| Squad as it stands 10:05 - May 18 with 10049 views | itfcjoe |
GK (3) - Walton, Hladky, Hayes
RB (2) - Clarke, Donacien
LB (2) - Davis, Leigh
CB (4) - Woolfenden, Burgess, Edmundson, Ndaba, Baggott*
CM (6) - Morsy, Evans, Ball, Camara, El Mizouni, Harper, Humphreys*
W/AM (6) - Burns, Chaplin, Harness, Jackson, Edwards, Broadhead
ST (4) - Ladapo, Ahadme, Pigott, Yengi
That makes us at 27 - which is the squad limit, plus 2 youngsters in Baggott and Humphreys
It doesn't include any of the out of contract players, most notably Luongo
So we really are in a 1 in, 1 out position....because I think we can safely say Harper and Pigott will play no part for us next season
Likely that all of Ndaba, Ahadme, Yengi and El Miz fall into that category too.
But does feel we will be right up against that 25 man limit - even if those 4 don't play, we will need to lose a couple more out as well
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| Squad as it stands on 12:06 - May 18 with 2613 views | DanTheMan |
GK (3) - Walton, Hladky, Hayes
RB (2) - Clarke, Donacien
LB (2) - Davis, Leigh
CB (4) - Woolfenden, Burgess, Edmundson, Ndaba, Baggott*
CM (6) - Morsy, Evans, Ball, Camara, El Mizouni, Harper, Humphreys*
W/AM (6) - Burns, Chaplin, Harness, Jackson, Edwards, Broadhead
ST (4) - Ladapo, Ahadme, Pigott, Yengi
So from that.
GK - Maybe leave as is, depends if we could get money for Hladky and replace with cheap backup.
RB - Fine. Donacien I guess could go but he's so versatile and he won't be first choice. Unless we could find a direct upgrade probably leave this.
LB - Fine. Davis is brill and Leigh is pretty decent.
CB - I'd replace Edmundson, loan out Ndaba and Baggott.
CM - Morsy and Ball I'd keep, and I'd sign up Luongo. Toss up between Evans and Camara. I imagine we'll want to keep Camara and sell Evans potentially. Sell Harper as well, El Miz on loan and maybe loan out Humphreys? Unless we need the backup. I'd have thought we want to end up with 4 here.
W/AM - Replace Jackson and Edwards and maybe Harness. I just don't think any of those 3 are going to cut it but that said we also can't really accommodate another 3 here unless we bring some young players in who are going to be happier with bench sitting.
ST - Out of that list sell Ahadme and Pigott for sure. I could see Ladapo going. I have no idea on Yengi, another loan potentially? [Post edited 18 May 2023 12:08]
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| Squad as it stands on 12:06 - May 18 with 2612 views | Illinoisblue |
| Squad as it stands on 11:18 - May 18 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
That squad is going to need serious serious upgrades to be competing for the top half imo.
Rak Sakyi would be a great start. |
Is there any indication Palace want to loan or sell Rak Sakyi? |  |
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| Squad as it stands on 12:07 - May 18 with 2605 views | Horsham |
| Squad as it stands on 11:34 - May 18 by Horsham |
Yeah, that looks fairly probable, maybe Luongo as the 25th player though.
Poss names:
Cashin
Taylor
Twine
Rak-Saki
TJJ
Hirst
Luongo as the 25th
All previous links apart from Cashin. |
Actually a brief moment of reflection on this, I wonder if because KM likes to rotate all his forwards in game that we’ll possibly go a little light in the 25 man squad on keepers, defenders and midfielders and go longer on forwards as it seems pretty key to the overall plan the forwards do a lot of running and that means we may need lots of them (essentially 8 in every match day squad). |  | | |
| Squad as it stands on 12:14 - May 18 with 2571 views | RobTheMonk |
I could see the following going:
Hladky - He should be playing League 1 first team.
Ndaba - Upgrade
Baggott on loan
Camara on loan
El Miz to Orient either perm or loan
Harper - Upgrade
Humphreys on loan although he might stay as has been in and around the first team.
Harness - I think he lacks that extra quality for the Champ.
Jackson - Feel he needs to be a regular in a league 1 team. He is useful to bring on as he’s rapid though.
