| Was Brexit worth it? 11:27 - May 9 with 6752 views | MattinLondon |
I admit that in the past I’ve been quite abusive when describing Brexit. But, this is a genuine question and primarily aimed at people who would still vote for it.
By 2030, Poland could well overtake the UK economy and by 2040, both Bulgaria and Romania could well overtake the UK as well. Brexit and the Brexit deal is responsible for a lot of the economic damage. Was (is) Brexit worth it and if so why?
I’ve attached the bbc link -there are other links but decided to use that one.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-64780112.amp |  | | |  |
| Was Brexit worth it? on 11:42 - May 9 with 3863 views | leitrimblue |
Friends coming over recently from the UK arrive with bags full of cheap duty free tobacco. I consider this a serious Brexit bonus |  | | |
| Was Brexit worth it? on 11:45 - May 9 with 3833 views | keighleyblue |
Don't hold your breath |  | | |
| Was Brexit worth it? on 11:51 - May 9 with 3807 views | MattinLondon |
| Was Brexit worth it? on 11:42 - May 9 by leitrimblue |
Friends coming over recently from the UK arrive with bags full of cheap duty free tobacco. I consider this a serious Brexit bonus |
Thanks for the reply.
More lung cancer, for more people must be a Brexit bonus and worth the economic downturn. | | | |
| Was Brexit worth it? on 11:53 - May 9 with 3798 views | Darth_Koont |
Definitely not worth it. Even for the anti-immigration lot who have now seen non-EU migrants push net migration to record levels.
But it’s important to note that our economy was stuttering even before Brexit. Productivity has been low for years and countries like Slovakia are already performing as well as the home nations and regions in terms of GDP. It’s only the London bubble that is performing but that could burst or certainly deflate at any time given how the world is changing. |  |
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| Was Brexit worth it? on 11:54 - May 9 with 3789 views | backinbeige |
The scene: A Greene King owned pub, somewhere in rural Suffolk, the evening of Bank Holiday Monday 8th May 2023. Two men sit haunched over a small round table in the middle of the dimly lit pub. Discarded peanut bags have been folded and propped into empty pint glasses, awaiting collection. The pub has slowly emptied and the bar staff are idly polishing glasses behind the bar.
1. No one has ever posted a thread with a billion angry replies on TWTD, it's just not possible.
2. That's because no one has found the perfect topic yet.
1. A billion?! No chance. There is no perfect topic, it doesn't exist. You're asking for a topic that everyone has an opinion on, makes everyone all types of furious, and everyone will be drawn into the argument no matter how ridiculous. That's too much. There can't possibly be a topic like that.
2. Of course there is.
1. Well there certainly isn't on Monday night, you'd need to post it just before the lunch hour on the first working day of the week, when everyone is suitably bored and looking for a distraction.
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| Was Brexit worth it? on 12:06 - May 9 with 3716 views | leitrimblue |
| Was Brexit worth it? on 11:51 - May 9 by MattinLondon |
Thanks for the reply.
More lung cancer, for more people must be a Brexit bonus and worth the economic downturn. |
I didn't say it was worth the economic downturn. But i can't deny cheap fags are always a bonus. I've recently taken to inviting friends over every couple of months, just as my cheap fag supply is getting low.( they also bring pork pie and scotch eggs) I selfishly consider this a serious Brexit bonus | | | |
| Was Brexit worth it? on 12:08 - May 9 with 3716 views | chicoazul |
Isn’t the real question, if we end up with a diminished economy in return for being (sort of) independent of the EU will it have been worth it? Which begs another question, is the economy how we should measure these things? Because for me a diminished economy is probably worth it. Although as Koont rightly says these problems are ongoing anyway. |  |
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| Was Brexit worth it? on 12:20 - May 9 with 3647 views | Texaco73 |
It's eaten the Tory party, and shaken Labour so that may be a bonus if it means the end of FPTP and two party politics.
If we transition to a new democractic process with Proportional Representation, coalition governments, cleaned up politics, HoL (second house) reform and then ultmately rejoining the single market, then it could be considered worth it. |  | | |
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| Was Brexit worth it? on 12:29 - May 9 with 3600 views | soupytwist |
| Was Brexit worth it? on 12:20 - May 9 by Texaco73 |
It's eaten the Tory party, and shaken Labour so that may be a bonus if it means the end of FPTP and two party politics.
