51 - May 5 by Oldsmoker |
Agreed.
The Conservative spin narrative is nonsense.
If they only lose 500 seats it's a good result as they were expected to lose more and of course that means it's a disastrous result for Labour 'cos they only gained 500.
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Their chairman was on the news mentioning Ipswich as Labour only gained one seat. Well they beat the Tories 33-10 so what they are saying is ridiculous. |  |
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| Sunak: "I’m not detecting any massive groundswell of movement towards on 22:10 - May 5 with 1814 views | tractordownsouth |
| Sunak: "I’m not detecting any massive groundswell of movement towards on 09:30 - May 5 by Guthrum |
The LibDems are a local party. Do well in council elections but not nationally.
However, there are a number of seats, particularly here in the South West, where the LibDems are the only party who could oust the Conservatives (barring a truly miraculous swing). Thus contributing to an overall Labour victory. |
Yep. A good Liberal Democrat performance in the Home Counties is a sign of a strong Labour Party rather than the other way round because it indicates that right-leaning swing voters are willing to ‘risk’ a Labour government by voting against the Tories. |  |
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| Sunak: "I’m not detecting any massive groundswell of movement towards on 22:53 - May 5 with 1797 views | HARRY10 |
The most telling figure is the Tories pollingfigure - 26%. One that matches nationwide ekectoral polling and one that has been steadily eroding since Jan 2022.
Yesterdays voting merely demonstrated that voters have had enough of the Tories, as was also shown in the recent by elections where the LibDems posted votes that were enough to overturn 3 Tories in 20 thousand plus majorities. The thought then was they were merely a rejection of the odious Johnson. The lunatic Truss has been and gone yet here we have the same low numbers - 26%.
Those benefiting from tactical voting will claim that is their polices, that they are on the rise etc (they have to say that), but the reality is they are often no more than a convenient tool to vote out a party/MP (see 3 by elections above).
It does point to an electoral wipe out, as with 1997. Greg Hand was spouting how the Tories would lose 1000 seats, on the basis when it turned out to be only 600-700 he could claim the Tories were fighting back..
Unfortunately for him, his party is hamstrung by its beliefs. That health care should not be universal. Why care for 'useless mouths' ? Dealing with the shortage of workers, NHS especially, means admitting the ending of free movement was wrong, just as loading business with all manner of costs and regulation was wrong.
The Tory Party now faces a stark choice. Either it continues down the road of being a far right party, or it reins back and tries to project itself as a centre right party. The problem it has is that to get elected it pandered to the Farage, Britain First and ERG nutjobs - and used Johnson to remove the more sensible wing of the party. Too many constituency branches have been taken over by those same zealots and cranks.
'tomorrow belongs to me' may have been the battle hymn of young Tories - that only makes sense now, if oblivion is a day of the week. | | | |
| Sunak: "I’m not detecting any massive groundswell of movement towards on 07:12 - May 6 with 1738 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Sunak: "I’m not detecting any massive groundswell of movement towards on 14:00 - May 5 by J2BLUE |
Their chairman was on the news mentioning Ipswich as Labour only gained one seat. Well they beat the Tories 33-10 so what they are saying is ridiculous. |
Yeah but Labour didn’t get a single vote in London, Wales or Scotland on Thursday so they obviously aren’t very popular in those areas. |  |
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| Sunak: "I’m not detecting any massive groundswell of movement towards on 08:10 - May 6 with 1699 views | gazzer1999 |
| Sunak: "I’m not detecting any massive groundswell of movement towards on 14:00 - May 5 by J2BLUE |
Their chairman was on the news mentioning Ipswich as Labour only gained one seat. Well they beat the Tories 33-10 so what they are saying is ridiculous. |
Yes great council in Ipswich isn't it? Maybe labour needs to use their model for the rest of the country. |  | | |
| Sunak: "I’m not detecting any massive groundswell of movement towards on 08:44 - May 6 with 1654 views | DJR |
Interesting to note that in the 1995 local elections (two years before Blair's landslide), Labour got 48% of the vote compared to the Tories' 25%. This time round Labour got 35% compared to the Tories 26%.
This does not suggest to me that Labour are on track for an overall majority, especially as some traditionally Tory voters often come back to the fold when it comes to a General Election.
Another factor is that in a seat such as that where I live, where the Tories have lost control of the council and there is currently an anti-Tory majority, the Lib Dems and Greens did roughly the same, so it will not be clear which party to vote for to ensure a Tory defeat at the next election. [Post edited 6 May 2023 8:49]
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| Sunak: "I’m not detecting any massive groundswell of movement towards on 09:01 - May 6 with 1623 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| Sunak: "I’m not detecting any massive groundswell of movement towards on 08:44 - May 6 by DJR |
Interesting to note that in the 1995 local elections (two years before Blair's landslide), Labour got 48% of the vote compared to the Tories' 25%. This time round Labour got 35% compared to the Tories 26%.
This does not suggest to me that Labour are on track for an overall majority, especially as some traditionally Tory voters often come back to the fold when it comes to a General Election.
Another factor is that in a seat such as that where I live, where the Tories have lost control of the council and there is currently an anti-Tory majority, the Lib Dems and Greens did roughly the same, so it will not be clear which party to vote for to ensure a Tory defeat at the next election. [Post edited 6 May 2023 8:49]
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Of course there are other factors. No Welsh or Scottish elections this time round (there were in 1997) and the position in Scotland has changed which does not help the Labour vote.
Think you're right at the moment though. Projecting this LE voting onto the next GE looks like Labour largest party but no overall majority - so better than 1992 but not yet 1997. |  |
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| Sunak: "I’m not detecting any massive groundswell of movement towards on 09:18 - May 6 with 1601 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Sunak: "I’m not detecting any massive groundswell of movement towards on 09:01 - May 6 by You_Bloo_Right |
Of course there are other factors. No Welsh or Scottish elections this time round (there were in 1997) and the position in Scotland has changed which does not help the Labour vote.
Think you're right at the moment though. Projecting this LE voting onto the next GE looks like Labour largest party but no overall majority - so better than 1992 but not yet 1997. |
In fairness to Starmer, Blair only had to overcome a Tory majority of 10 in 1997, whereas Starmer has to overturn a majority of 80.
In normal circumstances that would take at least two general elections to overturn a majority if that size. | |
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