Edwards - Looks to have all the pieces but not quite put together yet. I think he might stay as he’s quite a unique player for us, but I think we could get someone more consistent.
Ahadme perm or loan back to Burton again
Pigott to anyone that’ll have him
Yengi - Upgrade
I don’t think we’ll see all of the above, but I do think we have quite a bit of space for in and outs. |  | | |
| Squad as it stands on 12:14 - May 18 with 2570 views | hype313 |
| Squad as it stands on 12:06 - May 18 by DanTheMan |
GK (3) - Walton, Hladky, Hayes
RB (2) - Clarke, Donacien
LB (2) - Davis, Leigh
CB (4) - Woolfenden, Burgess, Edmundson, Ndaba, Baggott*
CM (6) - Morsy, Evans, Ball, Camara, El Mizouni, Harper, Humphreys*
W/AM (6) - Burns, Chaplin, Harness, Jackson, Edwards, Broadhead
ST (4) - Ladapo, Ahadme, Pigott, Yengi
So from that.
GK - Maybe leave as is, depends if we could get money for Hladky and replace with cheap backup.
RB - Fine. Donacien I guess could go but he's so versatile and he won't be first choice. Unless we could find a direct upgrade probably leave this.
LB - Fine. Davis is brill and Leigh is pretty decent.
CB - I'd replace Edmundson, loan out Ndaba and Baggott.
CM - Morsy and Ball I'd keep, and I'd sign up Luongo. Toss up between Evans and Camara. I imagine we'll want to keep Camara and sell Evans potentially. Sell Harper as well, El Miz on loan and maybe loan out Humphreys? Unless we need the backup. I'd have thought we want to end up with 4 here.
W/AM - Replace Jackson and Edwards and maybe Harness. I just don't think any of those 3 are going to cut it but that said we also can't really accommodate another 3 here unless we bring some young players in who are going to be happier with bench sitting.
ST - Out of that list sell Ahadme and Pigott for sure. I could see Ladapo going. I have no idea on Yengi, another loan potentially? [Post edited 18 May 2023 12:08]
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On the Keeper front, a cheap back up means the standard between Walton, the back up and the kid from NZ is miles apart, you want someone as back up who can keep Walton on his toes, excuse the pun! |  |
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| Squad as it stands on 12:21 - May 18 with 2545 views | DanTheMan |
| Squad as it stands on 12:14 - May 18 by hype313 |
On the Keeper front, a cheap back up means the standard between Walton, the back up and the kid from NZ is miles apart, you want someone as back up who can keep Walton on his toes, excuse the pun! |
Fair point, although I can't imagine we're going to want to spend much money on someone to compete with Walton when we've got so many other areas that will need reinforcing. | |
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| Squad as it stands on 12:33 - May 18 with 2511 views | hype313 |
| Squad as it stands on 12:21 - May 18 by DanTheMan |
Fair point, although I can't imagine we're going to want to spend much money on someone to compete with Walton when we've got so many other areas that will need reinforcing. |
If Hladky goes, which would be fair enough from his point of view, maybe Bart might be an option? Still lives in Martlesham and is playing second fiddle at Millwall | |
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| Squad as it stands on 12:38 - May 18 with 2491 views | LankHenners |
GK - fine (unless Hladky's determined to play somewhere as a starter)
RB - fine
LB - fine
CB - the young ones out on loan again, maybe Ndaba permanently if there's interest, get another senior head in
CM - El Miz to go (hopefully just a loan but can see it being perm), Harper to go, if we can find a buyer for Evans he'll probably go and we'll splash a bit of cash on Taylor or A.N. Other
W/AM - if there's a buyer for Jackson he'll likely be moved on, a position that's ripe for a high quality Prem loan for me or if we can get a permanent signing in place even better
ST - Ahadme and Yengi out on loan (although could end up in a Tyreece Simpson situation if the latter excels in, say, League 2, not that I'm expecting it), Pigott moved on by hook or crook, get the chequebook out on a first choice striker, TJJ or similar for another option
So:
GK - Walton, Hldaky, Hayes
RB - Clarke, JD
LB - Davis, Leigh
CB - Woolfenden, Burgess, Fridge, NEW CB
CM - Morsy, Ball, Camara, Humphreys, NEW CM
W/AM - Burns, Chaplin, Harness, Edwards, Broadhead, NEW AM/RW
ST - Ladapo, NEW ST, TJJ or alternative
Obviously means no Luongo which would be unthinkable to some but if we get a younger more durable version of him with a higher ceiling (which Taylor is more or less), then as a club looking to move forwards and make ruthless decisions then that's one you do.