If we transition to a new democractic process with Proportional Representation, coalition governments, cleaned up politics, HoL (second house) reform and then ultmately rejoining the single market, then it could be considered worth it. |
None of that was on the side of a bus but if all of those things happen then maybe, just maybe it could be an acceptable price to pay.
I fail to see why Brexit was the only way to bring those things about. |  | | |
| Was Brexit worth it? on 12:33 - May 9 with 3575 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Was Brexit worth it? on 12:20 - May 9 by Texaco73 |
It's eaten the Tory party, and shaken Labour so that may be a bonus if it means the end of FPTP and two party politics.
If we transition to a new democractic process with Proportional Representation, coalition governments, cleaned up politics, HoL (second house) reform and then ultmately rejoining the single market, then it could be considered worth it. |
I can’t see any of that happening. And even if it does, we could have cleaned up our politics without leaving the EU/SM/CU in the first place.
In answer to the OP, no of course it isn’t worth it. It’s just a matter of time of how long it takes everyone to realise it. Life goes on though, just with most of us slightly poorer, having fewer opportunities and fewer rights. The Brexit backers who bet against the UK have done ok out of it though; again, we’re just waiting for everyone to catch on that these people were not acting in our interests, but purely their own. |  |
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| Was Brexit worth it? on 12:33 - May 9 with 3565 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
Worth noting that in the full report - by the same measurements and assumptions, Poland will also be wealthier (gdp per capita) than France and Italy. It’s also symbolic of the sluggish growth in Western Europe in general.
Not a defence of Brexit which has clearly hastened this stat (which some years ago projected Poland and the Eastern Bloc would take until 2040 to match Western Europe. |  | | |
| Was Brexit worth it? on 12:33 - May 9 with 3574 views | Vaughan8 |
Let's be honest, most people voted to leave for the £350million a week to the NHS......and "to stop immigration".
Neither has worked on thos fronts | | | |
| Was Brexit worth it? on 12:36 - May 9 with 3553 views | wkj |
Brexit has left us in a mess of the likes we'd not be in had we stayed in the EU, however - a lot of that isn't so much down to the referendum result as the fact the post Brexit arrangements were just awful. I never liked Theresa May's deal, but it seems like a masterclass verses the plate of dog s**t that Boris spaffed on the table.
Of course, Covid could not have been predicted - and some say Russia's invasion into Ukraine too. However, I do think that Russia factored in the UK's exit from into their decision to steal more of Ukraine as they knew the UK would be keen to seen stumping up cash thus really doing many years of damage to the economy. |  |
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| Was Brexit worth it? on 12:43 - May 9 with 3529 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Was Brexit worth it? on 12:36 - May 9 by wkj |
Brexit has left us in a mess of the likes we'd not be in had we stayed in the EU, however - a lot of that isn't so much down to the referendum result as the fact the post Brexit arrangements were just awful. I never liked Theresa May's deal, but it seems like a masterclass verses the plate of dog s**t that Boris spaffed on the table.
Of course, Covid could not have been predicted - and some say Russia's invasion into Ukraine too. However, I do think that Russia factored in the UK's exit from into their decision to steal more of Ukraine as they knew the UK would be keen to seen stumping up cash thus really doing many years of damage to the economy. |
Yes, I think it’s fair to say that the direction of travel would have been depressing whether we’d have had the referendum or not. As you say, there are a lot of external pressures. And 13 years of Tory austerity and their contempt for people meant we were all in for harder times irrespective of leaving. And yes, we needn’t have left in such a self-destructive manner. Again, it all comes back to the warped Tory ideology. | |
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| Was Brexit worth it? on 12:44 - May 9 with 3510 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Was Brexit worth it? on 12:33 - May 9 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Worth noting that in the full report - by the same measurements and assumptions, Poland will also be wealthier (gdp per capita) than France and Italy. It’s also symbolic of the sluggish growth in Western Europe in general.
Not a defence of Brexit which has clearly hastened this stat (which some years ago projected Poland and the Eastern Bloc would take until 2040 to match Western Europe. |
I’d also add that the framing of this report in some of the media as laced with bigotry “Britain to be poorer than Poland”. Poland is not a poor country, and hasn’t been for some time. It should really be framed as a success story (in relation to EU memebership, democracy, and the transition to capitalism).