Could be a couple more in and out from that list if we can find someone to sell to and think we can upgrade (thinking likes of Ladapo and Harness fall into that category).
Still means we keep the core of the team and upgrade the back-up essentially, which means either genuine competition in places or the new signing becomes king and players we've been used to seeing regularly drop down the pecking order slightly. |  |
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| Squad as it stands on 12:46 - May 18 with 2470 views | DanTheMan |
| Squad as it stands on 12:33 - May 18 by hype313 |
If Hladky goes, which would be fair enough from his point of view, maybe Bart might be an option? Still lives in Martlesham and is playing second fiddle at Millwall |
That'd be great, especially just to see Machs reaction. | |
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| Squad as it stands on 13:10 - May 18 with 2411 views | jayessess |
Would assume that any decisions we've made on Ndaba, Baggott, El Mizouni, Humphreys, Ahadme and Yengi will be provisional, pending pre-season performance?
Last Summer, we looked to see where fringe players were at before we definitively made the decision to move them on. Even the likes of Penney, Pigott and Harper didn't disappear until quite late in the Window. |  |
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| Squad as it stands on 13:10 - May 18 with 2411 views | gtsb1966 |
I don't think Burgess or Evans will be here next season. |  | | |
| Squad as it stands on 13:18 - May 18 with 2386 views | DanTheMan |
| Squad as it stands on 13:10 - May 18 by gtsb1966 |
I don't think Burgess or Evans will be here next season. |
I can understand Evans, but why do you think we'd sell Burgess as opposed to Edmundson? | |
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| Squad as it stands on 13:25 - May 18 with 2371 views | xrayspecs |
| Squad as it stands on 13:10 - May 18 by jayessess |
Would assume that any decisions we've made on Ndaba, Baggott, El Mizouni, Humphreys, Ahadme and Yengi will be provisional, pending pre-season performance?
Last Summer, we looked to see where fringe players were at before we definitively made the decision to move them on. Even the likes of Penney, Pigott and Harper didn't disappear until quite late in the Window. |
I suspect some of the decisions are not going to changed.
Nbada and Baggott were not getting regular game time in L1, nor Yengi in League 2, so they are not going to be in the squad. You would also expect El Miz to need some L1 experience before playing in the Champ.
Ahadme has scored 7 in 38 in L1, is that enough to get a chance in first team squad? Maybe look at him pre-season? Incidentally, I had not realised that Gassan started his senior career at Norwich.
I also suspect that Humphreys will go on loan. |  | | |
| Squad as it stands on 13:25 - May 18 with 2371 views | Asa |
I could see it being something like
GK (3) - Walton, Hladky, NEW GK (Veteran backup)
RB (2) - Clarke, Donacien
LB (2) - Davis, Leigh
CB (4) - Woolfenden, Burgess, NEW LCB, NEW RCB,
CM (6) - Morsy, Ball, Camara, Humphreys, NEW CM, NEW CM (Luongo)
W/AM (6) - Burns, Chaplin, Jackson, Edwards, Broadhead, NEW W, NEW AM
ST (4) - Ladapo, NEW CF
Would not be surprised if we lost Harness, Evans, Edmundson and brought in 7-8 that were seen as upgrades on what we have right now on the basis that the best players will win out.
Normally you'd be against ripping up a promoted squad and the camaraderie, but we brought in 4 in January and yet again got the right talent and characters, so cannot see why we wouldn't have a big list of those likely to fit the bill this time around.
Someone posted something about a combined Town and Norwich XI which I thought was interesting as I got as far as Walton, Davis, Morsy, Luongo (possibly), Chaplin (possibly) and Broadhead at best. That's half our best players improving a squad that finished mid-table.
If we want to go up again in the next year or two, and that will be the ambition, I expect we will be utterly ruthless again and end up with 18 that sees our current 11 as potentially the weakest of that new 18, in the same way Donacien, Harness, Humphries (different I know) were effectly upgraded 4 months ago despite us being right in the mix. | | | |
| Squad as it stands on 13:30 - May 18 with 2347 views | Herbivore |
| Squad as it stands on 11:27 - May 18 by ArnieM |
My tuppence worth is we will need stronger CB’s, and a proven number 9 at Championship level. It’s a step higher and what we managed very well in League One might not be as effective in the Championship. We know the squad is being constantly developed with the next level (PL) in mind.
Current Players we have that I think that will be comfortable in the championship:
Walton
Clarke
Davis
Burgess
Morsy
Luongo
Humphreys
Edwards
Chaplin
Burns
Broadhead
Players who might struggle.
Woolfie
Luongo
KVY
Jackson
Edmundson
Leigh
Evans
Donacian
Loan out:
Baggott
Ndaba
Try and sign
Hirst
John -Jules
Sell:
Pigott
Ahadme
Harper
El Mizouni
Hladky
Penney
Ball |
Lumping Woolfie in with the 'might struggle' fringe players is madness. We had the best defence in the league last season and he was more or less ever present in that defence and looked different class over the last 15 games in particular. |  |
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| Squad as it stands on 13:32 - May 18 with 2327 views | RobTheMonk |
| Squad as it stands on 13:10 - May 18 by gtsb1966 |
I don't think Burgess or Evans will be here next season. |
Burgess, our best defender in that crazy run we went on… | | | |
| Squad as it stands on 13:39 - May 18 with 2292 views | jayessess |
| Squad as it stands on 13:25 - May 18 by xrayspecs |
I suspect some of the decisions are not going to changed.
Nbada and Baggott were not getting regular game time in L1, nor Yengi in League 2, so they are not going to be in the squad. You would also expect El Miz to need some L1 experience before playing in the Champ.
Ahadme has scored 7 in 38 in L1, is that enough to get a chance in first team squad? Maybe look at him pre-season? Incidentally, I had not realised that Gassan started his senior career at Norwich.
I also suspect that Humphreys will go on loan. |
Our track record on loan spells is extremely haphazard and not always the best reflection of the player (Ahadme, Ndaba and Baggott all had injury interruptions I believe), I don't think I'd rule out some of these lads coming back strong in July/August and changing some minds.
Baggott (20) and Humphreys (19) are both at the kind of age where you see players kick on to a whole other level, sometimes over quite a short period of time. El Mizouni's just had his first consistent run of men's football, every chance he comes back at a higher level than we expected him to. [Post edited 18 May 2023 13:43]
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| Squad as it stands on 13:51 - May 18 with 2263 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Squad as it stands on 12:06 - May 18 by Illinoisblue |
Is there any indication Palace want to loan or sell Rak Sakyi? |
Would be a loan.
There were talks of him going back to Palace and playing but seeing as though it looks like Zaha may be signing a new deal there I imagine they will want him to playing regular championship football the same way they did with Ebiowei. |  |
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| Squad as it stands on 14:07 - May 18 with 2208 views | BlueBoots |
| Squad as it stands on 10:50 - May 18 by Dubtractor |
That we signed 4 players I'm January, from a strong starting position, should make your last point clear really.
There will be some coming and going without any doubt. |
Starting position in January was injury hit rather than strong; Clarke and Broadhead were both young, high quality upgrades (with a high ceiling) to what we had, Hirst was already a target the previous summer and with TJJ out were operating with just Ladapo as a recognised No.9, and if Evans and Ball were both fit, you'd wonder if we'd have decided to look at Luongo.
I can't see us making wholesale changes - if we continue with the policy of identifying targets like Davis, Clarke and Broadhead (and falling back on the odd loan like TJJ and Hirst that gives us qualities that we're unable to sign permanently at that time), I'll be more than happy - see the squad evolve rather than being ripped up. |  |
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| Squad as it stands on 14:13 - May 18 with 2179 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Squad as it stands on 13:30 - May 18 by Herbivore |
Lumping Woolfie in with the 'might struggle' fringe players is madness. We had the best defence in the league last season and he was more or less ever present in that defence and looked different class over the last 15 games in particular. |
Watching Luton the other night.. if thats the sort of pressing our backline are going to get, we need 100% on it wolfy and not the laidback version which he's been known for. |  |
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| Squad as it stands on 14:46 - May 18 with 2131 views | jayessess |
My prediction, as it stands.