The growth rates in the eastern bloc and Central Europe have been fantastic, and Czech Republic and Slovenia are already as wealthy as Western Europe (and ahead of some such as Spain). | | | |
| Was Brexit worth it? on 12:47 - May 9 with 3502 views | giant_stow |
The only thing I can think of is a 'maybe' which might come down the line. The Eurozone still as unsolved problems around pooling debts and different needs of different countries within it. One day, that'll either be blown apart in a huge financial crisis with huge transfers of money to the south, or they'll come together in a forced marriage in a US of E. Even as a staunch remainer, I never wanted anything like the latter and although the former would more than touch us, at least we wouldn't be so on the hook. |  |
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| Was Brexit worth it? on 12:50 - May 9 with 3468 views | HARRY10 |
| Was Brexit worth it? on 12:08 - May 9 by chicoazul |
Isn’t the real question, if we end up with a diminished economy in return for being (sort of) independent of the EU will it have been worth it? Which begs another question, is the economy how we should measure these things? Because for me a diminished economy is probably worth it. Although as Koont rightly says these problems are ongoing anyway. |
'Independent of the EU'. Just like a man jumping overboard on a cross Atlantic liner is free of is 'restrictions'.
The UK is still trading under EU schedules, and has only ratified one deal (Japan) which actually left it worse of. So it has become a rule taker with ni say in the making of thise rules.
Aside from the economics, UK citizens have now lost the freedom to live. Work and travel in the EU as they once did. As this works both ways, the UK has lost the cultural benefits of visits by foreign language students (never mind the money). Lost access to the Erasmus scheme. Similarly, the loss to performing artistes cuts both ways.
The so called 'independence' is that if someone banned from all football grounds claiming that he is independent, as he is no local bound by the agreed regulations of each ground.
"The EU is expected to delay introducing fingerprinting and facial recognition checks in Dover amid fears it could mar travel to next year’s summer Olympics in Paris." Not to benefit UK citizens, but because of the Olympics.
And Brexit has also brought the 'freedom' of having your fingerprints taken and being subject to 'facial recognition'. Something not even the lowliest of East Europeans is subject to. Where once goods and people moved freely and quickly, the UK has put up an 'iron curtain' and has now become the new pre 1990 Eastern Europe.
And this is no longer a warning, but a reality. As personal and recorded evidence clearly shows. | | | |
| Was Brexit worth it? on 13:15 - May 9 with 3413 views | BlueBadger |
Foreigners, non-white, LGBTQ people, women and the occasional clean river and beach still exist. So probably not, as far as they're concerned. |  |
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| Was Brexit worth it? on 13:16 - May 9 with 3406 views | BlueBadger |
| Was Brexit worth it? on 11:54 - May 9 by backinbeige |
The scene: A Greene King owned pub, somewhere in rural Suffolk, the evening of Bank Holiday Monday 8th May 2023. Two men sit haunched over a small round table in the middle of the dimly lit pub. Discarded peanut bags have been folded and propped into empty pint glasses, awaiting collection. The pub has slowly emptied and the bar staff are idly polishing glasses behind the bar.
1. No one has ever posted a thread with a billion angry replies on TWTD, it's just not possible.
2. That's because no one has found the perfect topic yet.
1. A billion?! No chance. There is no perfect topic, it doesn't exist. You're asking for a topic that everyone has an opinion on, makes everyone all types of furious, and everyone will be drawn into the argument no matter how ridiculous. That's too much. There can't possibly be a topic like that.
2. Of course there is.
1. Well there certainly isn't on Monday night, you'd need to post it just before the lunch hour on the first working day of the week, when everyone is suitably bored and looking for a distraction.
2. Trust me. I've got this one. |
Should have said 'Mick McCarthy would have managed it far better' to truly guarantee it. | |
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| Was Brexit worth it? on 13:18 - May 9 with 3390 views | BlueBadger |
| Was Brexit worth it? on 12:08 - May 9 by chicoazul |
Isn’t the real question, if we end up with a diminished economy in return for being (sort of) independent of the EU will it have been worth it? Which begs another question, is the economy how we should measure these things? Because for me a diminished economy is probably worth it. Although as Koont rightly says these problems are ongoing anyway. |
'Some of you will die but it's a price I'm willing to pay'. [Post edited 9 May 2023 13:19]
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| Was Brexit worth it? on 13:19 - May 9 with 3379 views | itfc_bucks |
| Was Brexit worth it? on 12:08 - May 9 by chicoazul |
Isn’t the real question, if we end up with a diminished economy in return for being (sort of) independent of the EU will it have been worth it? Which begs another question, is the economy how we should measure these things? Because for me a diminished economy is probably worth it. Although as Koont rightly says these problems are ongoing anyway. |
You've (correctly) listed things that have occurred because of Brexit, but, curiously, failed to mention what these benefits are?