We'll look to upgrade the first team, then see who is surplus to requirements once we've done that, rather than signing many fringe players.
I think we'll make 5 signings:
An experienced centre back capable of playing on the left side of defence.
A centre midfielder who's athletic, capable of driving forward with the ball, is a threat running into the box.
A right-winger who can job share with Wes Burns 60/30
A centre forward in George Hirst's mould.
An inside-forward/shadow striker who can job share with Nathan Broadhead 60/30 and be an alternative to the other 2 strikers.
Ndaba, Baggott and Ahadme will get further loans. Harper, Pigott and Yengi will move on permanently.
Hladky will stay on as Number 2. El Mizouni will be so good in pre-season that he'll force his way into the first team squad. Humphreys will be kept around too.
Once we've done all that, we'll have 26 seniors - 3 GKs, 4 full backs, 4 centre backs, 6 centre midfielders, 6 attacking midfielders, 3 forwards - and we'll look to get rid of 1 out of Harness, Jackson and Edwards. | |
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| Squad as it stands on 15:04 - May 18 with 2089 views | Vegtablue |
| Squad as it stands on 10:22 - May 18 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Is there a chance we’d have to buy Pigott out of his contract? Assuming he’s as well paid as people say then we’d be reliant on him agreeing a pay cut to move elsewhere.
I’d be very surprised if Harness isn’t moved on, an area we definitely need an upgrade so that we have some quality cover for Chaplin and Broadhead. Windass looks likely to leave Sheff Weds if (when) they don’t go up. Twine will probably be available- can’t see him getting games for Burnley in the Prem. |
Think we would choose to offload a portion of his wages via a loan move again rather than buy him out of his contract.
Harness moving would be a strong statement of intent indeed, considering we brought him in for £600-900K last summer. | | | |
| Squad as it stands on 15:09 - May 18 with 2070 views | xrayspecs |
| Squad as it stands on 13:39 - May 18 by jayessess |
Our track record on loan spells is extremely haphazard and not always the best reflection of the player (Ahadme, Ndaba and Baggott all had injury interruptions I believe), I don't think I'd rule out some of these lads coming back strong in July/August and changing some minds.
Baggott (20) and Humphreys (19) are both at the kind of age where you see players kick on to a whole other level, sometimes over quite a short period of time. El Mizouni's just had his first consistent run of men's football, every chance he comes back at a higher level than we expected him to. [Post edited 18 May 2023 13:43]
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I see where you are coming from but still think appearances and experience are important. A part of this thread has been questioning which of our established senior L1 players can step up, so it is going to be a lot harder for those with no or limited L1 experience to force their way into the squad.
It does not help that all bar Baggott and Humphreys would be taking up a senior slot in the squad. | | | |
| Squad as it stands on 15:15 - May 18 with 2049 views | ScotBlue |
Might have missed it and living up here in Scotland completely plausible, but not seen KVY mentioned in the "Squad". Is he out of contract this year. For my thoughts I would think he will be moved on anyway. I'm not sure we will see a massive turnover of players. This squad is easily good enough to hold their own in the Championship. If the right option comes available realistically anywhere that upgrades the current incumbent and has the value of their "asset" increasing then I can see us going for them, in the same way as Clarke and Broadhead being bought in during Jan. I think the Jan window may be more interesting as we will be able to gauge where we are and it may be the case as with this year that the powers that be go all in if there is a possibility of getting into the promotion battle. | | | |
| Squad as it stands on 15:18 - May 18 with 2031 views | jayessess |
| Squad as it stands on 15:04 - May 18 by Vegtablue |
Think we would choose to offload a portion of his wages via a loan move again rather than buy him out of his contract.
Harness moving would be a strong statement of intent indeed, considering we brought him in for £600-900K last summer. |
I keep seeing the phrase "I'd be very surprised if we kept..." used in connection with players we have still under contract. It's very puzzling to me. Any under contract player that contributed to this season is probably likelier than not to still be here when the Window closes.
There's some where there's a possibility, even a strong possibility, that they'll be surplus to requirements. But I don't think there's anyone who would be a big surprise if they're still in the squad. Why would anyone be surprised to see Marcus Harness still here, when we paid a big fee for him, gave him a 4-year contract less than a year ago, then picked him in every matchday squad he was available for? | |
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