*edit - spelling [Post edited 9 May 2023 13:21]
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| Was Brexit worth it? on 13:23 - May 9 with 3326 views | BlueBadger |
| Was Brexit worth it? on 12:47 - May 9 by giant_stow |
The only thing I can think of is a 'maybe' which might come down the line. The Eurozone still as unsolved problems around pooling debts and different needs of different countries within it. One day, that'll either be blown apart in a huge financial crisis with huge transfers of money to the south, or they'll come together in a forced marriage in a US of E. Even as a staunch remainer, I never wanted anything like the latter and although the former would more than touch us, at least we wouldn't be so on the hook. |
That's always been the Blue Passport gang's ultimate vvank fantasy and never really shown signs of coming to fruition. At some point, the desire to actually have functioning trade relations with the rest of the world will leave the UK subservient to either the US or China or both.
Without any kind of meaningful representation at any level as to rules, regulations, tariffs, etc. | |
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| Was Brexit worth it? on 13:23 - May 9 with 3322 views | MattinLondon |
| Was Brexit worth it? on 12:06 - May 9 by leitrimblue |
I didn't say it was worth the economic downturn. But i can't deny cheap fags are always a bonus. I've recently taken to inviting friends over every couple of months, just as my cheap fag supply is getting low.( they also bring pork pie and scotch eggs) I selfishly consider this a serious Brexit bonus |
Apologies if I sounded sarcastic.
I can see how you could see that as a benefit of Brexit. | | | |
| Was Brexit worth it? on 13:28 - May 9 with 3261 views | HARRY10 |
| Was Brexit worth it? on 12:47 - May 9 by giant_stow |
The only thing I can think of is a 'maybe' which might come down the line. The Eurozone still as unsolved problems around pooling debts and different needs of different countries within it. One day, that'll either be blown apart in a huge financial crisis with huge transfers of money to the south, or they'll come together in a forced marriage in a US of E. Even as a staunch remainer, I never wanted anything like the latter and although the former would more than touch us, at least we wouldn't be so on the hook. |
The scenario you claim has been floating about for a good while, yet will not happen. It is nothing more than a scare story put out by brexiters that have little else to say. Remember all the guff pre the referendim what forecast the imminent break up of the EU ?
I am very surprised that someone claiming to be a Remainer should post up this stuff.
Maybe Tiwn should not accept promotion as there is a possibility that getting near to the PL may cause everyone's head to explode. | | | |
| Was Brexit worth it? on 13:29 - May 9 with 3259 views | longtimefan |
| Was Brexit worth it? on 12:50 - May 9 by HARRY10 |
'Independent of the EU'. Just like a man jumping overboard on a cross Atlantic liner is free of is 'restrictions'.
The UK is still trading under EU schedules, and has only ratified one deal (Japan) which actually left it worse of. So it has become a rule taker with ni say in the making of thise rules.
Aside from the economics, UK citizens have now lost the freedom to live. Work and travel in the EU as they once did. As this works both ways, the UK has lost the cultural benefits of visits by foreign language students (never mind the money). Lost access to the Erasmus scheme. Similarly, the loss to performing artistes cuts both ways.
The so called 'independence' is that if someone banned from all football grounds claiming that he is independent, as he is no local bound by the agreed regulations of each ground.
"The EU is expected to delay introducing fingerprinting and facial recognition checks in Dover amid fears it could mar travel to next year’s summer Olympics in Paris." Not to benefit UK citizens, but because of the Olympics.
And Brexit has also brought the 'freedom' of having your fingerprints taken and being subject to 'facial recognition'. Something not even the lowliest of East Europeans is subject to. Where once goods and people moved freely and quickly, the UK has put up an 'iron curtain' and has now become the new pre 1990 Eastern Europe.
And this is no longer a warning, but a reality. As personal and recorded evidence clearly shows. |
"Aside from the economics, UK citizens have now lost the freedom to live. "
I knew Brexit was bad but didn't realize it was that bad  | | | |
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